In Ontario Canada:

http://www.socalhhr.citymax.com/i/HHR%20Plate%20Pics/Woody_HHR_Duals_Sm.jpg

This was sent in by one of our customers and is the first HHR with duals spotted driving on the street. I'm waiting for details, but from what I can gather - this vehicle breaks several safety regulations:

1) the passenger side of the fuel tank does not have any metal heat shielding and the fuel tank is plastic. This means a hot exhaust pipe will be running in close proximity to the unprotected tank.

2) the fuel tank inlet hose (rubber), and EGR hoses crossover right above where a second pipe would be located - these can easily melt.

3) The HHR's EGR canister (also plastic) is located right in the center where hot exhaust pipes would cross over - another melting danger.

Here is a composite pic we made while trying to design a dual add-on system:

http://www.songramp.com/photos/ArtistArticle6249.jpg

Take a good look at where a second pipe might run and you can see the many explosion dangers we found.

I'm waiting to hear back from the owner about what he finds.

Personally, I would be afraid to drive my familiy around in it! :eek:

But it does look verrrrrrry cool! :thumb:

well thats a bummer cause it does look cool..

Now thats exactly what i wanted to do, but had no idea of the dangers involved. Hopefully i can one day without too much modification!

It looks really good. Too bad they put on that vinyl woody kit.

Love it :thumb: What if he ran the pipe across the spare?

Is it possible that the 2nd pipe is strictly for looks (not connected to anything), such as the side pipes seen on some custom HHRs? In that case, no dangers involved.

Fritz45

Is it possible that the 2nd pipe is strictly for looks (not connected to anything), such as the side pipes seen on some custom HHRs? In that case, no dangers involved.

Fritz45
That's exactly what i was thinking. Cosmetics only?

Is it possible that the 2nd pipe is strictly for looks (not connected to anything), such as the side pipes seen on some custom HHRs? In that case, no dangers involved.

Fritz45


That might look kinda funny on a cold morning..

Love it :thumb: What if he ran the pipe across the spare?

If you ran it across the spare, it would hang down too low and be seen, as the spare compatment sits the lowest back there.

It could be cosmetic, but I think many owners want to see condensation coming out of both pipes - don't you? A Y-pipe is the solution we were looking for, but every effort so far has proved fruitless. Still trying to design a safe way to do this.

If the owner of this HHR gets back to me with pics, we might see a new way to go about it. Time will tell...

looks like they could have made the cut to match the factory one in the bumper, the width is off :(

?? Humm

if you dont want to carry a spare, you could cut that part out, weld in sheet metal to cover the whole, and the rest is upto you.

Why anyone would want to drive around without a spare is beyond me!?! :confused:

That's just pushing it too far.... :(

Why anyone would want to drive around without a spare is beyond me!?! :confused:

That's just pushing it too far.... :(

What if you have run flat tires? :confused: I didn't carry a spare in my Mustang because I had run flats. ;)

Yeah - OK, well...one exception. How many HHR owners have them? I think at this point, most are running on stock tires.

Of course, I have a family to worry about. There's no way I'm letting my wife and kid ride in a car with no spare.

First off, my apologies for using SoCal's exhaust routing picture. :cool:

The below is a VERY rough change on how it COULD be accomplished without causing any issues with the gas tank, fuel lines or evap equipment.

http://www.dsmodgarage.net/misc/hhrexhaust.jpg

Bear in mind, I would NEVER attempt such a thing but only doing this as a possible senario for the before posted picture.


Cheers,
E

Yeah, we looked at that option. The two main problems are:

a) the crossover pipe will be visible from behind as the tire bay is too low.

b) the tire bay would be subject to excessive heat, which could damage the spare tire.

Your ovalized crossover pipe might work. Whenever you run a "Y" like this the flow into the furthest outlet is conpromised anyway, it's usually about 75/25% flow, as exhaust gases always take the path of least resistance.

We are just trying to address safety issues, as safety is more important than looks anyday! :thumb:

Yes the flow is compromised but the heat issue would be somewhat addressed because of the reduced volume of exhaust gases. With the ovalized piping it would not be visible from behind. One could also add resonating tips to further reduce excess exhaust volume/sound.

Again, this is not my idea of a good dual exhaust but a possible solution for the questioned exhaust on the pictured HHR.

:)

I am sure that sometime that they will offer Dual Exhausts!

That might look kinda funny on a cold morning..
Then he needs to move to Florida.....just kidding :p:

Then he needs to move to Florida.....just kidding :p:
Yea Florida is full..

[QUOTE=SoCalHHR]Why anyone would want to drive around without a spare is beyond me!?! :confused:

Why would anybody add either
a) a dummy pipe to look like dual exhaust, or
b) a Y pipe to create actual dual exhaust, when it is just adding weight without boosting performance?

The car is a inline 4 cylinder, with a single exhaust. All that is needed is larger diameter and smoother bends and a low restriction muffler/cat. If you just want the look, epoxy an exhaust tip to the bottom of the bumper.

Ok, maybe im missing the joke :confused: and some photochopped that picture to say they saw an HHR with dual exhaust cuz that picture looks really fake to me... maybe cuz im a graphic designer i dont know... the tailpipe shadowing is very bad on the second one and the placement of the woody graphics is off... they seem to be floating in the picture... i think this pic is what someone wants to do with their HHR but not one that is driven daily... but hey i could be wrong.... .02

I was thinking the same thing HHRsparks, just look at the wood grain it looks so fake, looks like someone copied and past it on there, And the answer to the spare question is that if you have onstar just give them a call , or AAA and they will come fix your tire! lol

just look at the wood grain it looks so fake

That's because it's vinyl. :roll:

I can't believe anyone would get excited about putting dual exhausts on a 4 banger. The part you guys didn't even consider is the cost for a whole new bumper cover that has the second cut-out. That alone is probably $500!!!!!! Imagine what chrome under the hood would do for your performance. :roll:

The part you guys didn't even consider is the cost for a whole new bumper cover that has the second cut-out.

Or just make the cut out yourself. ;) That's how a lot of the V6 Mustang guys added duals to their Mustang. I was a little extreme and replace mine with a GT bumper, mostly because I had to replace my bumper anyways so I figured why not put the GT one on. :cool: A new bumper is a little much when it's not that hard to do a cut out. :p:

it looks nice to have the dual exhuast, but its sad to have just a tip, and even worse to have a exhuast that doesnt gain any HP its useless, and the pic looks pretty fake. ill post my photochopped hhr but i will actualy get it to look like this.

That's because it's vinyl. :roll:


sorry CH but that pic is a fake... that wood kit is not vinyl... its photoshoped on... im calling shananagans on this pic...

courtesy of hhrclub.org look at this pic... note the reflection in the wood vinyl kit... its really on the car... the pic that started this thread is a fake...

http://www.hhrclub.org/store/images/images_big/auto-tech-woody-rear.jpg

I'm not doubting that it's a fake but there is a vinyl woody kit that looks just like that. Not the laminate one that you posted. I'll dig up a pic and post it later on when I have some time. That would be why the grain looks funny.

make functional lake pipes forget the rear exhaust do side exhause maybe it will bumb some hp and look hot still, let it end right b4 the rear wheels. right under the running boards or rocker panel if u dont have

Well, I don't think it's fake. Here' is the unretouched photo as sent to me by one of our customers:

http://www.songramp.com/photos/ArtistArticle6259.jpg

If you look closely, the "woody" kit looks like a vinyl ordeal. Look at the sides - it's verrrry thin.

Another note - this customer lives in Canada, so that might have something to do with it being a different woody kit. His dealer might even have made it up? Vinyl wraps are becoming so popular anyone could make one.

I dont know?

WOAH... SoCal...that pic just engulfed my whole monitor screen! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Yeah, sorry - I just wanted to post the entire "unedited" pic so everyone could see it is real.

They need to make the cut outs the same size.

WOAH... SoCal...that pic just engulfed my whole monitor screen! :eek: :eek: :eek:

You have a monitor screen that large...LOL

What we need are Photo Shop cops on this forum :D Photo shops have gone out of control like that chicken flu overseas :D To Photo Shop or not to Photo Shop...That is the question... :D

Another post padding effort brought to you in part by Ng... :D

Here's another solution... use a custom fuel cell with a Y pipe. Anything is possible with enough money and time.

As far as the other topic in this thread, the pic looks real fake.

As far as the other topic in this thread, the pic looks real fake.

If it is a fake pic then whoever did it put a lot of detail in it, and would have to be really great with photoshop. Notice the graphics on the rear quarter panels, and also the muffler is missing. Would like to see a pic of the underside of this HHR to see how the exhuast is actually done!

the vinyl kit is fo real

http://cgi.ebay.com/Chevrolet-HHR-Retro-Wood-Panel-Graphic-Kit-Woody-Wagon_W0QQitemZ8041437327QQcategoryZ50447QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

:bow: :red: I stand corrected... the HHR with duals is real and the kit is real... if the glove dont fit you must accquit!!!!!!

i found the reall pics on the other board hrrclub.org

http://www.hhrclub.org/galleries/jou2424/3001.jpg

http://www.hhrclub.org/galleries/jou2424/4001.jpg

Well, I was wrong. So, the dual exhaust is real, how was it done (maybe they missed they safety/common sense class). The woody kit is ugly as hell though.

White.... how could they, will it ever sell? Perhaps it's right for someone, but it sure aint for me!
This is one MOD you won't see from me!


http://mysite.verizon.net/sindydix/ruined.JPG

I take it there is still no photos or details as to the engineering??? I'm going with functional socal single lake pipes with caps.....

The woody vinyl is just ugly. :eek: I hope woody HHRs don't catch on. :(

I take it there is still no photos or details as to the engineering??? I'm going with functional socal single lake pipes with caps.....

I dunno about the rear dual exhaust thingny, But I used the 70" lake pipes on mine and they fit great.

White.... how could they, will it ever sell? Perhaps it's right for someone, but it sure aint for me!
This is one MOD you won't see from me!


http://mysite.verizon.net/sindydix/ruined.JPG

werd :(

Well, I was wrong. So, the dual exhaust is real, how was it done (maybe they missed they safety/common sense class).

I emailed the owner of this HHR (after he sent me the plate pics for our site), and explained all the safety concerns with the duals. I asked him to provide pics of the routing if possible as we have been trying to design a couple kits here without luck. I even included my diagram outlining the dangers present under the car.

He has not responded to my email. :(

(Hope he doesn't "blow up") :eek:

That vinyl kit really does look awkward still, and maybe he hasn't responses because the car went boom?

gibson exhuat says its dual, maybe this is the answer? http://www.autoanything.com/exhausts-mufflers/61A1899A0A0.aspx

If ya' ain't got power under da' hood, ya' ain't got no biniz usin' a dual exhaust.

XXactly

Only fits the 2.2 that sux

I emailed the owner of this HHR (after he sent me the plate pics for our site), and explained all the safety concerns with the duals. I asked him to provide pics of the routing if possible as we have been trying to design a couple kits here without luck. I even included my diagram outlining the dangers present under the car.

He has not responded to my email. :(

(Hope he doesn't "blow up") :eek:


He must have not thought about the safety concerns, and is to embarassed to admit/show it. ;)

gibson exhuat says its dual, maybe this is the answer? http://www.autoanything.com/exhausts-mufflers/61A1899A0A0.aspx

That picture has been on several sites. It is not a picture of an HHR exhaust. Gibson does not make a dual exhaust system for the HHR. (*We should know - we are a Gibson dealer!) If you read the fine print right under the pic it says:

(Sample image shown. Actual part may differ)

Still no duals for the HHR......yet! :steering:

I don't know about all of you, but dual exhaust outlets doesn't have as much to do with power as it does with appearence. I personally think the body styling of the HHR lends itself well to the look of dual exhaust tips sticking out from under the rear apron. A couple of my friends from the Focus forums have dualed out their exhaust because the body kit they've chosen has dual outlet provisions. And although these cars aren't power houses it sure is appealing to the eye and both have won numerous car shows to back that up. I agree that this mod isn't for everyone, but I still live by the old adage that if you can't say something positive then it's best to keep your thoughts to yourself. -Dan.....flame away ;)

With you there Dan

With you there Dan
Thanks Mike, and just for the record I wasn't trying to be crass. But let's face it, we all do things (or nothing) to our rides as a means of personalization and to be unique. We do the things that appeal to us, not to impress others (this does help in the ego department). Although some folks do stuff to their ride that doesn't appeal to me, you will never hear me say so. I would rather not say anything than to be insulting to others. Yeah, lots of stuff we do are basically useless, like my dummy lake pipes, my old tyme script, blue dots, an after market grille, and yes.....even dual outlet exhaust or my moon eyes. None of the above adds HP / torque, but to the beholder it adds his / her personal touch, and character, isn't that the real back bone of hot rodding and customization? One of the reason's I joined this forum is because it had value, people were allowed to post things they've done to their HHR just to simply share what they're doing, but lately I'm seeing more insulting replies and negativity. So I for one will still linger, but will keep my mods to myself unless things go back the way they were early on. -Dan

Hey, I have dummy Lake Pipes too...and I think your ride is very cool.

Everyone should just make their HHR the way they want it and if you don't like someone's mod - keep it to yourself.

Not everyone has the same taste.

Whatever you do Dan - don't be put off!

Hey, I have dummy Lake Pipes too...and I think your ride is very cool.

Everyone should just make their HHR the way they want it and if you don't like someone's mod - keep it to yourself.

Not everyone has the same taste.

Whatever you do Dan - don't be put off!

I hear ya Mike, but I just don't understand where someone can see the purpose of non-functional lake pipes but can't see the purpose of blue dots, or someone can see the purpose of the old style Chevrolet scripts and decals but can't see the purpose of moon eye decals, or they like the after market grilles but are put off by the usless roof rails. None of these thing's aid in the performance and all are purely cosmetic, but some get insults while others get praise......I just don't get it.

lately I'm seeing more insulting replies and negativity. So I for one will still linger, but will keep my mods to myself unless things go back the way they were early on. -Dan

Whoa, what did I miss :confused: Did someone insult the mods you did to your HHR? Looked like everyone here gave ya the :thumb: up.

Whoa, what did I miss :confused: Did someone insult the mods you did to your HHR? Looked like everyone here gave ya the :thumb: up.
Ah, you must have missed a few threads. Nothing real hazardous, just a couple of insults. Some people can see what they're doing with perfect clarity but if it doesn't meet their criteria it is attacked with insultes, just not my way of doing things. Hell. I'm not perfect......just opinionated :smile:

Ah, you must have missed a few threads. Nothing real hazardous, just a couple of insults. Some people can see what they're doing with perfect clarity but if it doesn't meet their criteria it is attacked with insultes, just not my way of doing things. Hell. I'm not perfect......just opinionated :smile:
LOL :D I gotcha Dan... I thought I read all threads but musta missed some of the finer points, so to speak.

It's all good, just so long as people's mod "opinions" don't turn into "bashing" sessions. :thumbsdow (& turning one HHR owner against another) :(

There have been many mods I liked and some I just thought was plain wrong, but everyone has a different taste. If I like, I let them know and If I don't, I do not respond unless it in a positive manner. Mike has always been informative and as courtious as anyone on this forum and I don't think he meant any respect. Dan you have a great ride. What so great about the HHR is that they can be cutomized in so many differant ways and cosmetics is one of the reason I bought mine. It sure was'nt performance. I might have bought a Manum if I wanted that.

Mike has always been informative and as courtious as anyone on this forum

I have to agree with you, Mike has alway's been a great source of information and a very positive influence on this forum. Please don't misunderstand my ranting, it had absolutely nothing to do with Mike. I actually look forward to his input (and many others). That's why I'm here. :smile:

well i dont even have my hhr yet to even post pics but no hating here, i want a woody kit, wit 20in dayton wire wheels if i could figure out how to post a pic i would

Dan
I would not worry what someone else has to say. Your car is your car, it should show off who you are not someone else. IF you like it thats what counts. I do not like the rails on top, but that is not so say I have not seem some that look nice. They are just not for me. I am not one to go and do all kinds of mods money being the main reason why, but that does not mean I do not like looking at what others do. I love check the site everyday to see if someone posted pics of new things done.
So screw anyone that does not like what you do and keep making the car look how you want it. And you better keep posting any new pics
:thumb:

Why would you let someones words bother you? If I post something I do and every single person on this board tells me it looks like s**t it doesn't bother me one bit. Everything I do to my vehicle is for myself and no one else. People are entitled to their own opinions and if someone asks for it I'll give it. Don't post a mod if you expect 100% positive feedback and want everyone sucking your balls saying it's the greatest thing on earth, it's not going to happen because peoples tastes are different. But there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. It's when the attacks become personal that I get upset. Go ahead and tell me my mod looks like s**t just don't start calling me an idiot for doing so. I never realized how many overly sensitive people there were in this world until I joined this board. There is nothing wrong with stating your opinion. What happened to your first amendment right of freedom of speech? By you asking people to keep their mouths shut you are asking us to give up one of our greatest liberties as Americans and I refuse.

http://geocities.com/astiele/
this is my car sorta it will look like this after i get it

looking good ramz28

Man I pissed the owner of this HHR off. :lol: I guess I just have a way with people. :nuts:

And what "way" is that CH? :D

Not a very good one apparently. :confused: He acused me of being a lawyer. :confused: :lol: He is a Chevy hater. :(

He also called the captain an ahole! I was really surprised. I didn't think that Captain Howdy was out of line. But, this running board issue is near and dear to many people's heart. Just my $.02 about the whole thing as I saw it.

Captain, I thought you brought up some good points in your posts.

Yeah, maybe I went a little overboard to prove a point but I usually do. What better way to point out an issue than to over do it. I am an ass but I admit it. I'm just sick of people bashing Chevy over a small percentage of owners with a problem. I love every single one of our American auto manufacturers and it makes me sad when people have to act like that. Americans are disapointed that our economy is going down the drain but they act like that. I realize he's Canadian but there are many Americans participating in the Chevy bashing. :cussing:

hi :D

Oops. :red: :bow:

hi :D

:scared:...MR. B !!!!... :scared:

That look sure is different.
http://geocities.com/astiele/
It's not for me.
However, I do like that it's different than any other one I see on these forums.
That in it's self is why I like it.
I appriciate diversity!

It is possible to disagree without being disagreeable!

It is possible to disagree without being disagreeable!

That is the lesson I need to learn! :red: Thanks mentor Sindy! :bow: :one:

It is possible to disagree without being disagreeable!


holy oxymoron batman :clappy:

Like always expect the unexpected? :confused: :lol:

Like "drinking with the abstainers."

....staying on a thread topic!...

Another one I need to learn. :red: :rof:

Was the topic woody panel kits???

That look sure is different.
http://geocities.com/astiele/
It's not for me.
However, I do like that it's different than any other one I see on these forums.
That in it's self is why I like it.
I appriciate diversity!

It is possible to disagree without being disagreeable!

Possible stick it on a PT cruiser..

:laughabov I totally agree! :rof: :beer:

http://www.filehigh.com/serve/4900/145390.gif

i like your new sig sindy

I second it..

a woman with a spirit from the 60's

You would love Austin, Sindy. This city is stuck in the 60's.

i will be looking into relocating the factory evap components this week in order to run a true split system. i have a friend that works at gm to find out if it will effect the factory warranty or not. will keep all of you updated.

i will be looking into relocating the factory evap components this week in order to run a true split system. i have a friend that works at gm to find out if it will effect the factory warranty or not. will keep all of you updated.
warrenty will most likely be out the window. If GM is anything like nissan i wouldnt do it. i had dynomat in my trunk and they voided my warrenty because of it, warrenty for a leaking trunk in which nissan had a problem and yes i fought it with a lawyer. if you where to have any problems with that stuff i really hope you can move it back to stock when you take it in.

i will be looking into relocating the factory evap components this week in order to run a true split system. i have a friend that works at gm to find out if it will effect the factory warranty or not. will keep all of you updated.

The evap isn't the biggest worry, check the pics at the beginning of this post - the fuel filler neck & line runs along the pass side! Can you say "Light 'em Up!" :D

Have fun (& be safe!)! :thumb:

this thread has been an adventure. It seems like I was time warped back into High School. It started about a strange mod noticed on a car and evolved into everything but talking about the mod. I laughed so hard at CH's rants that when I got to JonyyB's post, I fell off my chair and couldn't get back up. I finally wiped my tears of joy and had to write my part. BTW I would love to get a functional dual exhaust for my HHR. But I am not willing to see if I am combustible first. So I will wait for the good word from Socal.:usa: :twothumbs :rof: :hhr:

I contacted the owner of this vehicle, when I spotted his picture. He had the duals installed by a local muffler shop in his town, east of Toronto. Said he paid around # 350.00 Canadian for the work.
I wonder if he is aware of all the potential hazards he could be running into.

Have to admit though, it sure looks good!!!

It seems possible to run dual exhaust, they make a muffler that has on one side an in and an out, and on the other side just an out. Their is enough room under to mount that style of muffler, just like some of the cameros.

I contacted the owner of this vehicle, when I spotted his picture. He had the duals installed by a local muffler shop in his town, east of Toronto. Said he paid around # 350.00 Canadian for the work.
I wonder if he is aware of all the potential hazards he could be running into.

Have to admit though, it sure looks good!!!

He certailny IS aware. I sent him a very long and detailed email - including the undercar photos posted in this thread, after he sent me the plate pictures. He has never even responded.

Hope he's OK? :confused: