Come on..... 14.8 seconds at 98.5 mph??? Thats no SS I know and remember.

Even the lowly heavy metal 1969 Nova SS with 375 HP did 13.8@105MPH...........WITH AN AUTOMATIC!!

A 1970 BUICK GS with an Automatic ......... 13.38 @ 105MPH.......Yep heavy ass grandpa's BUICK.

The HHR is MUCH MUCH lighter then those cars and is still a whole second behind and cannot break 100 MPH with a 4 Speed BOX!!!!! NO EXCUSE.

I dont want to even bring up the 5th fastest American muscle car off the showroom floor 1970 Chevy SS Chevelle 450HP 13.1@107MPH. Now THATS an SS.OK I did.

We have been dumbed down into believing the SS is really a muscle car.

Those who have never been in the driver seat of a real muscle car will never know the feeling of driving off a showroom lot pinned back in the seat with a deep rumbling sound that matches the performance..

Oh for the good ole days for those of us that were there,

On the bright side the HHR does match up well with the 50th fastest production muscle car ever made with the at the small 2 seater 1964 289ci 271HP Cobra 4 speed.

Thats not terrible company to be in apparently by todays standards,

to me SS is a performance package.

what does a stock HHR do in the 1/4? 17.8

~3 sec improvement.

wish they offered a "perfomance package" for the gto :D:D that would take 3 seconds off hehehe.

Put the HHR/SS in the mountains with the Chevelle and the HHR will be showing tailights to his windshield. Also, like has been mentioned before, the SS package was originally a trim level, not just a performance package. You could have a Nova SS back in the day with a six-cylinder!

There are a butt-load of past SS's the the HHR will blow the doors off of. Lighten up a little, at least GM made an attemp and got us 90hp more that we had before with the 2.4.

Just be happy that you have a performance model to choose from. The vast majority of car purchasers could care less what the quarter mile of a car can do or if a car can handle or what ever. They happily sheep along in traffic.

My take on performance today is not that of quarter mile performance. Its that i know that this car not only is a quick vehicle, but also provides me with excellent steering and feedback. Excellent braking and emergency maneuvers for everyday life.

Also GM's SS lineup is now performing up to par for what you get. In the past they strapped okay cars with the SS badge. Now they are moving toward performance that mean well. My previous car was a 04 GTO, that car had no SS badge, but was quicker the 98% of the vehicles that are sold in the world. The HHR SS will be faster then 95% of the cars on the road. Besides my slow 350hp 04 GTO was able to run a 13.1 quarter mile fully stock (not me but a member of another forum who is an excellent driver) , while some of the 400hp GTO's have hit high 12's. Not bad for a stock GM vehicle.

I had a 1966 Chevelle SS,no power steering,no power brakes,a 427ci and 425hp ,it turned 12.88 at 110 mph. I miss those days. "1969" from Nickey Chevrolet,Chicago.

Come on..... 14.8 seconds at 98.5 mph??? Thats no SS I know and remember.

Even the lowly heavy metal 1969 Nova SS with 375 HP did 13.8@105MPH...........WITH AN AUTOMATIC!!

A 1970 BUICK GS with an Automatic ......... 13.38 @ 105MPH.......Yep heavy ass grandpa's BUICK.

The HHR is MUCH MUCH lighter then those cars and is still a whole second behind and cannot break 100 MPH with a 4 Speed BOX!!!!! NO EXCUSE.

I dont want to even bring up the 5th fastest American muscle car off the showroom floor 1970 Chevy SS Chevelle 450HP 13.1@107MPH. Now THATS an SS.OK I did.

We have been dumbed down into believing the SS is really a muscle car.

Those who have never been in the driver seat of a real muscle car will never know the feeling of driving off a showroom lot pinned back in the seat with a deep rumbling sound that matches the performance..

Oh for the good ole days for those of us that were there,

On the bright side the HHR does match up well with the 50th fastest production muscle car ever made with the at the small 2 seater 1964 289ci 271HP Cobra 4 speed.

Thats not terrible company to be in apparently by todays standards,

I also find numbers people posted to be far from reality. Its not to say that those cars could not make those numbers in the Quarter mile, but past cars had worse tires and other factors working against them right off the bat. But they also had Lead gasoline (excellent octane increaser and when burned produces a cooling effect ie more power), little or no emissions requirements and almost no safety requirements.

Here is a post on another forum going over the list of "production cars" that make the fastest 1/4 miles yet in reality aren't production cars.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195195&highlight=fastest+production+cars
#1 Veyron - BS. Those skinny sidewalls would not hold up to a real 10.2 show me the pass.
#2 S/S Barracuda - NOT a production car
#3 S/S Dart - NOT a production car
#5 LT2 Vette - One of a Kind Handbuilt GM Prototype engine NEVER SOLD
#6 LS7 Vette - Well it's an actual car, but this time is on Drag Radials, WTF!
#7 ZL1 Vette - Only on drag slicks, and only 2 made, though with a legal RPO #
#9 Mosler - It's a damn kit car, how is that legal?
#19 Thunderbolt - Again, NOT a production car. No title, no equipment, etc. Race car only
#24 Cobra 427 - Riiiight. A 1997 built kit-car is not a real Cobra, sorry. Again, not a real car.
#30 Brock Coupe - Again, a damn kit car! What are they smoking???
#32 Ramcharger - Wow, now instead of listing just the "bare" S/S drag car only time, they actually gave the NAME of the famous S/S car that set the time. This is a race car people!
#57 Cobra - Yay, a 5.0 Kit car
#88 GTO - That's the 421 Super Duty car that has been heavily documented, and admitted as, a ringer.

Those who have never been in the driver seat of a real muscle car will never know the feeling of driving off a showroom lot pinned back in the seat with a deep rumbling sound that matches the performance..

I just got to drive an 07' Z06 Vette. I know its not technically a muscle car but it sure as heck sets you back in the seat and has a great rumble to it. What a sweet car. Now I just need to get behind the wheel of a Viper. Hello jail time :lol:

well I've owned a lightly-modded 98 Z28 since new with an estimated 370HP at the crank and lemme tell you, it's a lot of fun. But I want to sell it now and get something with some oomph and also gets better mileage than 15mpg.

That's why the HHR SS is appealing to me and hopefully I will own one by the time spring arrives in 08.

We have the 07 HHR 2.4 and a 2006 Corvette. Both are fun to drive. Vette is fast. Fastest car I've owned. my NEW fast cars had others but not fast
64 GTO
68 442
70 Road Runner slowest of the bunch
87 Grand National

Corvette is as fast as I need. 29 MPG highway

I've passed the age and testosterone level where I need to have a fast car. My 06 HHR with it's 2.4L engine can easily get up to 100 mph, but I'm not sure there is anyplace where I can safely drive at that speed. I have found I don't have to burn rubber moving from each traffic light I stop at to get an adrenaline rush. I'd rather get the ~30 mpg with the HHR than have a daily driver that gets 15-20 mpg.

I'm more into cruising and I have one car in my garage, covered and on wheel dollies, that has a GM performance ZZ4 350 CID (355hp). This car is scarey fast, loud and gets, on a good day, 18 mpg of 93 octane. I had thought that it would be a fun car, plus I got it for a reasonable price as someone else paid the big bucks to have it built.

I've passed the age and testosterone level where I need to have a fast car. My 06 HHR with it's 2.4L engine can easily get up to 100 mph, but I'm not sure there is anyplace where I can safely drive at that speed. I have found I don't have to burn rubber moving from each traffic light I stop at to get an adrenaline rush. I'd rather get the ~30 mpg with the HHR than have a daily driver that gets 15-20 mpg.

I'm more into cruising and I have one car in my garage, covered and on wheel dollies, that has a GM performance ZZ4 350 CID (355hp). This car is scarey fast, loud and gets, on a good day, 18 mpg of 93 octane. I had thought that it would be a fun car, plus I got it for a reasonable price as someone else paid the big bucks to have it built.

I agree. My comment was not directed at what I want. I could care less.If I wanted a fast car I would buy a Vette. I had my day in real muscle cars. It's just that I feel the car companies are dumping so so cars and calling them performance level cars and will most likely charge a huge premium fpr the privilege. As I have said before my wife's Spyder seems like a fast car after a week in the HHR.

The guy that put an SS emblem on his HHR 2.2 has a better idea. LOL

If you want a muscle car go buy a 08 Corvette which is fine for the 21st century. These muscle cars from the 1960's (of which I owned several) were gas hogs,frequent plug and point replacement,electrical problems,rust,rust and more rust and not always the best ride in winter weather...

Don't forget guys the muscle cars era those cars got big engine with big displacements and a lot of torque too. A 70 SS chevelle with a 454 got 450 hp but pretty close to 500 lbs of torque due of it's big cubic inches. Put that kind of engine today with a good electronic injection device and you'll get an awsome bunch of HP. The new HHR SS will get 260 hp pretty nice for small cubic inches but what it'll get for torque about 260 lbs of torque it's half way from a V-8. Just my :2cents:

i know that's the going to be the biggest thing I'll miss from my DD being a Z28... torque. Even my gf's jeep has a V8 and has good torque. But something has to be sacrificed for the sake of fuel economy and torque is usually the first thing to go.

May be in 10-15 years will see some Hybrid or hydrogen "SS" :lol: :lol: :lol:

One factor that you are all missing!!!

Gas was $.25 a gallon!!!!!!!!!!!!

One factor that you are all missing!!!

Gas was $.25 a gallon!!!!!!!!!!!!

Back in the 40's gas was that price.

In 1970's Gas Averaged Approx $1.75 a gallon. Minimum wage was approx the same.
Fuel cost is not a factor, Those of us earning 1.75 an hour out of HS at Mc Donalds were driving those 10 MPG cars. A lot.

Today Min wage is $5.85 and gas less than $3.00. A far better ratio.

Back in the 40's gas was that price.

In 1970's Gas Averaged Approx $1.75 a gallon. Minimum wage was approx the same.
Fuel cost is not a factor, Those of us earning 1.75 an hour out of HS at Mc Donalds were driving those 10 MPG cars. A lot.

Today Min wage is $5.85 and gas less than $3.00. A far better ratio.

My records show that gas was $0.899 a gallon in 1988. I remember the "gas shortage" of the early 70s and gas was about $0.409 a gallon. Regular gas was running around $1.17/gallon in the summer of 1999. Gas was around $1.50 in 2003, at least in Florida.

Where were you living in the 70s where gas was $1.75/gal?

I will beg to differ on the price of gas here. I have a senior memories book from my senior year in high school and I put down the prices of everything that year...and the price of a gallon of gas was one of them. I graduated in 1972 and the price written down in my book for regular gas is $.249 :smile:

My records show that gas was $0.899 a gallon in 1988. I remember the "gas shortage" of the early 70s and gas was about $0.409 a gallon. Regular gas was running around $1.17/gallon in the summer of 1999. Gas was around $1.50 in 2003, at least in Florida.

Where were you living in the 70s where gas was $1.75/gal?

I agree with Old Lar....

I remember gas in AZ in the low to high .30's in the early 70's (just as the gas crunch can in, after Kissenger convinced the Arabs to form OPEC). I had just moved here from Michigan, where it was .25/gal. depending on the brand AND who owned the station. Michigan's large cities...Detroit, for instance.....always had gas wars going. I even remember paying .17/gal for Sinclair at a privately owned station, in the 60's.

Come on..... 14.8 seconds at 98.5 mph??? Thats no SS I know and remember.

Even the lowly heavy metal 1969 Nova SS with 375 HP did 13.8@105MPH...........WITH AN AUTOMATIC!!

A 1970 BUICK GS with an Automatic ......... 13.38 @ 105MPH.......Yep heavy ass grandpa's BUICK.

The HHR is MUCH MUCH lighter then those cars and is still a whole second behind and cannot break 100 MPH with a 4 Speed BOX!!!!! NO EXCUSE.

I dont want to even bring up the 5th fastest American muscle car off the showroom floor 1970 Chevy SS Chevelle 450HP 13.1@107MPH. Now THATS an SS.OK I did.

We have been dumbed down into believing the SS is really a muscle car.

Those who have never been in the driver seat of a real muscle car will never know the feeling of driving off a showroom lot pinned back in the seat with a deep rumbling sound that matches the performance..

Oh for the good ole days for those of us that were there,

On the bright side the HHR does match up well with the 50th fastest production muscle car ever made with the at the small 2 seater 1964 289ci 271HP Cobra 4 speed.

Thats not terrible company to be in apparently by todays standards,

Why on earth would you buy a FWD car like the HHR and expect to go drag racing in it? Thats moronic, SS badge or not. Even if they dumped 300hp into it, its still FWD and would need a torque limiter due to torque steer whcich would mean the cars power would fall flat around 5k RPM and it would be just about as slow. If you are looking for a modern day muscle car, go buy a Charger R/T or SRT8 or the upcoming Challenger. Your money will go ALOT farther.

Why on earth would you buy a FWD car like the HHR and expect to go drag racing in it? Thats moronic, SS badge or not. Even if they dumped 300hp into it, its still FWD and would need a torque limiter due to torque steer whcich would mean the cars power would fall flat around 5k RPM and it would be just about as slow. If you are looking for a modern day muscle car, go buy a Charger R/T or SRT8 or the upcoming Challenger. Your money will go ALOT farther.

Do you even know what torque steer is or what causes it? Moronic? Tell that to the guys who are building FWDs that'll spank the crap out of anything coming out of Highland Park these days. In fact, I believe it was Dodge who was building some pretty mean little FWDs in the early '90s that could take on just about anything on the road, too.

Now I do remember in the late 70's - 1981 that gas did hit around $1.50 for a short time. But I had no bills other than my car (in HS at the time).

Best of my knowledge, SS stands for Super Sport. There are so many non muscle cars today that will spank most muscle cars of the 60's, and they will do it with tripple the gas mileage. The HHR might not outrun a 70 454 SS in the quarter, but I bet it would spank it at the ring. There is a lot more to a performance car that how fast it goes in a straight line. :laughabov

From the start, you have *****ed about the HHR in some form or fashion. I'm still confused as to why you bought it. Lucky I don't get to see your posts unless someone quotes you :p: (blocked).

I'm waiting for my SS because I want a balanced, fun car that's quick and does it all pretty well. I think GM did this one right. I have a 400 hp (at the rear wheels) 1935 Ford sitting in my driveway, it is fun to drive but doesn't do everything as well as the HHR SS.....my old drag racing days (in the '60s) were fun but those cars actually weren't very good "drivers". If you look at the SS overall you'll find that GM built a very balanced "Super Sport" package here........not just a cosmetic "trim" package that they were so famous for over the past 15 years.

I'm waiting for my SS because I want a balanced, fun car that's quick and does it all pretty well. I think GM did this one right. I have a 400 hp (at the rear wheels) 1935 Ford sitting in my driveway, it is fun to drive but doesn't do everything as well as the HHR SS.....my old drag racing days (in the '60s) were fun but those cars actually weren't very good "drivers". If you look at the SS overall you'll find that GM built a very balanced "Super Sport" package here........not just a cosmetic "trim" package that they were so famous for over the past 15 years.


Exactly what he said. :thumb:

Don't forget guys the muscle cars era those cars got big engine with big displacements and a lot of torque too. A 70 SS chevelle with a 454 got 450 hp but pretty close to 500 lbs of torque due of it's big cubic inches. Put that kind of engine today with a good electronic injection device and you'll get an awsome bunch of HP. The new HHR SS will get 260 hp pretty nice for small cubic inches but what it'll get for torque about 260 lbs of torque it's half way from a V-8. Just my :2cents:

If you want real torque wait till 2009 when chevy releases the turbo diesel vette 350 hp 675 lbs of torque 0-60 in 4 seconds.GM says if it gos well with buyers they my drop puting gas engines in the vette.Put a bully dog propane conversion on that and you will have 500 hp and 900 plus lbs of torque.

If you want real torque wait till 2009 when chevy releases the turbo diesel vette 350 hp 675 lbs of torque 0-60 in 4 seconds.GM says if it gos well with buyers they my drop puting gas engines in the vette.Put a bully dog propane conversion on that and you will have 500 hp and 900 plus lbs of torque.

Do you have a link to any articles on that. I'm very interested. I havn't heard anything about it.

It would most likely be only sold in Europe if they even did decide to do this in the Vette.

Do you have a link to any articles on that. I'm very interested. I havn't heard anything about it.

This MAY help. I believe one of the "power" car magazines did an article as well. Also scroll down to post #41 in the comment section of this artcile for additional links.

http://cars.about.com/b/2007/04/01/corvette-to-get-diesel-power-for-2009.htm

This MAY help. I believe one of the "power" car magazines did an article as well. Also scroll down to post #41 in the comment section of this artcile for additional links.

http://cars.about.com/b/2007/04/01/corvette-to-get-diesel-power-for-2009.htm

Thanks Snoopy that is some cool info at the banks site. Also great info about Vettes getting Diesels. :thumb:

if you notice the date of that story, looks like an April Fools joke.
Diesel Corvettes? fuggetaboutit!

http://weblogs.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/blog/tony_soprano.jpg

if you notice the date of that story, looks like an April Fools joke.
Diesel Corvettes? fuggetaboutit!

http://weblogs.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/blog/tony_soprano.jpg

Damn MOTORV8D....you spoiled the fun !!!! Yeah it was a joke published by the site that I linked. It's amazing, many, many other sites and magazines picked up the article as gospel and published it, also.

Shows the accuracy of the web;)

Shows the accuracy of the web;)

WHAT?!?!?!?!?! :eek: You mean not everything I read on the internet is true? :confused: I always figured everything I read on the internet is 100% accurate and honest. :nuts: :rof:

I still think is an great idea. That would be so much fun.