Does anybody know if they make any CAI for the HHR?

I think we need to call around and ask. The car is just comming out so who knows.
I'll look into it

I dont think an HHR would look that good with intakes. I guess if it was tastefully done, it would look nice.

I dont think an HHR would look that good with intakes. I guess if it was tastefully done, it would look nice.

huh? it would be more for performance......not looks.

yeah kar krazie I dont know what your thinking of but intakes are generally under the hood...

~wC

Hello,
Im building a carbon fiber one right now, I should have it done in a few days. I will post a picture.

cold airs are in production josh, i got a call from K&N to use my car for the creation of their cold air but i will not be able to do it!! if your in the california area i can give you their number.. you get a free one for the use of your HHR

cold airs are in production josh, i got a call from K&N to use my car for the creation of their cold air but i will not be able to do it!! if your in the california area i can give you their number.. you get a free one for the use of your HHR

Tell them to come and post a sticky here. Hope they find a car in Cali

they advertised it on their website an di just found it while looking and gave them a call. i have the gentelmans direct number if someone should want to do it!

they advertised it on their website an di just found it while looking and gave them a call. i have the gentelmans direct number if someone should want to do it!

Sent you PM

Hey guys I'm new to the forum, I just traded in my wifes 2002 Avalanche for a Black HHR LT1. And we love it.. I live Southern Cal and I will let K&N use the HHR for a free intake... Let me know the info... I can't wait for this little cars to start getting some aftermarket parts...

Hey guys I'm new to the forum, I just traded in my wifes 2002 Avalanche for a Black HHR LT1. And we love it.. I live Southern Cal and I will let K&N use the HHR for a free intake... Let me know the info... I can't wait for this little cars to start getting some aftermarket parts...
get some pic's of the cai!!

Replacement air filter: http://www.knfilterchargers.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=33-2339

what kind of a change will that make?

what kind of a change will that make?

In terms of what? It your talking HP, its just a replacement filter not a CAI. You might get a 1-3 HP boost because its a K&N but thats all I would expect if anything, nothing noticeable. But seeing as how it is a K&N that should be the only filter you ever need to buy for your vehicle. When they get dirty you just take it out, wash it, and re-oil it. I'll wait to see if K&N releases a FIPK for the HHR and what other CAIs hit the market before I change. :beer:

Will this no intake filter show any difference

It's just a replacement air filter. It is better than stock. The air flows through it better and its reusable. Thats about the only benefit. I'll wait for a CAI at least.

I wouldnt run an oiled filter like a K&N, unless you don't mind cleaning the MAF sensor all the time. The oil from the filter coats MAF and ends up doing more bad than good. If you use one just make sure to clean the MAF, or just run a high quality paper filter.

We are having a CAI proto'd right now. It will use a dry filter with 1-micron filtering abilties. We stayed away from "oiled filters" for just the reason snksknr94 mentioned. Right now it's being designed, dyno'ed and built for production. Hopefully we will have more info in the next 2-weeks. Stay "tuned." (I know...bad joke!)

very punny

We are having a CAI proto'd right now. It will use a dry filter with 1-micron filtering abilties. We stayed away from "oiled filters" for just the reason snksknr94 mentioned. Right now it's being designed, dyno'ed and built for production. Hopefully we will have more info in the next 2-weeks. Stay "tuned." (I know...bad joke!)

Built by who? :confused: Or are you keeping it a secret for now? :D :bow:

Yep. Sorry, but that's the way is has to be until it's finished. I trust all you guys - it's the rest of the Internet I don't trust!

They are definitely a well-respected intake company though.
2-weeks of design with several dyno runs during development.

I'll post more when I can. :thumb:

Big question-will it work on the 2.4???

Actually, it IS for the 2.4 - I mis-posted in this section! (Oooops!)
There will also be an intake for the 2.2L...

when they become availiable will there be a wait or will we be able to order first thing and get it right away or will we have to wait forever

when they become availiable will there be a wait or will we be able to order first thing and get it right away or will we have to wait forever

You aren't going to wait for a couple to hit the market so you can compare dyno charts plus see how they look and so forth? Not all CAIs are created equal! The one I had on my Mustang was all go no show. It was black plastic so it wasn't all shiny like all of the other ones on the market but it had the best performance out of them all. No offence SoCal but I'll wait to a couple of different ones are on the market. :beer:

I gotta wait either way. I got a 2.2L

You aren't going to wait for a couple to hit the market so you can compare dyno charts plus see how they look and so forth? Not all CAIs are created equal! The one I had on my Mustang was all go no show. It was black plastic so it wasn't all shiny like all of the other ones on the market but it had the best performance out of them all. No offence SoCal but I'll wait to a couple of different ones are on the market. :beer:

Werd!

I gotta wait either way. I got a 2.2L

Most of the manufacturers I've spoken with are stating that if people were interested in performance, they would have bought the 2.4L engine. It could be a while before you see HHR specific intakes for the 2.2L engine.

Just my $0.02.

*Edit: An intake for the 2.2L has now been released.

when they become availiable will there be a wait or will we be able to order first thing and get it right away or will we have to wait forever

I'll have my HHR back next week, but product development will still take 2-months or so. They have to bring a prototype to production status, and that includes everything from components to packaging. We have been guaranteed "first shot" at carrying them, so as soon as it's available - we will have them.

In response to other comments; I've been in this industry over 20-years, and have worked with many different manufacturers in prototyping new parts during that time. Rest assured that the company we chose to go with has a reputation of developing high performance products that perform above the levels of their competitors. The dyno charts will tell the tale... :thumb:

More to come...

Is this an actually cold air intake? Not just a chrome tube with a filter on the end, it actually relocates the filter out of the engine compartment so it will get a colder air charge?

Is this an actually cold air intake? Not just a chrome tube with a filter on the end, it actually relocates the filter out of the engine compartment so it will get a colder air charge?

Actually, it will only be a "COLD AIR" intake for you between the months of November-February during the hours of 10pm-6am. Any other time it will be a "HOT AIR" intake! :D (Arizona!)

Aaron - I can't give any more details until the unit has been completed.

The stock HHR intake is a cold air charged design that receives air from the passenger fenderwell behind the headlight. I pleaded with the designers to retain this type of a system if at all possible. We'll just have to see what it works out to. I wouldn't want an "open filter" setup that draws air from a hot engine compartment either. :D

The bottom line is that the dyno numbers should speak for themselves. :thumb:

Actually, it will only be a "COLD AIR" intake for you between the months of November-February during the hours of 10pm-6am. Any other time it will be a "HOT AIR" intake! :D (Arizona!)

Your wrong it like 85 here right now, it hot all the time. :D I just laugh when I see people spend money on a chrome tube that still keeps the filter in the engine compartment.

You didn't read my post:

"...during the hours of 10pm-6am."

Only during those hours! :D

It's gettng ready to break the record for most straight days without rain. record is 101 and we are at 89 I believe. I love this state but I hate it at the same time.

Must be Injen doing it then.....

Nope. AEM (I can say it now.)

*Edit: AEM has since dropped development of their HHR intake. Read on for more info!)

Nope. AEM (I can say it now.)

since you can reveal the developer, they must be pretty well finished. any word on if it's a CAI or short ram? what about power gains?

curious minds want to know...

:beer:

Nothing about numbers will be dropped until it hits the shelves.

Expect 2 more months or so.

Sorry! :(

I'm wanting a CAI or Short Ram for the simple fact that it cleans up the engine compartment.

SoCal. I wanted to order a 1LT with a 5 speed 2.4, but they wouldn't deal with me on the price. So I got a better deal on a show room floor model. Same options as I wanted for the custom one minus the 2.4. I'm willing to bet this is the case with most HHR drivers.

I like my cars very simple with litte factory opeions because I like to add them myself. I absolutely hate stock stereo systems. I also didnt want to pay for foor racks that I'd rip off, or wheels that I'd replace, or suspension that I'd replace, or the fancy chrome package that I'd modify.

See where I'm comming from?

Agreed LayLow....
It's been a couple months since SoCal's last CAI update - any further info on the CAI's??? Definitely interested in dyno #'s, as I can only assume this part will be as much, IF NOT MORE, than the K&N unit :eek: !!!
Updates appreciated!!!
:thumb:

I can only assume this part will be as much, IF NOT MORE, than the K&N unit :eek: !!!

It your talking about right now? It will definitely cost more because all K&N has out is a filter not a FIPK. You can't compare the price of a filter to a CAI.

UPDATE: Both K&N and AEM have hit considerable roadblocks on getting their intakes done. AEM has notified me that their unit will be a short ram now, NOT a CAI!?! We don't really know what is up with K&N - they have had several HHR's in and called me a couple of weeks ago to come in for another test fit but I couldn't make it.

I am currently working with 2 other manufacturers still trying to bring a decent intake to the market. In fact, this morning I'm driving out to have one installed and start testing it. (*This model is also a short ram.) If it runs well, I'll be taking it to Solvang for all to see.

The last and final manufacturer is the most promising; they have the best filtering system and make everything in-house. We are hoping to get them to commit to a full CAI (as NO other manufacturer has so far!), and also to design a new better replacement OEM panel filter for the stock airbox.

Will keep everyone updated as things progress...:thumb:

Sorry Capt'n... thought I read that K&N had a 'true CAI' on the market - my bad:roll:
Thanks for the update Mike! :one:

No need to apologize. :smile:

ANOTHER UPDATE!

See the thread HERE (http://chevyhhr.net/forums/showthread.php?p=34536#post34536) for mor info about HHR Intakes. :thumb:

So when will this be available for purchase?

Time will tell... or will it...??

so it works for both the 2.2 and 2.4?

so it works for both the 2.2 and 2.4?

Currently being tested on the 2.4L.
The 2.4L model should be completed and on the shelves in the next few weeks.

Once it is finalized, a 2.2 unit will be tested.

Any 2.2L owners in the SoCal area (close to Pomona), contact me. (http://www.socalhhrs.com/contact.html)

We need a 2.2 to test and you will get a free intake if we use your HHR.
You will also be helping out fellow HHR owners everywhere!

Thanks! :thumb:

Currently being tested on the 2.4L.
The 2.4L model should be completed and on the shelves in the next few weeks.

Once it is finalized, a 2.2 unit will be tested.

Any 2.2L owners in the SoCal area (close to Pomona), contact me. (http://www.socalhhrs.com/contact.html)

We need a 2.2 to test and you will get a free intake if we use your HHR.
You will also be helping out fellow HHR owners everywhere!

Thanks! :thumb:
how about if they where to send one right here to cincy oh, and i will test it for them. i have an auto and will give them all the information they might need. gas mileage, i can get to a dyno, etc.

Currently being tested on the 2.4L.
The 2.4L model should be completed and on the shelves in the next few weeks.

Once it is finalized, a 2.2 unit will be tested.

Any 2.2L owners in the SoCal area (close to Pomona), contact me. (http://www.socalhhrs.com/contact.html)

We need a 2.2 to test and you will get a free intake if we use your HHR.
You will also be helping out fellow HHR owners everywhere!

Thanks! :thumb:

I guess my 2.4 is out of the question. I'm about 45 min. away from pomona...

Sorry guys, once again:

1) We are already testing the 2.4L - so no other 2.4's are needed.

2) You must be in SoCal, near Pomona for the 2.2L fitting/testing.

Thanks.

Sorry guys, once again:

1) We are already testing the 2.4L - so no other 2.4's are needed.

2) You must be in SoCal, near Pomona for the 2.2L fitting/testing.

Thanks.
was worth a shot.

Sorry guys, once again:

1) We are already testing the 2.4L - so no other 2.4's are needed.

2) You must be in SoCal, near Pomona for the 2.2L fitting/testing.

Thanks.
I have a 2.4L and live in Alabama, would that work?:nuts: :nuts:

I've used these air filters on my '96 Nissan Altima for 8 years, and on a '99 Sonoma for about about 4. They've never caused me any problems on either. Maybe if they've caused someone problems the filter was over oiled after cleaning:confused: . I'm putting one on the HHR at the next oil change that's for sure.:p:

I believe.. send a CGS air intake to me for additional field... testing.. I have an automatic... plus my ECM is already mapped for the increase adjustment for air/fuel.... which I believe I haven't heard anyone else has done that...

So when will this CGS intake in the market? I saw that AIRAID has already produced an intake for our cars and runs right at $200. Suposedly 8hp at wheels and up to 2mpg.
My reasons for replacing the intake would be,
(a) Make it easier to change the air filter
(b) Clean up the engine compartment.

AIRAID looks good installed especially w my blue 3R Racing filter

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/cjkrause/100_0807.jpg
no problems so far

I believe.. send a CGS air intake to me for additional field... testing.. I have an automatic... plus my ECM is already mapped for the increase adjustment for air/fuel.... which I believe I haven't heard anyone else has done that...

#1 - Were you aware you're posting in the 2.2L section! :confused:
This post was to get a 2.2L HHR to test. CGS has already done this now.

#2 - The HHR's ECM automatically adjusts timing and air fuel mixture based on the available airflow. No addiditonal "mapping" is required. There are several things you can modify with aftermarket "tuners" (like removing the neutral rev limiter, the speed limiter, changing shift points, etc.) - but the ECM handles all the specifics a lightly modified engine needs.

You can always buy a CGS intake if you want to improve your performance! :D

AIRAID looks good installed especially w my blue 3R Racing filter

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/cjkrause/100_0807.jpg
no problems so far
Is that 3R Racing or 3A Racing filter?

Do your own research... listening to one opnion isn't enough... The truth is out there!!!!!
Please people don't be misled... the stock ECM will handle general air/fuel mixture and timing to the stock setup.. but now that you have change to a high flow exhaust & now air intake your ECM can't handle those adjustments.... Why do you think in the form to fillout they ask what you've done to your vehicle... because they can make the proper adjustments to the ECM based on the vehicle modifications... here are a few tuners that will tell the same story.... Why do I hear some of you saying your MPG has increased ? ---- your vehicle is running leaner now... (less gas) which in turn is heating your valves hotter than usual...


http://westersgarage.eidnet.org/scprice.htm

http://www.technosquareinc.com/350z.htm

easy now! those big letters are scaring everybody.....

easy now! those big letters are scaring everybody.....
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j/k
had to get this in

It's kind of true. I think for small mods like CAIs and muffler swaps the stock program should work fine even though a programmer can optimize your factory settings to take full advantage of your mods. If you where doing something large like a supercharger them no doubt you are going to need new programming. I had a Diablo Sports flip chip on my Mustang, it had three positions you could change it to. They were factory tune, high performance tune, and custom tune. I had to have the custom tune on my chip updated a few times. The first time I had them program it with my CAI and cat-back setup. Then I sent it back for a retune when I put in a lower temperature thermostat so the fan would work correctly with the thermostat. Then I sent it back for a third tune when I added shorty headers.

your vehicle is running leaner now... (less gas) which in turn is heating your valves hotter than usual...

Hmmmm....then my car would be running much hotter wouldn't it?

Why is is then, that with the CGS intake I'm seeing temps 2-4 degrees cooler than stock?

Oh I remember now; - BECAUSE THE ECM COMPENSATES FOR IT! :lol:

Henry, spend some time in the automotive world will you??? :confused:

SoCal :poke: HVROD then HVROD :poke: SoCal...This is better than reality T.V. :lol:

Ng

Where are the cameras! :lol:

Simmer down now..

Is that 3R Racing or 3A Racing filter?
it was 3A racing after looking at the box

thanks for double checking on that cj!

Also thanks CJ

So when will this CGS intake in the market? I saw that AIRAID has already produced an intake for our cars and runs right at $200. Suposedly 8hp at wheels and up to 2mpg.
My reasons for replacing the intake would be,
(a) Make it easier to change the air filter
(b) Clean up the engine compartment.

Hi Andy! Update: the CGS Intake is now shipping. A full dyno comparison was also done comparing it to stock and the Airaid unit.

You can see the results HERE (http://www.socalhhr.citymax.com/page/page/3473615.htm).

Hope it helps,

Thanks for the Dyno results.
:D With the CGA the approx 8 HP increase and 8 Tlbs of torque is a decent gain:D

Interesting that the Airaid actually lost HP and torque:eek:

Is there any reason to wait on the CGA? My guess is after this test a back order situation will occur!:p:

I can see why Mike is carrying this setup. Now to talk to my Chevy service manager to see if it voids the warrantee .........:confused:


One last question, was the test done with the stock muffler or a different one?

Mike , can I post your dyno chart here, or would that break some unspoken protocol? I'll take it down if you wish. The pic is from Mike's site.


http://www.pbase.com/harpozep/image/61181619.jpg

Thanks for the Dyno results.
:D With the CGA the approx 8 HP increase and 8 Tlbs of torque is a decent gain:D

Interesting that the Airaid actually lost HP and torque:eek:

Is there any reason to wait on the CGA? My guess is after this test a back order situation will occur!:p:

I can see why Mike is carrying this setup. Now to talk to my Chevy service manager to see if it voids the warrantee .........:confused:


One last question, was the test done with the stock muffler or a different one?



Mike , can I post your dyno chart here, or would that break some unspoken protocol? I'll take it down if you wish. The pic is from Mike's site.


http://www.pbase.com/harpozep/image/61181619.jpg



Yes.. post the actual dyno... not the graph you made..

I agree. I would like to see the actual dyno graphs layed side by side or graphed together for comparison.

i would like to see a dyno with the hood closed on both because that is the way it would run in real life.
the AirAid would have more direct air from the grill and hood closed and the CGS would have less with the hood closed

i think the results would be more even at least
till then, i will wait

Yes.. post the actual dyno... not the graph you made..


I'm sure they're being Photochopped right now, considering the colored areas next to the graph subjects. What the dyno charts will contain is anyone's guess... :roll:

I sent an email to AirAid and link your results.. Mike...

You're too late, HV, I did the same last night! Beat 'ya to it! :D

Hopefully we can get AirAid's dyno chart vs stock.

I dont think it is anything like that guys
Mike is not the type to photochop dynos, he sells both systems

when i have seen them do dyno's on tv programs, they always have the hood up
probably pretty standard to help engine cooling

to me, for air intake kits, it just seems you need to have it set up as close to real life as possible and the fan in front would give enough cooling for the motor running to run a short dyno on both setups

No no no, I didn't say anything about modifying the results, CJ...

No way. Just modifying the pics themselves to fit, while staying legible.

Right?

I dont think it is anything like that guys
Mike is not the type to photochop dynos, he sells both systems

He only sells the CGS intake. ;)

You're too late, HV, I did the same last night! Beat 'ya to it! :D

Hopefully we can get AirAid's dyno chart vs stock.

alright.. good.... then they can see the need to respond back..
thanks..

I would like to see the stats. of both intakes done by an indipendant reserch company so there is no reason be speculate if the number are forged. I also couldnt see how they would loose power by upgrading the airbox. I agree with CJ. I want to see the test done with the hood close as it would be in "real life"

alright.. good.... then they can see the need to respond back..
thanks..

Can we assume that you or Tokyo will post their response here as soon as you receive it ??

I sent them an e-mail voicing my concerns that Mike brought up about the rubbing on the hood pad and here was their response:



Thank you for your inquiry. we have not had this problem on
the ones we have installed here.there is an adjustment on this the
AIRAID box should just touch the valve cover and the weather strip make
light contact with the hood pad.


Thanks Bill

Can we assume that you or Tokyo will post their response here as soon as you receive it ??

I sent them an e-mail voicing my concerns that Mike brought up about the rubbing on the hood pad and here was their response:



Thank you for your inquiry. we have not had this problem on
the ones we have installed here.there is an adjustment on this the
AIRAID box should just touch the valve cover and the weather strip make
light contact with the hood pad.


Thanks Bill


I have emailed, and called them.. the person at tech support said they would alert Engineering... I stated to post or provide a dyno chart for their product...

nothing yet..

I would also suggest everyone with a concern to email Air Aid.. and ask Mike to post the dyno or have CGS do it..

No no no, I didn't say anything about modifying the results, CJ...
No way. Just modifying the pics themselves to fit, while staying legible.

previous post and you were refering to this post
Originally Posted by hvrod
Yes.. post the actual dyno... not the graph you made

I'm sure they're being Photochopped right now, considering the colored areas next to the graph subjects. What the dyno charts will contain is anyone's guess... :roll:
Right?

the way you stated, it didnt really point out that he was modifying the pics

He only sells the CGS intake. ;)
i remember a post where i thought Mike was going to sell both and here is the post. so that is where i go that from. he is only selling one but thought about selling both.

I did not start this thread to slam the Airaid intake. In fact, I bought one to test against the CGS with the intention of selling them both. Many online stores sell more than one intake, but after driving them both - it just wasn't worth it for me to carry the Airaid. The HHR runs "different" with it on - and I prefer the way it runs with the CGS instead. The CGS also doesn't require any assembly, and it installs in less than 10-minutes, which is a big bonus for new modders.

So basically, you're pointing out that we would like to see the dyno results. Nice work!

Bill
From AirAid, emailed me..
Stated they stand to the 8 HP & Ft pounds as tested for their product..


I wonder if they will be giving you know who a call soon... for comparison

Bill
From AirAid, emailed me..
Stated they stand to the 8 HP & Ft pounds as tested for their product..


they probably are going to give you know who a call soon...

No problem - let 'em call. I've got the charts here to prove it.

You still have'nt seen their charts - and are only taking their word for it.

How is it you will take the word of the manufacturer over an independent dyno testing facility who was paid to do the job? :confused:

Oh, I know - you own one and are biased!!!

I own both...and paid to have both tested.

I would like to see the stats. of both intakes done by an indipendant reserch company so there is no reason be speculate if the number are forged. I also couldnt see how they would loose power by upgrading the airbox. I agree with CJ. I want to see the test done with the hood close as it would be in "real life"

Get one installed and take it in for the test and then let us know.:D

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I love it!! It also reminds me, somewhat, of my Wife and I!

doesn't sound like there will even be a CGS developed for us because "we're not really interested in performance" :eek:

Performance is not huge with me, but I've just recently gotten interested in making mods...meaning I didn't buy my HHR with this stuff in mind

Im also assuming all of the info posted thus far is for the 2.4...any way to get the dynos or comparisons for a 2.2? Otherwise Im really just guestimating what my horsepower and torque look like after the mods I've made/am making...also is the impact of mods being accounted for in the testing, i.e. mufflers and the like?

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doesn't sound like there will even be a CGS developed for us because "we're not really interested in performance" :eek:

Just a head's up: the CGS intake is listed for both 2.2L & 2.4L engines. I have already heard back from one 2.2L owner who has installed his and loves the power increase (whatever it is!). Works fine. As far as dyno charts for the 2.2L - you're on your own.

Thanks Mike
That makes it interesting. we'll see what happens...if the airaid sucks, there's always eBay! Again, if I get 5 extra horses (from 143 to 148) and some cool sounds...I'll be ear to ear:D

also, you may want to specify that on your website...I don't think obvious to a lot of people, that it works for the 2.2L as well. Just a thought....thanks again-

Thanks Mike
That makes it interesting. we'll see what happens...if the airaid sucks, there's always eBay! Again, if I get 5 extra horses (from 143 to 148) and some cool sounds...I'll be ear to ear:D

also, you may want to specify that on your website...I don't think obvious to a lot of people, that it works for the 2.2L as well. Just a thought....thanks again-

"Now available for both 2.2L & 2.4L engines! The CGS intake system for the HHR is now shipping. We have dyno tested it on a 2.4L engine and found it to add 8hp and 8ft/lbs of torque over stock. As seen on the SoCal HHR at Solvang, this intake WORKS! Mandrel bent tubing is powder coated silver and features a multi-pleated (oil-type), reuseable gauze filter. Looks great, sounds great - works BETTER! This intake makes more power than the competing "cool air" intakes - dyno proven!"

Looks great.