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This is my first post to HHR.net.

I have an 07 and was looking for a better tire than the stock Firestones. Since I have Goodyear on other cars (Vettes and a Camaro) I decided to look for something from Goodyear.

Back in July, Goodyear introduced, a new, ultra-performance tire called the "Eagle F1 All Season". Its debut marks the first time the Akron-based company has had an all-season product in its F1, ultra-performance line. The first 22 sizes were released in July and another 16 sizes are coming in a staggered release, in Q4, 2007. These 38 sizes fit a large number of performance sedans, sports coupes and sports cars including the HHR.

The F1 All Season is the debut of carbon fiber technology in an ultra-performance application. In this new tire, carbon fiber reinforcements in the sidewalls which stiffen the tire to improve steering response and handing. This tire also brings DuPont Kevlar into ultra-performance tires after Goodyear introduced it in the Eagle "ResponsEdge" performance touring tire in 2006. In the F1 AS, a layer of Kevlar just below the tread, makes the tire's structure more rigid.

During a preview event last May at Daytona International Speedway, I spoke to to Bob Toth, Goodyear's Marketing Manager for Auto Tires, “Our Eagle F1 line has always been synonymous with great dry traction," Toth told me. Precise control and crisp steering response," Bob told the CAC. "Our award-winning F1 GS-D3 brought those attributes to wet roads. The Eagle F1 All Season extends that envelope by offering traction on dry, wet and snow-covered roads. These new, Eagle 'Carbonfibers' enable enthusiasts in places which experience occasional subfreezing weather to drive their performance cars all year long, if they choose."


Using the "tread zone" idea Goodyear pioneered in its "Assurance Triple-Tred", an F1 AS has a directional, "dual-zone" tread. For wet traction, there is the "All Season Zone" which combines: 1) famed "Aquachutes", which channel water from under the tread and away, 2) "micro grooves" each of which has a "biting edge" to enhance traction on snow or ice, and 3) a silica tread compound unique to this tire and designed for improved traction in subfreezing conditions. The All Season Zone enhances traction on snow and ice to the point that this tire is what some might call a "soft" all-season tire. It's certainly not for frequent and regular use in deep snow and heavy ice conditions but, if you drive your HHR or other performance car in a place where, in the winter, you might start home from work and get caught in a modest snow fall or find the roads a little icy from a sudden temperature drop; this tire will help you get there...and get there in a more safe manner than will other performance tires.

The Eagle F1 AS's dry traction is comparable to competing products and builds on the F1 brand's reputation for tires that stick. It does this with its "Ultra High-Performance Zone", consisting of aggressive, shoulder blocks and a stiff, continuous, center rib. Additionally, the adjacent, All Season Zone has Goodyear's "TredLock Technology," which is a system of interlocking micro-grooves which lock together when the tire is generating significant lateral acceleration. This locking stiffens the tread and improves traction in turns. All this tread technology, coupled with carbon fiber in the sidewalls and Kevlar under the tread, makes for a noticeable improvement in steering response.


Two of this new Goodyear's competitors are the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S and the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position. The executive summary of test data Goodyear supplied is that the Eagle F1 All Season is comparable to both in dry traction, has better lateral grip and much better acceleration and braking performance in the wet. At Daytona back in May, I had a chance to test those three tires against each other. While an HHR was not available at Daytona for me to test with, I did get some seat-time in a couple of rear-drive, performance coupes, a Mazda RX-8 and an Infiniti G35, along with a Pontiac Solstice. In an autocross and on a short road race course in the wet—and this was a rainstorm, not on a watered-down course—I found the new Goodyear had better steering response and lateral grip than both the Bridgestone and the Michelin, and the improvement over the Pilot Sport A/S was significant.


Wanting a more lengthy test period in which to try this tire in a street driving environment, I decided to put a set of F1 AS tires on an '07 HHR I had just purchased. It was ordered with most of the performance options one can get without ordering, other than the SS package, which was not available when I bought the truck. My HHR has the handling suspension, 17" tires on aluminum wheels, five-speed manual and the 2.4L 175-hp engine.


I took the HHR to Goodyear dealer, Tucker Tire Service Company in Covina, California and had them replace its Firestone Firehawk GT03s with Eagle F1 All Seasons. I had just come off a 2700 mile trip from Tom Henry Chevrolet in Pennsylvania, where I bought the truck, to California, so I had a lot of highway driving experience with the HHR. It only took about five miles on nearby Interstate 210 for me to perceive one feature of the Goodyear: a noticeable improvement in on-center steering feel. With the Firestones, the car's tracking felt vague and constant, small steering inputs were required to correct the car's path during highway driving. After changing to the Goodyear, on-center feel improved modestly and the car's straight-line tracking improved greatly. The main reason for the difference in tracking is the F1 All Season tread's stiff, continuous center rib, which the Firestone lacks.


As far as noise and harshness, this new Goodyear is a mixed bag. It makes noticeably less tread noise compared to the Firestone Firehawk GT 03, but there was a slight increase in ride harshness which I'd characterize as noticeable, but not uncomfortable or annoying. The noise decrease comes from the F1 AS's variable-pitch tread elements. The harshness increase is a function of the two tires' different speed ratings. The Goodyear is Y-speed-rated, whereas the Firestone's is T-speed-rated. To earn a higher speed rating requires a stiffer casing, which affects harshness.


Next, I tried pushing the HHR hard on curvy roads. This subjective test was a bit different than the one at Daytona as it was done on dry surfaces. I noticed that, when on Goodyears, lateral grip was greater and the steering response was quite a bit better. The differences are because of the F1 AS's more aggressive tread, more performance-oriented rubber compound, stiffer Kevlar- and carbon fiber-reinforced casing and tread blocks which are larger. On the other hand, these differences were a bit exaggerated because the Goodyear, in-spite of being the same size as the Firestone (215/50ZR17) had a wider tread and the higher speed rating. Had the Firestone had the same tread width and speed rating, the difference would have been noticeable, but not as dramatic.


The last issue which came up in my subjective comparison of the Firestone Firehawk GT03 to the Goodyear Eagle F1 All Season was appearance. The HHR was less than a month old when I noticed the Firestones' sidewalls turning an ugly, reddish-brown. This happens to all tires to varying degree and is caused by atmospheric conditions acting on chemical components which make-up the rubber used in the sidewalls. In extreme cases, the results are unattractive, as shown in the picture of the Firestone taken about a month after the HHR was purchased. Since the Goodyears were acquired—at this writing, three months ago—there has been no color change. The reason the Goodyear Eagle F1 AS does not exhibit color change due to atmospheric effects is a chemical additive used in making it and a few of Goodyear's other, newest tire types. Called "PermaBlack", it's a proprietary material which preserves that “new-tire” appearance. All tire manufacturers use varying amounts of anti-ozonants and anti-oxidants to inhibit weathering and aging, however, those protective measures are focused on preserving the mechanical properties of the tire not its appearance. As the anti-ozonant and anti-oxidants begin to work, or "bloom" as tire engineers say, they cause the surface of the sidewalls to turn reddish-brown. The addition of PermaBlack stops the color change but still allows the anti-ozonants and anti-oxidants to work.

The bottom line on this new tire, so far: In two subjective tests, one in the wet, the other in the dry and one comparing the Michelin Pilot and the Bridgestone Potenza to the Goodyear F1 All Season and the other, on my HHR, comparing the Firestone Firehawk to the new Goodyear, the Eagle F1 AS demonstrated noticeable advantages in dry and wet traction, wet acceleration and braking, dry and wet steering response, on-center steering feel and tread noise. Lastly, the Goodyear's sidewalls do not discolor.


I think, with the new, Eagle F1 All Season, Goodyear has a winner, especially for owners of cars like Cadillac CTSes, Infiniti G35s, Pontiac Solstices and, of course...Chevy HHRs.

Boy, does that sound like a sales pitch.....:lol:

I was thinking about getting goodyear tires because i go by one of there plants and they have a small park, gardens, and soccer fields for the community:thumb: btw welcome

Sorry, my mind is set on BF Goodrich Traction T/As, and I'll be willing to bet I'm spending a lot less money and getting a 60,000 mile tire. :p:

Boy, does that sound like a sales pitch.....:lol:

Was thinking the same!:lol: If the post had a link included, it would probably have been reported.

BTW Hib........
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JMHO...

This post "stinks" of either a Goodyear employee pimping their stuff or an employee of a Goodyear contracted marketing firm doing the same. :eek:

My $0.02.... There are much better options for tires today than some of the traditional brands. To me, Goodyear and Michelin are much touted and over priced for their value. :(

Bottom line.... Looks like SPAM to me!! :wtf:

^^^ X2 ^^^

The firestone's were tracking those darn rain cruves on the 210....
The thread pattern has way too many grooves in them..

the wider the footprint, less cruves in the tires, the better it tracks..

I like my Yokohama Avid's...

coughspammercough

Don't think I'd call him a spammer, but do a Google for "Hib Halverson".

Lots of folks in Corvette circles love him :lol:

I like the work that went into the comparisons. Kudos there. I've been thinking of either Comfort Tread or Triple treads anyway. I want less noise but reasonable wet and dry handling.
Seems there are more choices all the time for the HHR. This is good!

Boy, does that sound like a sales pitch.....:lol:

As I've been on other forum sites on the I'net going back many years, I'm familiar with the mentality of some on forums and, seems the HHR.net is no different, but...that's one great thing about the Internet: free speech.

I expected some to respond in that manner confronted with a reasonably well-written article on tires.

I don't sell Goodyear tires. I don't work for Goodyear. I don't work for a marketing company.

I do have a lot of cars on Goodyear tires. They've worked well for me over the years. The Firestones that came on my HHR flat sucked and I decided to put the F1 ASes on because I wanted the latest technology in a premium all-season tire (rather than the ultra-performance tires I have on my other cars) and I had purchased the truck about the same time Goodyear introduced these tires to the market.

But, if you think I'm "spamming" freakin' report me.:D

you people have no clue who Hib is!!!! So before you pass judgement, check him out. He has been writing for different mags for years and yes he is a Corvette guy, but most important a "CAR" guy just like you and me, only he has the ability to put his thoughts into articles that many people read and look forward to. This forum should be happy to have him here, he has a wealth of info that he can share if you don't break his stones.
So reread the article and be thankful that there is someone here who is willing to share his knowledge with fellow car enthusiasts like us.
No, I don't know Hib personally, but after reading the many articles he has written over the years, I feel like I've known him a long time.
And for the guys who said "SPAM" you just dont know , do you???

The above post is not meant to be an attack on anyone, so no flames please, it is meant to bring to your attention who Hib is and what he represents in the car world!!!!:D .............................Tom

The Firestones that came on my HHR flat sucked

I think we can just about all agree on that. ;) When I was at the tire shop deciding on a tire the manager asked me what came on the car from the factory. When I told him he gave me a dead serious look and said, "I'm sorry!". I nearly fell on the floor laughing. :lol:

Thanks for the great article Hib...I for one appreciate what you have written. Unfortunately many people do not take the time to google search a username prior to considering a post "SPAM". After reading your initial post, I did just that and I see you have written many articles on a great deal of topics. :thumb:

I for one look forward to reading any future articles you may write. If you have a mailing list where one can get them sent directly to their email, I'd love to be added. Not sure if it's acceptable to post a link to such a thing directly on the board, so if it in fact does exist, please PM me with a link to sign up. :smile:

As I've been on other forum sites on the I'net going back many years, I'm familiar with the mentality of some on forums and, seems the HHR.net is no different, but...that's one great thing about the Internet: free speech.

I expected some to respond in that manner confronted with a reasonably well-written article on tires.

I don't sell Goodyear tires. I don't work for Goodyear. I don't work for a marketing company.

I do have a lot of cars on Goodyear tires. They've worked well for me over the years. The Firestones that came on my HHR flat sucked and I decided to put the F1 ASes on because I wanted the latest technology in a premium all-season tire (rather than the ultra-performance tires I have on my other cars) and I had purchased the truck about the same time Goodyear introduced these tires to the market.

But, if you think I'm "spamming" freakin' report me.:D

Sorry, I don't remember saying "spam" anywhere in my post. I said sales pitch, and I will stick by that.

It doesn't really matter to me, what he posts I think it is a little out of line however to make your first post an "article"

An example of an introduction...
"Hi my name is _____ I am from ______ and recently aquired an HHR. I am in marketing and I am given the opportunity to test various products for the automotive industry. I am known for my work with Corvettes and other Domestic performance vehicles, and some may recognize my name. I look forward to posting some interesting and informative articles about various products I test."

Anything along those lines would have been better than just throwing up an article without any real introduction.

Yea, I'll have to agree with "Primiere" on this one... It was a little funky seeing your first post as a review on one product. I think that is the only thing that lead people to think that it could be marketing, advertising, and so on.

However, your article was, IMO, well-written and put together nicely. :thumb:

Yea, I'll have to agree with "Primiere" on this one... It was a little funky seeing your first post as a review on one product. I think that is the only thing that lead people to think that it could be marketing, advertising, and so on.

However, your article was, IMO, well-written and put together nicely. :thumb:

Well...as you can tell, such opinions don't phase me much. But, also, in this sitch I totally like the idea of you posting your opinions here. Gives you an out for all that anger.
:lol:

If I had it to do over again, considering HHR.net doesn't have a product review section (that I can find), I'd do it the same way. I'm not going to kiss butt to a few controlling individuals who feel forum members can post certain things until they've been a member for a while. I didn't read anything like that in the forums rules before I joined.

Actually, before I posted on the Goodyear F1 AS, I emailed the address in on the "Contact Us" page and asked about product reviews but never got a complete response.

I'm a car guy and my work is cars. I test a lot of products, mainly for Corvettes and Camaros, but some stuff for old Blazers and, now, HHRs. I almost never write articles about products I have not tested on my own vehicles.

Right now, we have the F1 AS tires on the truck, a Z-Industries calibration in the engine controller and Red Line Synthetic lubricants in the powertrain.

What's next on the HHR?

Well, it's driven primarily by my fiance as her daily-D, so we're not going to get too aggressive on mods, but we agree the car needs an exhaust and maybe an intake kit. After we do that, I'll probably take it back to Ron Zimmer (Z-Industries) for more cal work.

My hope is I can take the two-four from 175 to 200-hp but, frankly, knowing what I do about GM Powertrain's products these days, I'm gonn bet there's not going to be 25-hp left on the table for just intake, exhaust and cal changes.

Lastly, any of you guys know where you can get a 180 thermostat' for the 2.4 Ecotec? Also, anyone know the O.E. 'stat value?

:welcome: Hib Halverson

and.....
Please gang.... if anyone feels that there is something incorporate posted (anywhere), hit the report button rather than drag this out in public.

:welcome: Hib and thanks for a well written review.I have been thinking about the Goodyear TripleTred or Michelin HydroEdge for RebelGrey.The stock Firestones are about used up.Sam's Club will order either for me at a good price so my HHR will soon have a new set of good tires either way.The main thing I want is good rain control as we don't get much in the way of snow or ice down here.I am leaning towards the Michelins because they come with a 30 day trial period.I have read that noise can be an issue with both of my possible choices depending on the vehicle they are mounted on.I will certainly post my findings here for all to read.Again,welcome to the forum,HB:smile:

Thanks for the great article Hib...I for one appreciate what you have written. Unfortunately many people do not take the time to google search a username prior to considering a post "SPAM". After reading your initial post, I did just that and I see you have written many articles on a great deal of topics. :thumb:

I for one look forward to reading any future articles you may write. If you have a mailing list where one can get them sent directly to their email, I'd love to be added. Not sure if it's acceptable to post a link to such a thing directly on the board, so if it in fact does exist, please PM me with a link to sign up. :smile:

Thanks courthousedeb.

Ah...BTW...looking at your sig line....I just gotta ask....how do you feel about Smoke drivin' a Toyota next year?

:welcome: Hib and thanks for a well written review.I have been thinking about the Goodyear TripleTred or Michelin HydroEdge for RebelGrey.The stock Firestones are about used up.Sam's Club will order either for me at a good price so my HHR will soon have a new set of good tires either way.The main thing I want is good rain control as we don't get much in the way of snow or ice down here.I am leaning towards the Michelins because they come with a 30 day trial period.I have read that noise can be an issue with both of my possible choices depending on the vehicle they are mounted on.I will certainly post my findings here for all to read.Again,welcome to the forum,HB:smile:

I have experience with the TripleTred but not on an HHR. That tire is more of a broad-market replacement tire (and a good one at that) rather than a high-performance, all-season tire. A few years ago, I did test a set of Assurance TripleTreds on a Toyota Camary against a set of Dunlops. In that comparison the TripleTreds worked quite well. At this point in time I can also say those tires had excellent tread life.

Thanks courthousedeb.

Ah...BTW...looking at your sig line....I just gotta ask....how do you feel about Smoke drivin' a Toyota next year?

Hib...I'm ok with it. It's not about the brand car he drives...it's about the man himself. He could drive a PT Loser and I'd still love him. :lol:

My hope is I can take the two-four from 175 to 200-hp but, frankly, knowing what I do about GM Powertrain's products these days, I'm gonn bet there's not going to be 25-hp left on the table for just intake, exhaust and cal changes.

It is possible, but not with just an intake and exhaust.. Look around in the 2.4 Performance thread for some useful info. :thumb:

BTW... Sorry if I came off as being rude in my last post... Wasn't trying to be ;)

Hib...I'm ok with it. It's not about the brand car he drives...it's about the man himself. He could drive a PT Loser and I'd still love him. :lol:

Well....I just hope JGR isn't making a mistake. So far, other teams haven't had a lot of sucess with the Camry, but then....those other teams aren't Gibbs.

In any event, my intel is that it's a done deal.

I have to say, though, that you cut my finger, I bleed bow-tie red. No doubt Stewart is one of the greats of the modern era of NASCAR, but I'm firmly in the corner of Impala SS drivers...the 24, and Jr.

but I'm firmly in the corner of Impala SS drivers...the 24, and Jr.

I like him already :lol: :lol: :bow: :one:

Welcome aboard Hib this is a great site over all. Some on here you take with a grain of salt.


Alan

My test of the Goodyear Eagle F1 All Season is almost complete.

I installed the tires in the summer of 07. I rotated them about every 10,000 miles which is important on a front drive truck. We ran them between 28psi front/26psi rear and 34 ft/32 rr most of the time. During the test period, so far my Wife and I (mostly her) have driven the truck 22287 miles. Last weekend, I noted the fronts were close to showing the tread wear indicator bars and this weekend I measured their tread depth at 3/32". On the rears I measured 5/32. I figure, if I rotate once more in the near future, we can drive maybe another 5000 miles on the tires.

I've also noticed, now that the treads have worn quite a bit, that tires on the front wear their outside edges more than the inside. That tends to reduce overall tread life and is indicative that the stock alignment specs for an HHR might not be the best choice for optimum tire wear. I think, when I put the next set of tires on, I'll have the front end aligned and make the camber setting a little more negative.

In another couple of months it's going to be time to get new tires. Based on previous experience using them on a Toyota Camry we once owned, along with positive comments I've read here on chevyHHR.net, next we're going to put on a set of Goodyear Assurance TripleTreds. In theory, there should be a performance difference, as the F1 AS is a true performance radial tire, whereas Assurance is a premium, broad-market replacement tire, though it certainly draws on some of the technology in Goodyears ultra-performance tires. In practice there might be very little difference in performance of a street-driven truck and, with the TripleTreds, there might be an increase in treadlife, but I want to find out for sure, hence a test of the Assurance.

As for the Eagle F1 All Season? Well...first, let me say that they were a huge improvement over the stock Firestone Firehawks. When I bought the truck, I was disappointed that GM put such a crappy OE tire on HHRs with the performance handling package with which our truck is equipped.

I rate the F1 AS tire "very good" as far as dry handing and braking. I rate it "excellent" in wet handing and braking. I was not able to test its snow traction but, as it's rated "all season," I suspect it's snow/ice performance is better than most other performance tires, as few of them are all season products, but it's probably not as good as a true snow tire which carries the "winter" rating and the "mountain snowflake" symbol on the sidewall. The F1 AS was very good in appearance and noise.

Would I use them again? I'm not sure yet.

After I try Assurance TripleTreds, if I were to feel that the F1 AS offered a noticeable improvement in handling, I might regret not putting a second set of them on the truck. On the other hand, if the TripleTred comes close in handing, I might not care that much about the small edge I got with the F1 AS.

In any event, once the Goodyear Eagle F1 ASes get to the end of their tread life I'll post to this thread.

First time I have read your welcome to the site post little on the cold-frozen side.I picked up some triple treads in January for a super price with rims they have 12,000 miles on them if he told the truth.

They show no wear at all nice square edges nice to see that you think they maybe a good choice.I will not get them on till I put my HHR back on the road in May.Look forward to your report let me know what you think about traction that was one reason I went with them.I can not get traction off the line with my stock flintstones.

My new 2007 2LT came with very cheap, horrible Firestones. They slipped in a half-inch of snow. Shortly after I took delivery, I installed Michelin Pilot A/S tires and have been very pleased on both Wet and Dry pavement.

I appreciate the tire review Hib. :thumb:

i will need some more soon. they only have 50000 miles on them , still not down to the wear bar. i don't know how many miles they are rated for. i drive in rain , snow whatever with no problems. is the 1st post in this thread the longest post ever???:one:

I actually got to test this tire at Goodyear's proving grounds in San Angelo Texas 6 months before it was released to the public. I put in my order as soon as I got home. I am happy to say I just replaced them Monday and got over 50K on them. I of course had to replace with something less expensive because I am no longer in the tire biz and dont get that huge discount. I purchased the Bridgestone Grid. Seems to be a good tire so far.

As I promised back in Feb, I'm back to follow-up on my test of the Goodyear Eagle F1 AS. I noted today that the very outside of the tread of the left front is corded. The right front is just about there, too, and the others are quite worn, so...this test has reached its conclusion at 28961, almost 29,000 miles and in a little under two and a half years. Bottom line: The Goodyear F1 AS proved to be a great choice for an HHR that sometimes gets driven sportingly but also must perfom well in all types of road conditions.

On the downside, tread life was a little less than I expected, but that was certainly not the tire's fault. The outside edges of the front tires have consistently worn more rapidly than the center or inside...to the point that overall treadlife, even with rotation every 5000-8000 miles, was reduced. All the tires have legal tread on the inside, are either corded or "bald" on the outside and are at or slightly below the tread bar indicators in the center.

The treadlife problem was caused by the stock front end alignment which clearly lacks adequate negative camber. I believe the solution is more negative camber, either -1/4 deg. or -1/2 deg., depending on what the alignment shop tells is the existing camber setting. I'll also guess that, given a more aggressive front camber setting, tread mileage would have been in the mid to high 30,000s rather than 29,000.

As for the tire's performance, the Eagle F1 AS was an excellent choice for an HHR which gets driven hard once in a while but also has to do daily-driver duty in all kinds of weather. It provided outstanding lateral grip on dry surfaces and very good lateral grip and traction in the wet. No doubt this is all due to the F1 AS's unique tread design which was detailed at the beginning of this thread. My one regret is not being able to try the this tire on an icy road to see if it lived-up to it's "all season" rating.

The Goodyear's steering response was quite good and was an incremental improvement over the stock tire. The Goodyears were, also, noticeably quieter than the OE Firestones I took off.

Would I buy the Eagle F1 AS again? Yes! :thumb:...but only after I reset the front end alignment.

What tire am I going to try next?

Well, as much as I like the F1 AS, I'd like to keep offering information to HHR owners here on chevyhhr.net, so in the interest of a good test, I'm going to try a different Goodyear product, the Assurance TripleTred which is not a high-performance tire per se, but rather is a broad market replacement tire which incorporates some of the technology Gooyear uses in performance tires.

I'm going to install TripleTreds in the near future and once I get them on, I'll start a new thread about my reviewing that tire product.

I had triple treads on my Grand Prix and the ride is very harsh but they never wore out even at 50k miles. Traction was great dry and wet was good. Noise was decent too.

the tripletred is an awesome tire, especially on snowy or icy roads. My brother in law has them on his HHR in Maryland. I drove with him on icy roads and they were badass.

Thanks Hib. Been waiting for your conclusions at the end of your test, well, since your first post:smile:
I'm in New England, so the All Season component was a feature I was hoping you would get to cover. Oh well, no worries.You did not get a chance to0 experience them in snow or Ice.
Sounds like a fine tire for wet and dry, so that works in most of the US just fine.
Triple Treads do seem to be one of the few main choices I see people do here, so a review from you on them would be a welcome thread. Thanks for your efforts and keep up the good work!:thumb::thumb:

I'm going to be installing a set of Tripletreds in September. The reviews I've read don't sound too bad and in my visual comparison they look like they will provide the best traction in winter conditions due to the tread design and the amount of sipes.

Does anyone know where I can get the best price on these tires? Currently, I think I'm going to order and have them installed at Walmart. I think the price there is $165 per tire with free shipping to store and free install plus $5 to balance each wheel. I was also looking at Tire Rack which does have a better price but when shipping and mounting is factored in it comes to the same amount as Walmart.

I went ahead and order a set of Goodyear Assurance TripleTreds today. With shipping it comes to $635 or $158.75 per tire which is a pretty good deal (to me at least.) These same tires at a local shop in Canada were quoted at $1100 which included install. With the exchange rate it should be approximately $400 cheaper for me to order them from TireRack and drive down to Montana to pick them up and have them installed.

I'm hoping to also get the $40 mail in rebate but that might be tricky. The rebate says it is only for US residents and specifies that the billing address needs to be a US address. I have a US shipping address but unfortunately my billing address is Canadian. That extra $40 mail in rebate would be really sweet.

[QUOTE=calgaryhhr;409317]a local shop in Canada were quoted at $1100 which included install./QUOTE]

Thats includes free health care when you get your tires check to see where they were made mine are from 07 and they are marked made in Canada.That makes me crazy made in Canada shiped to the U.S. and sell them for less.

[QUOTE=calgaryhhr;409317]a local shop in Canada were quoted at $1100 which included install./QUOTE]

Thats includes free health care when you get your tires check to see where they were made mine are from 07 and they are marked made in Canada.That makes me crazy made in Canada shiped to the U.S. and sell them for less.

I picked up my new tires at the shipping outlet in Sweetgrass Montana on Friday. They are made in Canada. The price difference for the tires sold in Canada vs the USA is over $100 for each tires ($140USD from TireRack, plus about $12USD shipping, and $250CAD from FountainTire.)

It is pretty crazy that a tire made in Canada and shipped to the US and then shipped to where I picked them up is still so much cheaper.

The Tripletred tires look awesome. I haven't had a chance to take the vehicle to a tire shop to get the switch done but I'm really excited about the new rubber.

I have 53000 miles on the stock Firestone tires that came on my 06 HHR. There is still tread life there as I'm not down to the wear bars. I've been looking at Goodyear Assurance Max as a replacement or some Khumo platinum tires.

Both will run me ~$600 for a set of four installed.

The Firestone weren't that good the couple of times I was in snow, but there isn't much snow in Florida. I'm just looking foe a quiet running tire with good wet traction.

When did tires get so expensive?

Goodyears got expensive a few years ago when their marketing wizards decided that it was a premium brand tire like Michelin.It's still not but they still think it is.

I have 53000 miles on the stock Firestone tires that came on my 06 HHR. There is still tread life there as I'm not down to the wear bars. I've been looking at Goodyear Assurance Max as a replacement or some Khumo platinum tires.

Both will run me ~$600 for a set of four installed.

The Firestone weren't that good the couple of times I was in snow, but there isn't much snow in Florida. I'm just looking foe a quiet running tire with good wet traction.

When did tires get so expensive?

Good tires, regardless of brand, tend to be expensive mainly because of:
1) Features...materials, construction, performance, treadlife, etc.
2) Product liability
3) Cost of materials and manufacturing

Goodyears got expensive a few years ago when their marketing wizards decided that it was a premium brand tire like Michelin.It's still not but they still think it is.

What a foolish statement.

Coming from someone who should understand a little about the automotive parts and accessories business makes it beyond foolish...to the point of laughable. :lol: A "parts professional" who says that really isn't professional, in my opinion.

Reality is that both Michelin and Goodyear make products in many market segments, from economical broadmarket replacement tires, to premium broadmarket tires to premium ultraperformance tires. About the only place the two don't market is the very low-end replacement market which they've left to the Chinese and the Koreans.

Goodyears got expensive a few years ago when their marketing wizards decided that it was a premium brand tire like Michelin.It's still not but they still think it is.

:thumb: I still agree with this.
I just priced tires (215/50 R17) - Replacing my Goodyear Eagle LS (I think they were originals with 45,000 miles).

TripleTreds, while nice, were $197 each, or $912 installed for four (from Goodyear store).

Eagle LS - They were about 150 each

Dunlop Sport Signatures: were around 130-140
General Altimax HPs: were also around 130-140, but I found a small shop locally for 115 installed.

I ended up getting two Altimax (the other two in late fall before the snow starts). So far, so good, but I only have 500 miles on them so far...

:thumb: I still agree with this.
I just priced tires (215/50 R17)
I ended up getting two Altimax (the other two in late fall before the snow starts). So far, so good, but I only have 500 miles on them so far...

Hmm...what country are those from? Could you post the DOT numbers from the sidewall of the tires? Can they be warrantied from who other than the original selling dealer?

I ordered the Goodyear Assurance Max. Tire Kingdom found them and were cheaper than Discount Tire ($5) but Discount tire was 60 miles away. The price was nearly $100 less than Gatto which was across the street from Tire Kingdom.

Before getting the HHR I had been looking at the Chevell Max SS, and replacement tires for that car was $300/tire. I'm glad I got the HHR

Got BFG Traction T/As on my 2006 in 215X50X17. I love them. The Firestone Firehawks were terrible. The HHR was very touchy to drive in the rain. Now it's great under any condition. I also put Nitrogen in them. I recommend it highly.

Hmm...what country are those from? Could you post the DOT numbers from the sidewall of the tires? Can they be warrantied from who other than the original selling dealer?

Not sure about your warranty question, but try this http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Altimax+HP&partnum=15HR7AMAXHP&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes for more info...

According to the compare page, these are made in either MX (Mexico) or FR(ance).

Mexican Tires on my Hecho en Mexico car - Si Senior!

Interesting readings..& Welcome Hib !!!

When I replace my oem oem firestones, my plan is to plus-zero the next set.

Yep, I wanna go from 215/50/17 to a 225/50/17... What brand is yet to be decided..

A postscript to my report on the Goodyear Eagle F1 All-Season...

Earlier I suggested that the reason for the F1 AS's tread life being less than I had expected was a front end alignment problem.

Well...when I went to change tires to a new set of Goodyear Assurance TripleTreds, I had the alignment checked. Boy, was I spot-on. The alignment was -1.25° left and -0.75° right for camber and 3/16-in. toe in, way too much toe. The excessive toe-in explains the accelerated tire wear. Since this car has never been run into a curb or a big pot hole, I suspect that the front end alignment has been incorrect since the truck was new.

After Tucker Tire Service Co. in Covina CA, which does all my tire/wheel work, put on the new TripleTreds I had them reset the alignment to -1.00° camber (which is close to the stock figure of -0.9°) and 1/32-in. toe in.

The revised alignment should end any trouble with poor treadlife due to alignment.

I just wanted to post a few words about my new Goodyear Assurance Tripletreds. I've been riding on them for a few months now and they have been great. At first they seemed pretty loud when it went out for my first drive but they seem to have become much quieter after a few drives (they either "broke in" or I got used to the noise).

This last week I finally had a chance to test them in the snow and on ice. They did an excellent job. We had about 20 cm of snow in one day and temperatures down to -20c and they rode well and provided a lot of grip and traction. I was able to get out of my parking spot very easily at home (my Firestones left me stuck quite a few times last year and I required a push out). I was also able to get around a lot easier on the hills around my home. A few hills I always stayed away from because I couldn't make it up with the Firestones. I tried those hills this weekend and made it up with no problems. I also easily made it up one hill in traffic while other vehicles were struggling, getting stuck and sliding backwards down the hill.

For an all-season tire the Goodyear Assurance Triple-treds are incredible. I will replace them with a set of winter tires either next winter or the following one when the tread depth begins to decrease.

This dude believe it or not is NOT a spammer. He is however, one of the biggest jokes on the planet though. Ask older members of fullthrottlev6.com like myself what they think of Hib, then sit back and eat popcorn. I would ban this guy, very quickly.

This dude believe it or not is NOT a spammer. He is however, one of the biggest jokes on the planet though. Ask older members of fullthrottlev6.com like myself what they think of Hib, then sit back and eat popcorn. I would ban this guy, very quickly.

Maybe not everyone shares your opinion ?

Well, I was about to get the F1s... but out of stock, backorder, yahda yahda. Need tires! Winter is here, Firestones are... in bad shape.

Ended up getting the Eagle GTs... going to get them installed now! Were reviewed well...

Maybe not everyone shares your opinion ?

Not trying be arrogant, if it comes as so my apologies but.....give it time.

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This dude believe it or not is NOT a spammer. He is however, one of the biggest jokes on the planet though. Ask older members of fullthrottlev6.com like myself what they think of Hib, then sit back and eat popcorn. I would ban this guy, very quickly.

With fullthrottlev6.com, the problem is that site has been hijacked by a small group of hardcore drag racers and V6 "experts" who feel that there are very few ways to mod 3.8L V6s and they are the only ones who know how.

Some of my posts to that site were not popular because I, at times, disagreed with the trolls who felt they "controlled" speech on that site and, at other times, suggested sources for parts which were not favorites of the site's clique.

I'll add that, in spite of the controversy my project car created on fulthrottleV6.com I was never banned there because nothing I posted violated that sites rules-of-use. When it became obvious the audience there didn't care for the content I was posting, I simply stopped being active and went to other sites of interest to V6 Camaro owners with members who seemed to act more mature.

So, tell me "1970judge" why should I be banned from the Chevy HHR Network. :confused: If there is something I have posted here that violates the site's rules, why don't you post the details of that?

Apparently they have never read any car magazines that you have contributed too over the years....You go back a ways writing for the car mags.!:thumb:

Apparently they have never read any car magazines that you have contributed too over the years....You go back a ways writing for the car mags.!:thumb:

^ X 2 ^ :thumb:

So, tell me "1970judge" why should I be banned from the Chevy HHR Network. :confused: If there is something I have posted here that violates the site's rules, why don't you post the details of that?

I'm not him, but I've been hanging around on-line forums for going on 25 years and while that post might be acceptable on a forum you're known on, for those of us who don't have a clue who you are, that as a first post just come across as written by someone who knows he's better than us. It's not friendly, it's just in our faces, this is how it is and you'd be a fool to try anything else because I'm smarter than all of you.

If you are really as smart and well known as everyone seems to indicate, you'd know that, so why do you seem surprised by the reaction?

Me, I join I watch, I contribute when it makes sense, I mention Zaino on occasion when it comes up. I sell Zaino as part of my living, but I don't force it down peoples throats. I sell EFILive too and I don't like seeing HP Tuner threads, but sadly I can't use EFILive to tune my wife's SS and I can't convince Ross to make it work so I just keep my mouth shut. Maybe someday people will realize I know what I'm talking about, or maybe not. I'm not really modding the HHR much so mostly I just read for amusement.

Ira

(snip)You go back a ways writing for the car mags.!:thumb:

Just don't tell anybody how long, 'kay?
:lol:

(snip)
while that post might be acceptable on a forum you're known on, for those of us who don't have a clue who you are, that as a first post just come across as written by someone who knows he's better than us. It's not friendly, it's just in our faces, this is how it is and you'd be a fool to try anything else because I'm smarter than all of you.
(snip)


I'm a little confused, "lazanio" so I'll offer two opinions. Hopefully one of them might answer your concerns.

If you are taking me to task because I ask someone why I should be banned, you're being unreasonable.

If you are taking me to task because you thought the first post in this thread reads like it was written by "someone who knows he's better than us." sorry, but I think you're wrong. I simply posted the results of some tires testing.

If you are taking me to task because you think the post you quoted above was my first post to the site and, thus, it was inapproprate, well...I've been a member of chevyhhr.net since 2007 and have posted a number of times previous to that.

Apologies. it was the first I'd seen of you here or anywhere. I neglected to notice your post count and it was the first post I'd ever seen of yours and the responses were such that it seemed like it was your first post. Ah well, it's not the first time I've stepped in it, and probably won't be the last.

Sorry, Ira

, but I've been hanging around on-line forums for going on 25 years
Ira

25 Years?:confused: Seriously? ANY credibility you had is now history.

Any chance that this thread could stay on topic?

I have looked at these tires before and considered them but may use the new Eagle GT my next change. My buddy has had them on for over a year on a Cobalr SS and has had better results than he did with the original Pirellis.

What I have liked is they are priced very well for what you get mileage and performance wise.

I would say that, after testing both the Goodyear Eagle F1 All-Season and the Assurance TripleTred, the F1 AS has the advantage if performance handing is the key factor in a tire purchase decision. If you have an SS or a non-SS with suspension mods such as stiffer springs, stiffer shocks, bigger bars and lowering, then it's a better choice. Also, if you have a stock non-SS which you regularly drive hard in the turns, the F1 AS is better.

The TripleTred isn't quite as good in dry handling, it a tiny bit better in the wet and seems to be capable of better tread life, so for HHRs which are not heaviliy modified for handling or for stock non-SSes which are not driven hard on a regular basis, the TripleTred is the better choice.

I think this thread covers about all I can say on the F1 AS. If you're interested in reading more about the Goodyear Assurance, please see:
http://chevyhhr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=26541&highlight=assurance

Ok now....anybody try the new Continentals out yet? On a side by side they seem to rank quite high and its an all season tire........

25 Years?:confused: Seriously? ANY credibility you had is now history.

It would be except in 1985 I started working for BIX, soon followed by The Source and then Compuserve, so while it wasn't the internet, it's been 25 years.

Ira

Hib,

I been in the tire business for over 15 years..

My 2 cents ... I think it was an excellent report based on what you were attempting to do the comparisons on.

I contribute on many different boards and find lots of contributors with a chip on their shoulder or just Plain Smart Ellics.

Thanks for the info.

I haven't checked-in with this thread in quite some time because I completed my test of the F1 AS quite some time ago but, thanks for your compliment, "Silverfox". Coming from someone with the experience you have in the tire business, it means a lot.

yes woody I put a set of conti extreme dws 245x40 on my SS and I love them it rains a lot here the mxm4 it had when I got it wouldnt do anything but spin even before the stg 1 these hook up like they have claws but ride smooth and at least 60% quieter planning a trip to Edmonton at christmas thats over two mountian ranges from here I'll let you know if the raving reviews about performing in snow are true I'm thinkin I'll find some on the trip. I paid around 900.00 more for the tires on my bmw and they are awsome to drive but only a small fraction better than the new conti

here is a news flash about the conti dws we have a lot of asphalt hiways and lots of trucks in them so they the lanes bad some feel kind of line crossing the wake when waterskiing so when we have heavy rain its like driving down two rivers one for each tire a more apropiate vehicle might be a kyak anyway I had to run through it tonight and the tires couldnt do the deed found myself waterborn a few times and was only going 60 so its back to discount tire monday for the F-1 I'm not into that loss of control thing life is too short I'll let you know how they handle our unique conditions

yeah but when you get into water that deep most any tire will lift....unless your running in someone elses footprint

Ok now....anybody try the new Continentals out yet? On a side by side they seem to rank quite high and its an all season tire........


My father had Continentals on his Chrysler 300c. Last year, while driving back from a Packers game, those tires where hydroplaning all the time. I would never buy them.

switched them to the F1AS no more hydro feels like you drove into pudding but they stay glued and very quick in response on cornering look good too kinda old school square corners

I would advice against buying the Goodyear TripleTread tires. I have only used about 30,000 miles of the supposed 80,000 mile service life. At the start they were great – excellent handling, superior traction on dry, wet, and snow covered roads. Unfortunately, at this point I am quite disappointed in the tires. Since the tires are directional and can not be rotated in the normal manner – the tires have become “feathered” on the edges. Which has greatly increased the road noise coming from them – the more miles I put on them the louder they have gotten. Also, as the tires have worn over time I have noticed a loss of wet weather handling and quite a bit more slipping at starts. I hate to see what the coming winter has in store for me – might just have to park it and wait for spring. I think this will be the only set of directional tires I will ever buy and I doubt that I ever buy Goodyear tires again.

Hey TIGGER
Sorry to hear your experience with triple treads I have heard that the Eagle GT are also disapointing The F-1 is another step a z rating if they make 30K I'll be happy I've worn out a couple sets of Toyo T-1R directionals and they are incredible performers but the car I run them on weighs much more and they wanted about 400 more for them on the SS. Dicsount/Americas tire will give you 30 days to test drive them. I ran on a couple set till we got to these dont know how you drive but I'm guessing you would be pleasantly surprised if you would try the z rated tire .I think they are even a little less money for more performance probably paying for the tv ads on the triple tread.

"feathered" edges is generally not a sign of defective tires.

it usually is a sign of either 1) incorrect front suspension alignment or 2) consistent aggressive driving.

With my truck, the first set of tires I put on it wore prematurely...they had feathered edges and excessive tread wear on the outside. The problem was front end alignment.

Also, the statement that the tires are directional and cannot be rotated is not based on fact. If the front end alignment is correct, you simply rotate them front to rear rather than in an "X".

As for the characteristic of wet performance gradually changing with tread wear....that's one of those "Well duh" issues. As the tire wears (be it abnormal or normal wear) the tread grooves get more shallow. When the tread grooves get more shallow, wet traction may decrease. This is true of any tire not just Goodyears.

Lastly, I now have about 20,000 miles on a set of TripleTreds and have no sign of feathered edges.