couldn't wait any longer, went to the garage, followed the instructions and in 46 seconds the SS was tuned, and do I mean tuned!!!!!!!!!!!
Went for a short ride, outside temp 64 degrees running temp 199
This tune is UNBELIVEABLE:D :D :D
It doesn't matter whether you have the traction control on or off, when you get into it, the tires just break loose, period. Did some Launch Control starts and it is totally wild. You have to hold on to the wheel, not excessive, but you need to keep it under control. It has to be a much different feeling from what you 5 spd guys are experiencing.
At 40 mph just part throttle felt like what full throttle did at 40 without the tune.
At 40 mph full throttle passing gear lights the tires up, I am not kidding.
The overall power is totally amazing and I only went for a 10 minute test ride.
I can see where under constant use or abusing where the trans might be a problem down the road. Remember back when I did my 0-60 with the DashHawk, my best was a 6.75 The way it felt tonight, I know it is in the
5's, maybe a 5.6 or 5.7 it feels that good.
The response is......just unreal:smile: :smile: :smile:
I know it was $$$$ but the people at Hahn gave us a product that flat out works. For the Auto SS owners who are undecided, I feel that it is worth the $$$$, I know you won't be disappointed, I know that I'm not.........
More testing to come......can't wait for the morning drive to work........

Nice, look forward to hearing more!

I am all ears:bow:

I am tuned in your direction! ;)

drove to work this AM, left the TC engaged and observed the following:

1- part throttle at speed produces 15 - 20 lbs boost, with ease

2- going around a corner and giving it gas, is not a great idea, you could get
yourself in trouble doing this, as it is very touchy. to much gas and you
may do an 180. did this this morning with part throttle and boost jumped
up to 20 lbs.

3- passing gear has seen 23 lbs of boost with no problem

4- have not done any WOT's as the power is right there, to concerned
about the trans, although I probably will do one soon.

drove home tonight with the TC disengaged and the AC on and off at various times.

5- could not duplicate the tire squealing from hitting passing gear at 40 mph
like I did last night, but then again I did that at 9:30 PM and the air was
very cool, so I am sure that it helped.

6- there does not seem to be much of a difference as far as power goes with
the TC on or off, it feels great either way

7- tried using the trans in the "I" range and hit passing gear at about 40 mph,
and boost went to 27 lbs....(WOW) I was shocked

8- in the "D" range and hitting passing gear at various speeds, boost goes to
23 lbs on a consistent basis

9- not being to familar with turbos, I am not used to the sound or sounds
they may make, it seems that when I hit passing gear and it shifts into
high gear, you hear either a slight pinging, or a click. so either the timing
is getting retarded slightly during shifts, or could this be the waste gate
opening and closing???

overall conclusions so far:
this is a great tune, boost is there on demand, nothing at all like the stock tune, where you had to hope it would come out and play. it's here with the slightest depression of the accelerator, the more you press the higher it goes, and this is with only part throttle, up to 10, 15, 20 lbs of boost. in high gear the engine lugs slightly compared to the stock tune where it lugged at 40 and below, to the point where you would stay in "I" to prevent this. Now it is managed better and there may not be the need to use "I" as much unless you are looking for the fun factor. trans shifts are same as stock, but again and repeating myself, when you ask for power, it responds in a big way.
overall much more fun to drive, knowing that you now have power on demand, you just have to hold on to the steering wheel, nothing major, there is some torque steer, but you feel the power in your hands.:smile: :smile: a very good feeling....:D
also good power in 1st, even with part throttle, and when it shifts into 2nd, watch out, it still goes under part throttle, and the more you depress the bigger your smile gets....
the one time I hit passing gear at 70 and was up to 100 very quickly.
well that's tonights report, hope you enjoyed, still more to come in the future, will also try to do some DashHawk testing and maybe the 0-60 run:lol:

Man, you are making me want to blow the $1k the bank just raised my credit limit! lol

Oh MAN..the itch is turning into a rash. That is great news.:thumb:
I'm goin' on holidays with the "best" half this weekend. I might not spend too much on holidays and see what happens when I get back.
I hope the better half sees the "Best" half. It could sway her...to allow me a "Tune".:lol: :lol:

filled up this morning with 93 before getting on the pike, decided to see what gas mileage would be on the way to work, one way 47 miles....granted this is not a scientific way of checking mpg, but it works for me. was running between 65 -80 mph, no stoppage on the highway, the highest I saw on the DIC was 32.8 mpg, at those speeds it brought a smile to my face:smile:
had to make a maneuver around a 6 wheeler in the passing lane, dropped down into "I" and went around him like he wasn't there....power....power:D

on the way home did some more experiements just playing around with the trans, again the boost is there on demand, and it is instant, there is no hesitation whatsoever. mph dropped to 30.2, so in reality if you keep your foot out of it, you will see an increase in mileage somewhat like the 5-spd crowd is getting. we can't let them have all of the fun now, can we????

so I had to make a stop a few miles from home, came out of the parking lot, had the trans in "L", wanted to see what it would do, glad I was holding on to the steering wheel, not knowing what to expect, let me tell you, part throttle, and I mean part throttle, I started to go sideways, I had to back out of it in a hurry, this machine is unreal, the power using "L" I was not expecting. Chevrolet has done a great job and that is an understatement with these engines, and BSR, along with Bill and his group at Hahn have given us a way to enjoy more of the full potential this engine has to offer. thanks to all for making the SS a really fun ride. this is the way the factory should have tuned these vehicles, or at least given us the option to purchase with said tune.

If you are debating on what to do, I am not trying to spend your money, but I would rather see you purchase the tune, before any intake, exhaust, IC pies, etc., not saying that these items won't make a difference, they will, but not nearly the difference that you will notice with this tune.

Now, I am going to make a comparision, and you may say this guy has lost it, but this engine with the tune feel just as strong as my previous 97 C5 LS1, my 04 GTO LS1 and stronger than my 03 SSR. All of those cars had tunes, the only one I took to the track was the C5 which turned a 13.3 @ 106 mph.
This SS feels that strong. Not saying that it is a 13 sec machine, but it feels great!!!!

And no I am not promoting Hahn or BSR, just promoting the tune for what it is, a complete "blast" to drive, believe me, it is totaly wild even if it is many $$$$. once you get it, you will ask yourself, how could I do without it? and that answer will be very obvious. that's it for now, still more testing to be done:D :D :D

And it is now possible to tune the HHR SS for half the price! Awesome power!

And it is now possible to tune the HHR SS for half the price! Awesome power!

if you are talking about HP tuners, yes you are correct, but I am one for sure who would need a large learning curve to figure everything out, not as well versed as most of you guys who tune, so the PPC was the best way for me to go:smile: :smile: :smile:

Glad to see it worked out well Tom! Do you see a consistent 23 lbs. of boost to red line or does it start to trail off as you build RPM's?

if you are talking about HP tuners, yes you are correct, but I am one for sure who would need a large learning curve to figure everything out, not as well versed as most of you guys who tune, so the PPC was the best way for me to go:smile: :smile: :smile:


Not 100% correct as the HP Tuner is available with a "canned" tune!

Then again, just like a Micro$oft vs Linux debate there is a product for everyone!

Any one have the link to the HP tuner for the SS. I could not find it....


George

Glad to see it worked out well Tom! Do you see a consistent 23 lbs. of boost to red line or does it start to trail off as you build RPM's?

it sure has Aaron, running extremely well......yes when I hit passing gear it jumps up to 23 lbs and stays there. the boost is instant and climbs up to 23 lbs, and stays there, but drops when it shifts...still have not done a WOT off-the-line yet.....again the one time it went up to 27 lbs and again that was when I hit passing gear in "I" at about 40-45....will have to do more testing to make aure, after all I want to give you the correct info:smile: :smile:

Not 100% correct as the HP Tuner is available with a "canned" tune!

Then again, just like a Micro$oft vs Linux debate there is a product for everyone!

yes you are right, it is a "canned" tune, but that is only for the 5-spd SS's, from what Andy told me, there is no HP tune available for the automatics yet and it may be months down the road before we see it. He was going to detune the current "canned tune" from HP for my Auto, but I decided to go with the PPC instead. Again, I am sure the HP is a great product, but it is not for me.....

nothing major tonight, semi-wet roads, after the rain, no testing
will get some in this weekend................

Please keep us all updated! I am really interested in the tune but not if it is going to require me to replace the transmission.

Please keep us all updated! I am really interested in the tune but not if it is going to require me to replace the transmission.

Same here! :lol: Learned from my first mistake on my Vibe snapping a rod with a GMPP S/C and it wasn't covered just b/c they didn't install it!!

Please keep us all updated! I am really interested in the tune but not if it is going to require me to replace the transmission.

Same here! :lol: Learned from my first mistake on my Vibe snapping a rod with a GMPP S/C and it wasn't covered just b/c they didn't install it!!

no problem, was out today, normal driving is well normal driving, doesn't feel any different shifting, until you step on the pedal....:smile:
there is definately more power even lightly stepping on the gas. I did play around with it in "L" and it is very responsive in that gear in acceleralation and deacceleration.
I still feel that not beating on the vehicle, but doing the occassioal burst from time-to-time, your trans should live a long and happy life. Even taking it to the track to post a time or two should not be a problem. Now if you are an avid drag racer at the track or intend to do a WOT at every stop that you can, then I do believe that you may cause a problem with this trans, because of its limitations, unless you beef it up.
As I have mentioned before the torque and HP increase is unreal. Repeating myself once again, it is a totally different vehicle to drive:D :D :D
I will try to get a 0-60 run completed this week:smile:

at least I still have 1/2 a brain left, and figured it out in a logical way:lol:
since I am on vaca, had some appointments to keep, figure I will do some minor testing as I already had been, soooooo I am doing the stoplight thing using "D" "I" and "L" at various times. when I started using "I" today, and since I had more room, I was taking the r's up to 3 grand and above. that's when I noticed that when the trans was shifting from 1st to 2nd, it felt like a shutter, or running over a washboard for a split second until the trans shifted. I did it once, I did it twice, I did it three times, and each time the same thing. so now I think this little torque monster is eating up the trans shaft, and I haven't really, really gotten into it yet. now it doesn't happen in "D", or "L", only in "I", so what gives, can't figure this out. and not only that but now I notice when I come off-the-line in these quick starts, the tires chrip after about 2 or 3 seconds when I am moving. mmmmm:confused: and one time I brought up the r's higher in "I" and had to back off and when it shifted, it felt like I hit a brick wall, I mean hesitation and a slight loss of power, it was right there. what is going on??????
then my small but sometimes efficient 1/2 a brain, said to me, turn off the
f****** TC dummie. and I responded and said, ohhhhh that would be the smart thing to do.:lol: :lol: :lol:
well guess what, no problem after that, so it seems that even though the tune takes over the TC to an extent, if you don't keep your foot in it, you give it a chance to do what it is supposed to do, and that is a good thing.
so after I shut the TC off, I did this 1 test on an untraveled road, and used "I", came out part throttle, a little more than usual, and for about 20 -25 feet, I could not keep the SS straight, I could even see the tires marks from both tires in the rearview, after I let off, I was headed for the ditch:eek:
so it seems to me that doing a WOT off-the-line with the TC in the off position would not be the smartest thing to do. you would have to feather the gas, and then once you start rolling quickly do a WOT, and even then I think it will be tough to control. I keep saying that the power is unreal and it really is, and I really think that since "crazysteve" is in the 13's with his tune and 5-spd, I know and feel that I will be there too, very close to his times, it feels that strong.
well that is todays report, I know I don't give you hard data, (still need time to learn the Dashhawk) but I figure just everyday driving techniques, might help you decide if you want to put out the $$$$ for the tune........
as always .....more testing in the future...........:D ......Tom

Tom, you gave me a scare with the first half of your last report :lol:

Haven't got my SS yet and probably not going for a tune, but got to tell you I am thoroughly enjoying your reports. Your enthusiasm and enjoyment jumps off the page, nice job and thanks for taking the time to share your experience. A couple more of these exciting hot reports and you might get me changing my mind about the tune. :thumb:

Tom, you gave me a scare with the first half of your last report :lol:

Haven't got my SS yet and probably not going for a tune, but got to tell you I am thoroughly enjoying your reports. Your enthusiasm and enjoyment jumps off the page, nice job and thanks for taking the time to share your experience. A couple more of these exciting hot reports and you might get me changing my mind about the tune. :thumb:

you think you had a scare, I even scared myself with the first half of my report also:eek: :lol: :lol:
I really appreciate the compliment and comments, not only from you, but the other members as well. I just enjoy driving, always have and now enjoying driving the SS even more with the tune:D :D :D

you think you had a scare, I even scared myself with the first half of my report also:eek: :lol: :lol:
I really appreciate the compliment and comments, not only from you, but the other members as well. I just enjoy driving, always have and now enjoying driving the SS even more with the tune:D :D :D

Arg, wife... will... kill... me...:cussing:

So I emailed Hahn about the tuner with a few questions and here is what was said:

ME:
"I am really interested in the PPC tuner that is now available for the HHR SS automatic however I am worried about putting that much torque through the transmission. I am sure there was alot of testing involved with developing this product but could you please tell me how the transmissions in your tests held up? Did you drive the test vehicle(s) pretty hard? I know you can't warranty the transmission but I just don't want to be replacing it shortly after getting your product? I know GM rates the input side of the 4t45 at 221 lb/ft of torque and with the tune it is going to be much higher. Have your tests shown that the transmission can hold more than the rated torque? Sorry about all of the questions I really want to get your product but I am just worried about how the car will hold up afterwards."

HAHN:
"Yes they were tested hard, and they are still in operation with the tuner today it is a daily driver. As long as your treat the trans right it will hold to almost any amount of power.

Also the torque of this tuner is lower than the GM ‘limits’ "

So I emailed Hahn about the tuner with a few questions and here is what was said:

HAHN:
"Yes they were tested hard, and they are still in operation with the tuner today it is a daily driver. As long as your treat the trans right it will hold to almost any amount of power.

Also the torque of this tuner is lower than the GM ‘limits’ "

Will you buy the tuner based on the one sentence answer??That doesn't tell you anything about the testing procedure??

I won't!!

Will you buy the tuner based on the one sentence answer??That doesn't tell you anything about the testing procedure??

I won't!!

I know what you mean, and I understand both of your concerns including the sentence above. I did not ask the questions that agentsmith23 did and I should have, I probably have placed too much trust in Hahn, but maybe not. I know that they have been around for awhile and have a very good rep in the performance field. But I also agree that there should have been more elaboration on the answer. As far as the torque limits goes, I need that part of the answer explained more myself. It feels like it has tons of torque:smile:
And yes if you treat any trans right, it will last forever or a very long time at that!!! The question is; what is the right way to treat the trans????
I am sure that everyone may have a different meaning for the answer, which could be:confused:
you know it all comes down to your driving habits, and everyone drives different. I have been fortunate enough to have never had any trans replaced in any of the performance vehicles I have owned. But then again, I never beat up on those vehicles either. And I like to go just as fast as the next guy in a safe manner and enjoy the power the vehicle has to offer.
And finally, who responded to those answers at Hahn? was it Bill or Aaron?
I know Aaron is the tech person, and both he and Bill have posted on this board several times......
I have to say that I am enjoying the tune, the power feels very V8ish, not like a 4 at all. see my post after this for more results......:D

As I stated very early on.........I will stay in my wait and see mode.......
Like I stated above the 1 sentence answer from the tuner is unacceptable to me, I will keep my 1000. in the bank for now!!

it seems like alot of members who have the Auto trans or who are thinking about getting the SS with the Auto have many concerns about the Hahn tune. and rightfully so....first, as stated before, I have no association with Hahn in any way other than being a customer and a very satisfied one at that. I really am enjoying this tune as I stated in my previous post. I still have some concerns, which I will get answers soon, as I intend to either write or call and speak to Bill or Aaron about them.
Again I am not trying to spend your $$$$, just giving an average person's(me) perspective on this product for everyday use.

today's discoveries:
since I am on vaca I am getting to use the SS during the day, when usually I am working. So it is giving me more seat time to experiement and experience what the SS has to offer as a vehicle and now with the tune as you all know.

1- the trans reacts different in the "I" position with TC on, TC off, and TC off and in competitive mode, which induces Launh Control everytime you stop the vehicle.

2- it can be very responsive in all 3 settings,although it is more responsive with the TC off rather than on. (see yesterday's post)

3- with a quick start (part throttle) up to 3 grand, the engine will ping slightly when shifting from 1st to 2nd as stated before. when bringing the r's up above 3 grand to around 4 grand, there is no evidence of pinging. I am assuming and only assuming that the reason for this is that at higher rpm's the engine is past the torque peak, and doesn't need a slight reduction in timing to protect the trans, where as at a lower rpm operation, it does. Again I may be totally off base, but I am thinking straight logic here, nothing else.

4- finally had enough room to feel a shft from 2nd to 3rd in the "I" position and there was no evidence of pinging when shifhting at that point.

5- the heat does not appartently seem to effect the performance of my turbo for whatever reason. (we are at or very close to sea level here)
the power and boost come right up and this is with the AC on, (you guys don't want me to sweat? do you???):lol: :lol: :lol:

6- I had some stop light fun in a safe manner, I do not go crazy with other people on the road, or when they are off the road for that matter. But that being said, it is so much fun to get a junp on the vehicle next to you going up to the speed limit or slightly above, and then looking in the rearview, and wondering when they are going to start to move, because it looks like they are standing still:lol:


7- the statement I made yesterday about the tires chirping or laying rubber down 2 to 3 seconds after you pull away has merit and then doesn't.
If the TC is on, you will feel it work if you let off the gas and give it a chance to kick in.(merit) with the TC off, you can still spin the tires a few seconds after moving, because you are careful not to give it so much gas (as I did yesterday and started to go sideways), but then after you are moving, decide to press further down on the accelerator to feel the power, and the torque & HP kick in, because you can light them up as you are actually moving. (no merit)

todays conclusion....I am still glad I bought the tune, as stated before, you may do other improvements, and experience a more satisfying ride, but I still think that there is nothing (without changing the turbo, and more extensive mods) that can compare to the tune. I am:D :D everyday....:thumb:

Wouldn't a transmission cooler help, at least?
Vince

Wouldn't a transmission cooler help, at least?
Vince


Absolutely! From what I can tell, it doesn't even use the radiator like most other automatic cars I've seen. I would love to do this since the transmission is sealed from the factory with 'forever trans fluid' (yea right) which makes it more difficult to change.

I have asked for a more in depth answer and I will let you all know as soon as I find out. I am not sure who was responding to the e-mail but i requested Bill or Arron on this next answer.

I have asked for a more in depth answer and I will let you all know as soon as I find out. I am not sure who was responding to the e-mail but i requested Bill or Arron on this next answer.

that is good, I also sent an email, as I needed to get my info for updates and probably asked for the same info as well.

ok here is what they said in the second e-mail.

"We were referring to the fact that the Maximum gearbox torque rating for the MN5 is 325 lf-ft. We are forwarding this information on to Bill but in your original email you asked 3 questions and 2 were if the transmissions held up in our testing. These cars are daily driven and they are driven hard, we have gone full throttle from a stop for testing purposes and the transmissions have been fine. We haven’t had any issues at this time that is why we have released the tune for the auto trans applications.

Also when we referred to ‘treat the trans right’ it was referring to standard rule of thumb transmission care I.E coming to a complete stop before shifting from reverse to drive, no revving in neutral and shifting to drive, no brake torques ect… Even though this trans is a ‘fill for life’ trans with the added power it would be wise to maintain the fluid to make sure if a change is needed it can be done."

ok here is what they said in the second e-mail.

"We were referring to the fact that the Maximum gearbox torque rating for the MN5 is 325 lf-ft. We are forwarding this information on to Bill but in your original email you asked 3 questions and 2 were if the transmissions held up in our testing. These cars are daily driven and they are driven hard, we have gone full throttle from a stop for testing purposes and the transmissions have been fine. We haven’t had any issues at this time that is why we have released the tune for the auto trans applications.

Also when we referred to ‘treat the trans right’ it was referring to standard rule of thumb transmission care I.E coming to a complete stop before shifting from reverse to drive, no revving in neutral and shifting to drive, no brake torques ect… Even though this trans is a ‘fill for life’ trans with the added power it would be wise to maintain the fluid to make sure if a change is needed it can be done."

encouraging response, but still:confused: on the input shaft rating of lower torque, so I would assume that they would feel that is not that much of a problem as was thought originally. I may do a WOT soon, we shall see..
good work agentsmith23:thumb:

Here is a thought on the torque handling issue...

Without drag radials and neutral drop launches (LOL - in Hanns email reply) I wonder how much Torque related to the input shaft can really be applied to the ground w/o wheel spin on the stock rubber?

Also having the T/C off might actually be better for the trans as the brakes cannot load the trans. With foot controlled wheel spin just maybe the trans could live a while.

I would like to check into the trans cooler idea. It might require the pan to be tapped and a separate pump be installed to circulate the fluid through a cooler if there are no lines available to take fluid from.

Great thread.

Here is a thought on the torque handling issue...

Without drag radials and neutral drop launches (LOL - in Hanns email reply) I wonder how much Torque related to the input shaft can really be applied to the ground w/o wheel spin on the stock rubber?

Also having the T/C off might actually be better for the trans as the brakes cannot load the trans. With foot controlled wheel spin just maybe the trans could live a while.

I would like to check into the trans cooler idea. It might require the pan to be tapped and a separate pump be installed to circulate the fluid through a cooler if there are no lines available to take fluid from.

Great thread.


thanks......the trans cooler may be something to think about in the future. but I think that we are going to be alright, it seems that Hahn did a lot of testing form their emails in the above posts, and they did wait to release the tune for the auto.....so I am sure they were satisfied with the results:smile:

there is none:red:
reason being getting ready to go down to the Jersey shore:thumb:
will be there for the next week, although I don't have a laptop, the place where we are staying has computers available with the internet:D
so I will be on whenever I can, hopefully someone else may purchase the tune by then:smile: :smile:
We are taking the SS, so I will get more highway time on the road, and some more mpg readings. Might even have a few high-speed bursts......:lol:

So far so good it seems. I think the only part everyone is concerned with is the transmission and how much they can take. It's like the F Bodys with 10 inch rears. :((

:bow: BIG HUGE THANKS! I have been toying with the idea of buying the tune? I really appreciate reading your thread as it is making my wallet burn, with your updates. Curious question, if I were to go with all Hann has to offer, does the tune take into account IC and Piping, exhaust, etc.? Do you have any plans to upgrade these items to your car?.......

PS I think we are all awaiting a WOT report.....

i am having major problems here on vaca, with their computer system, probably won't be able to post until I return Friday

figured out I hope what is needed to post here, I have to post to one response at a time.
Computers...........I miss mine!!!!

So far so good it seems. I think the only part everyone is concerned with is the transmission and how much they can take. It's like the F Bodys with 10 inch rears. :((

I understand what you are saying, that is a major concern. All I can say at this time, is that I think we will be hearing some encouraging news from Hahn in the near future concerning this issue. again the tune is wild....:D

:bow: BIG HUGE THANKS! I have been toying with the idea of buying the tune? I really appreciate reading your thread as it is making my wallet burn, with your updates. Curious question, if I were to go with all Hann has to offer, does the tune take into account IC and Piping, exhaust, etc.? Do you have any plans to upgrade these items to your car?.......

PS I think we are all awaiting a WOT report.....

A BIG HUGE YOU WELCOME!!! I am enjoying just reporting the every day driving capabilities of driving the SS as a DD. It is fun to know that you are realizing some of the potential power that these engines have to offer.:D
to my understanding the tune was developed with the above changes in mind either before or after adding the tune.
My plans for upgrades right now would be the addition of a muffler, as I have mentioned in some of the above posts. I want a different sound, similar to the SSR, if that is possible with our I4's. I feel that if you make any other changes, you would need to either dyno or go the track, (or Dashhawk) etc., to realize any additional gains. Depends on what you want to accomplish.
This tune is plenty for me and I am sure for most of you also. when you do just snappy part throttles (in a safe enviroment) and you start to go sideways
(see above posts), how much more power can you use????
I know some members talk about different additions, and that is fine, but if you purchase the tune, I recommend that you just add that first, and then see where you want to go!!!!
I would also consider a change in the air intake, depends on what the setup would be. so we shall see:smile: :smile: :smile:

the shore update as follows: running great as usual, hit the 10,000 mile mark on Friday. the additional weight of another passenger (my wife) no pun intented:lol: and the luggage chairs, umbrella's etc., has no ill effect on the performance of the engine, not that I thought it would:smile:
great driving on the highway, and knowing that when you have to pass doing 60, 70 or above, that a part throttle passing gear not only gets you around the vehicle, but the instant response from the boost gauge puts a big :D on your face.

on another note, the following may be know to some of the members who lurk other boards like myself for the constant flow of information hoping to find something exciting!!!
It seems that Wester's has completed the software for the 2008 SOL GXP & SKY RL with his Hot Tune....(don't know if this tune applies the SS or not, it should but that would have to be confirmed) of course with his tune, you need to either send in your ECM to Wester's or one of his supplying dealers to get the software installed. I had purchased a spare ECM that is good for the 2008 LNF with the thoughts of going with Westers's using the spare ECM for his tune and to switch out to the original ECM if I needed to return to the dealer. But at the time neither tunes were available for the SS Automatic, and as you know, I ended up purchasing the Hahn tune, and am more than happy with my decision:D :D :D
A west coast shop just recently installed the Wester's Hot tune on a 2008 SKY RL and reported how the car would go sideways. I said to myself: "I already know how that feels" :lol: :lol: :lol:
so my point is that there are alot of options becoming available to us as time goes on, and the choices may be harder to make:eek:
but remember one thing, and that is whichever product you decide to purchase, not only enjoy that choice but enjoy that choice in a safe enviromnet.....be safe..........

i vote roll with hahn. they were the first and i feel more comfortable using just one place. that way,one company can't blame the other for poor performance or your car going boom.

i vote roll with hahn. they were the first and i feel more comfortable using just one place. that way,one company can't blame the other for poor performance or your car going boom.


couldn't agree with you more!!! if this was in direct response to the above post, I had purchased the spare ECM back in May before we even knew there was going to be any tunes available. the only way your last line would apply is if I or someone else decided to use two different tunes from two different tuners with two different ECM's, and again I agree with you, better to stick with one tuner, I may end up selling the spare ECM, or just keep as a backup, you just never know when you might need it..........
just pointing out that there are now choices out there, where as before, there were none...............:smile:

Do we know if any of the updates will come with a Race Gas Tune??
That will allow for maximum boost and alot more power for the Drag Racing Public. And with the Tuner on hand can be changed from the Pump Gas Flash to a Race Gas Flash.:one: :thumb:

SSR,

I wanted to say thank you for taking on the task of detailing your results and keeping us posted on the auto 'worries'. I also have an auto, but since it is my only car that can roll under its own power for the next month or two, I was waiting to purchase the 'tune' til I knew more. Please keep us posted because if everything keeps going good I will be purchasing one too.

Thanks,

Cory

I also appreciate your posts on how the Hahn (BSR) tune is working out for you. What makes the difference is that it just doesn't read like an advertisement and you are expressing possible concerns along the way. Please let us know when you have any new things to add.

Thank You...

Do we know if any of the updates will come with a Race Gas Tune??
That will allow for maximum boost and alot more power for the Drag Racing Public. And with the Tuner on hand can be changed from the Pump Gas Flash to a Race Gas Flash.:one: :thumb:

when you talk about "Race Gas Tune", if you are referring to Wester's Hot Tune for the 08, you would have to go to his web site, or give him a call.
I know the Hahn (BSR) tune requires at least 93, but I would assume it would also operate on 92 as well, I know that Wester's Hot Tune is also 93, and I don't know if using a higher octane would show an increase with these tunes.
That is something we would need to ask the tuners.....:smile:

SSR,

I wanted to say thank you for taking on the task of detailing your results and keeping us posted on the auto 'worries'. I also have an auto, but since it is my only car that can roll under its own power for the next month or two, I was waiting to purchase the 'tune' til I knew more. Please keep us posted because if everything keeps going good I will be purchasing one too.

Thanks,

Cory

I also appreciate your posts on how the Hahn (BSR) tune is working out for you. What makes the difference is that it just doesn't read like an advertisement and you are expressing possible concerns along the way. Please let us know when you have any new things to add.

Thank You...

thanks guys:smile: have a minor update coming home from the shore, which will be posted shortly. glad everyone is enjoying the feedback so far, I am just trying to keep it simple, and give you day-to-day results from regular and not so regular:D driving techniques:lol:

home from the shore:( , but we had a great time:D , did not use the SS during the week, as our friends drove us everywhere we had to go:smile:

not to much to update, other than, again, if using "D" once you shift into 4th or "OD" the engine can still "lug" as stated before. Not as bad as when in stock tune, but it is still noticeable, the cure as I have always said is to use "I" until you are at a higher cruising speed.
Also when in "D" and you go to downshift by using part throttle passing gear, if you give it some gas and let your foot off right away for whatever reason, you will notice how fast the boost will drop, of course if you accelerate quickly again, and do the same thing, you will see the boost gauge go up and back rather quickly. and you may feel the sensation of power, no power, power, no power, etc. again, what you may have to do in these situations, is use "I" , meaning actually downshift to "I" and then pass or make whatever maneuver you need to do. And remember, whenever you downshift, always apply a little gas as you are downshiftiing, as it takes a strain off of the trans
(at least it did in the old days), and I have always used this method since.....

raining here, but should be clear during the weekend....I hope:smile:
I will try to do some WOT's and also try to get a 0-60 Dashhawk run....
will keep you posted...........................................

How does the tune work?? What I mean is do you link up to a laptop to get the tune on the programmer?? Is there are part of the tune that specifically controls boost?? I am new to this type of mapping.:poke:

How does the tune work?? What I mean is do you link up to a laptop to get the tune on the programmer?? Is there are part of the tune that specifically controls boost?? I am new to this type of mapping.:poke:

what you get is a programmer, simple to use, believe me , took the PPC all of 42 seconds to load the tune.....:D it plugs into the ADL under the dash on the driver's side. as far as the boost question, it is part of the tune, but I am not qualified to answer that for you, although I would imagine that it is just contained in the overall software package like all of the other parameters that are part of the tune, if that makes any sense!!!:smile:

No body has asked this question yet........and you haven't said anything......


GAS Mileage?????

The GDI LNF PCM uses a torque based model to control the drive train. A combination of torque management, engine torque load, and air load are used to contorl output. The PCM uses engine torque load and air load percentages to derive load values. These values are converted to desired loads used to control throttle angle and the PID based boost controller. The code in the PCM limits boost control to 255 kPa absolute.

In stock form, the PCM uses a variable boost strategy based on an altitude lookup table to determine maximum boost (air load). The PCM has a built-in BARO sensor that is used as the lookup value in the table. This value is constantly updated, unlike traditional systems that uses the initial MAP sensor key-on value for this parameter. Boost is factory preset at 18 - 21 lbs.

The tables that map boost levels are defined as desired air load which is converted into desired boost. Engine torque is regulated by tables that reduce torque based on a percentage of desired vs. defined. For automatic cars, there are additional torque management strategies in the TCM that can further reduce engine torque based on defined power levels.

Clear as mud?

No body has asked this question yet........and you haven't said anything......


GAS Mileage?????

filled up, 493 mileage range
did 29.4 mpg on this tank
have to see what the tune brings when it get installed....

the above info was posted in the gas mileage thread before the tune was installed. after the tune, I posted, but can't remember where:red:

I have seen an increase, if I drive "normally", I can get anywhere from around 29 as before the tune, or up to 32.8 going back & forth to work, just about 100 miles per day. we went to Gettysburg, PA a few weeks ago, and on one stretch of the turnpike (I 76) which happen to be very flat, I was up to 34.6 mpg with the cruise on @ 70 mph. Now of course to continue that mileage, the road would have to stay that flat for the remainder of your trip, and we know that's not going to happen in some parts of PA. also, it's hard to keep your foot out of it all of the time:lol: just to get better gas mileage. after all, you have a tune installed, you want to feel the power sometimes:D
but, if you are looking for a gas mileage increase answer, yes, you will realize that, providing that you use your gas mileage driving habits, yes this tune increases mpg's:smile:


The GDI LNF PCM uses a torque based model to control the drive train. A combination of torque management, engine torque load, and air load are used to contorl output. The PCM uses engine torque load and air load percentages to derive load values. These values are converted to desired loads used to control throttle angle and the PID based boost controller. The code in the PCM limits boost control to 255 kPa absolute.

In stock form, the PCM uses a variable boost strategy based on an altitude lookup table to determine maximum boost (air load). The PCM has a built-in BARO sensor that is used as the lookup value in the table. This value is constantly updated, unlike traditional systems that uses the initial MAP sensor key-on value for this parameter. Boost is factory preset at 18 - 21 lbs.

The tables that map boost levels are defined as desired air load which is converted into desired boost. Engine torque is regulated by tables that reduce torque based on a percentage of desired vs. defined. For automatic cars, there are additional torque management strategies in the TCM that can further reduce engine torque based on defined power levels.

Clear as mud?

Aaron, as usual, you and some of the other members come through with a great detailed response, while maybe most of us don't quite understand all of the technical aspects stated, it does help us to understand a little bit more than before......thanks...........................:D

hello everyone, this is what we all have been waiting for including myself!!!
the first WOT from a a standing stop and the 0-60 times using the DASHHAWK.
Let's set the stage......http://chevyhhr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15402
the above link was from when I did my first 0-60 times without the tune....

Run #1... 6.94
Run #2... 6.75

tonights runs were done on asphalt, @ operating temps (196) without the AC on. full tank of gas, and about 31-32 lbs pressure in the tires....
two runs were done back-to-back and the third run was about 5 minutes later.
here are the results & explanations:
all w/LAUNCH CONTROL

Run #1... 5.87 trans in "L"
Run #2... 5.63 trans in "I"
Run #3... 6.18 trans in "I"

these are very basic tests, there is a technique needed to be learned with the launching of the auto trans, which should be done at the track...

Run #1 was off idle, wheel spin, etc.

Run #2 was off idle, but in "I" selection, which resulted in a better timer, but did not generate as much wheel spin, hence the better time.

Run #3 was with the trans loaded only about 200 rpm's higher than idle, (around 1000 rpm's) produced massive wheel spin, which caused the ESC to come on and light up "ACTIVE" in the DIC. of course if I had better traction and less wheelspin, #3 would have been my best run!!!

The conclusions....again a technique is needed to be developed by the driver in order to produce the best times. Did not look at the boost gauge, but it was right there, more on that later.....The shift from 1st to 2nd gear at WOT was not what I thought it would be, I thought the trans would really bang
2nd gear, but it did not. So my assumption is that it does not put the strain on the trans as much as we thought it would, just my assumption. The LNF gets up & goes, again learning to "Drive" with the new found power is the key

I wanted to get 1 more 0-60 time in before I got home, but could not do, so I did some 70-100 downshift tests, and here are the results....
Trans in "D" cruising @ 70 mph, and hitting passing gear @WOT, causing the trans to downshift, which brought boost up to 23 lbs, then when the trans shifted, boost fell to 21 lbs and stayed there, by then I was doing just over 100 mph, if I kept my foot there the boost would be pegged at 21 lbs, it did not drop until I lifted my foot off of the accelerator. So my point here is, that when I did the 0-60 tests, although I did not watch the boost, it felt like it stayed there, no massive drop, like without the tune in stock form.

Well there you have it, today's report, I made files in the Dashhawk, if I can get them on the computer, I will post them, I may need help on that one , we shall see........:smile:

Another side, note is that the tune has greatly reduced the 0-60 times by over 1 full second, and with more practice, I know I could get in the low 5's.
Not bad at all, wouldn't you all agree to that??????????????:smile: :smile:

Thanks for the continued updates...this is something I'm considering as a post-Christmas present to myself if I manage to pull in enough money in the mean time and I think it will be a safe enough investment on the car.

A couple probably dumb questions - when you say you had the trans loaded at 1k RPM, what does that mean?

How does the I setting help eliminate wheelspin?

How is this installed and what "tuning" is required, if any?

How is this installed and what "tuning" is required, if any?

This particular tuner is a hand held module that plugs into your diagnostic port. It basically saves your old info and uploads the modified info. You can revert if need be.

SSROADSTER Gr8 stuff. Sounds like the tune is well done for the auto.
Now I'm not just getting the itch...I feel the tingle:lol: :lol: :wtf:

After following your thread, am I correct to guess that utilizing the L1 and I settings for the 4-speed auto is actually getting better results than D while using the tune? Also, the Traction Control in the off position, or Comp mode delivers the best results?

This particular tuner is a hand held module that plugs into your diagnostic port. It basically saves your old info and uploads the modified info. You can revert if need be.

That's what I was gathering, so it's like the Hypertech I had for my S-10, but it seems this is programmed only 1 way, so you can't make adjustments like you could with the Hypertech. Still cool, pricey, but cool. The Hypertech was only like $350, and you change your wheel/tire size for the speedo, tire rating for top speed limiter adjustment, change shift points for the AT, etc...

Thanks for the continued updates...this is something I'm considering as a post-Christmas present to myself if I manage to pull in enough money in the mean time and I think it will be a safe enough investment on the car.

A couple probably dumb questions - when you say you had the trans loaded at 1k RPM, what does that mean?

How does the I setting help eliminate wheelspin?

never a dumb question, loading the trans to 1k means I just keep my foot on the brake (brake torque) and brought the r's up to 1k, and then did WOT...

The "I" setting does not eliminate wheelspin, it's just the way I was playing around with the runs, there was no set pattern, just experimenting...

After following your thread, am I correct to guess that utilizing the L1 and I settings for the 4-speed auto is actually getting better results than D while using the tune? Also, the Traction Control in the off position, or Comp mode delivers the best results?

just playing around with the trans......IMO the engine responds better in the "L", or "I" position, rather than the "D", (and again just my thoughts) it seems to be "geared" different than in "D". using "D" gets great response, don't get me wrong, but I think it shifts sooner, although I haven't done a WOT in "D" yet....
the TC is off, and I always use "LAUCH CONTROL" for any tests

That's what I was gathering, so it's like the Hypertech I had for my S-10, but it seems this is programmed only 1 way, so you can't make adjustments like you could with the Hypertech. Still cool, pricey, but cool. The Hypertech was only like $350, and you change your wheel/tire size for the speedo, tire rating for top speed limiter adjustment, change shift points for the AT, etc...

following this thread you have seen that there are different alternatives that are coming from different companies. check them all out before you buy anything, to make sure you get the correct product for your needs....

following this thread you have seen that there are different alternatives that are coming from different companies. check them all out before you buy anything, to make sure you get the correct product for your needs....

To be honest with you, I want the best product with the best gains, regardless of price. If I have to pay more I would rather do that than buy something else b/c it is cheaper and feel like I could have had more if I just spent a little more. It would be nice to have a side-by-side comparison of each of the tuners, what they are each available for, what gains you should expect from each, and what options each comes with.

To be honest with you, I want the best product with the best gains, regardless of price. If I have to pay more I would rather do that than buy something else b/c it is cheaper and feel like I could have had more if I just spent a little more. It would be nice to have a side-by-side comparison of each of the tuners, what they are each available for, what gains you should expect from each, and what options each comes with.

I hear you there!!! As I have said before, I am very happy with this tune, it does all that I want for now....:lol:
The SS drives as normal as it did w/o the tune, but when you get into it, it is a whole 'nother vehicle....
Some of the guys do have HP, but I haven't heard of any SS owners getting Wester's yet. It would be a good comparison, and I am sure more companies will be coming out with their software products soon...

Tom,
Thanks for posting the detailed information on the Hahn/PPC tuner, great review!

Tom,
Thanks for posting the detailed information on the Hahn/PPC tuner, great review!

Aaron, thanks for the compliment!!! glad you are enjoying the read!!!
things are getting more interesting now that GM has included the SS w/auto in the upgrade kit, anxious to see what it entails.....

To be honest with you, I want the best product with the best gains, regardless of price. If I have to pay more I would rather do that than buy something else b/c it is cheaper and feel like I could have had more if I just spent a little more. It would be nice to have a side-by-side comparison of each of the tuners, what they are each available for, what gains you should expect from each, and what options each comes with.

There was a comparison with different tuners in Performance Chevy mag a few months ago. Might want to look for the article to see what these tuners offer and get an idea of what is coming for the HHR. All in all HP tuner would be the best idea but, you would have to either learn it or pay someone to tune your HHR for you.

Automatic with lauch control? Someone please explan.

I read the whole first post like he was driving a manual tranny..and then to shit my pants to see he is driving an automatic!

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!

I need more info on these little rockets!!

Can the auto's now keep up with the 260hp manuals?

-Mike

Yes, automatics have launch control. You engage the brake to use it, if I remember correctly. They'll light 'em up off the line too. I did it on a test drive. But don't bother asking your salesman about it, because most don't know that launch control exists.

Welcome to the boards, by the way.

To answer your question, I would think a tuned automatic would definitely keep up with a stock MT nicely, and maybe take the kill. They're only down 10hp in 3rd gear stock for stock. The 235hp in first and second is what's advertized and talked about, but it's not so bad really.

Yes, automatics have launch control. You engage the brake to use it, if I remember correctly. They'll light 'em up off the line too. I did it on a test drive. But don't bother asking your salesman about it, because most don't know that launch control exists.

Welcome to the boards, by the way.

To answer your question, I would think a tuned automatic would definitely keep up with a stock MT nicely, and maybe take the kill. They're only down 10hp in 3rd gear stock for stock. The 235hp in first and second is what's advertized and talked about, but it's not so bad really.

Nice info and Thanks!!!!

I'm going to drive one of these! Tomorrow if I can!! :D

At least when I roll in with the TBSS they'll know I mean business!

Time for a MPG upgrade! hah.

-Mike

LOL! If you can keep your foot out of it, anyway. The turbo whistle and the bypass valve is addicting. Make sure you do a search on launch control so you know how to play with it on the test drive. Press traction control twice within five seconds to activate competitive mode, put your foot on the brake, floor it, and release. Instant fun.

LOL! If you can keep your foot out of it, anyway. The turbo whistle and the bypass valve is addicting. Make sure you do a search on launch control so you know how to play with it on the test drive. Press traction control twice within five seconds to activate competitive mode, put your foot on the brake, floor it, and release. Instant fun.

Good to know!

I love turbo cars...I've had a turbo miata ('91 with www.flyinmiata.com FMII kit) and a mazdaspeed6 '06.

Nothing like WOT to no throttle and get a good WHOOSH! from the BOV!

-Mike:thumb:

Good to know!

I love turbo cars...I've had a turbo miata ('91 with www.flyinmiata.com FMII kit) and a mazdaspeed6 '06.

Nothing like WOT to no throttle and get a good WHOOSH! from the BOV!

-Mike:thumb:

Oh cool! Good to have some more turbo experience here. For alot of the HHR people, this is a new experience. I have more than many, but I don't understand the deeper parts of turbo theory (like reading compressor maps) myself.

LOL! If you can keep your foot out of it, anyway. The turbo whistle and the bypass valve is addicting. Make sure you do a search on launch control so you know how to play with it on the test drive. Press traction control twice within five seconds to activate competitive mode, put your foot on the brake, floor it, and release. Instant fun.

the SS is running great:D ....but I have never used the LAUNCH CONTROL as AaronSS has stated above....I believe if I were to do that, I would fry the tires in seconds with this tune.....:lol: for most of the testing that I have done, I always use LAUNCH CONTROL, but usually off idle, or at 1000 rpm's or so, I think I will save the above procedure for when I go to the track......
and that may be soon........:smile:

LOL! If you can keep your foot out of it, anyway. The turbo whistle and the bypass valve is addicting. Make sure you do a search on launch control so you know how to play with it on the test drive. Press traction control twice within five seconds to activate competitive mode, put your foot on the brake, floor it, and release. Instant fun.

Have you tried that yourself? I did at the track and couldn't get any traction, then it just bogged out when it shifted.

Seems like a great product from what I can see. I wonder when Crane Cams and Hypertech are going to come out with something. I wish the Tuner was a tad cheaper $499.00. I would have bought it by now. :(

Seems like a great product from what I can see. I wonder when Crane Cams and Hypertech are going to come out with something. I wish the Tuner was a tad cheaper $499.00. I would have bought it by now. :(
Get a H/P Tuner program or get someone local to tune it for you... I got 4 tuners here in Houston and I'm getting mine tuned Sun.

Not 100% correct as the HP Tuner is available with a "canned" tune!

Then again, just like a Micro$oft vs Linux debate there is a product for everyone!

True enough..but one must keep in mind that the BSR PPC option, is not only the most user-friendly, it also involves a tuning approach based upon literally years of working with the Bosch DI system in Europe. Catching up with this extensively tested and proven capability is likely to take more than...overnight ;)

True enough..but one must keep in mind that the BSR PPC option, while not only being the most user-friendly, also involves a tuning approach based upon literally years of working with the Bosch DI system in Europe. Catching up with its capability using new technology is likely to take more than...overnight ;)

Perhaps, but doesn't appear to be the case this time!

I'd agree...if I was willing to throw caution to the wind. I just can't!

LOL! If you can keep your foot out of it, anyway. The turbo whistle and the bypass valve is addicting. Make sure you do a search on launch control so you know how to play with it on the test drive. Press traction control twice within five seconds to activate competitive mode, put your foot on the brake, floor it, and release. Instant fun.

launch control is a joke. it's fun to show it to old school guys and that's about it. including myself,most people i talk to rather just do everything themselves.

I have also found the launch control to be a fun option, but not as effective as a skilled pedal-pusher. But that's not a blanket dismissal, just a perspective comparison. Individual results will vary :)

I have tried it as well...I dont like it either....But maybe something down the road maybe it can be tuned into the H/P Tuners system....We'll just have to wait and see....

hey everyone, some minor items to report to date.....:smile:
almost 3000 miles on the tune and still very happy with it....:D
I have found that with the auto any speed above 60 mph in "D" and then hitting passing gear slightly will result in the turbo to "hunt" as the boost will go up and down, making the SS feel like it lunges. The way to get around this is to either press down more than 1/2 way or fully on the accelerator, or manually downshift into "I" while pressing on the accelerator.
Cruising @ 60mph the rpm's are too low for the turbo to respond as you feel it should,
unless you follow the above procedure.
Any speed below 60mph and a light touch of the gas gives a more responsive reponse due to the way the trans is geared, at least that is my logic behind these thoughts.
Still a blast to drive, do some local driving this AM and as usual a big :D on my face.
BTW....mileage has been really good, getting anywhere from 29 to 31 mpg on a weekly basis, so I am very satisfied with that.......and that is traveling at speeds from 60 to 80 and maybe above for slight bursts....
I know alot has been said about this tune and the other tunes that are out on the market or starting to come out. This tune works for me, even though it cost $$$$ as I have stated before....but I rather have this tune and the fun that goes along with it, than have no tune at all.....
As far as the new mods coming out, sure I would like to have them, maybe in the future, but this SS is really quite quick & fast just the way it is, and I am really enjoying it....and no I don't work for Hahn or BSR, just giving you my thoughts as usual....do you really think MR. ANAL would have it any other way????????

launch control is a joke. it's fun to show it to old school guys and that's about it. including myself,most people i talk to rather just do everything themselves.
Mine is much faster when I use the launch control. I've gooten very good at it. Track times this winter for sure.

In post #84 I stated the following relisted below........

"hey everyone, some minor items to report to date.....
almost 3000 miles on the tune and still very happy with it....
I have found that with the auto any speed above 60 mph in "D" and then hitting passing gear slightly will result in the turbo to "hunt" as the boost will go up and down, making the SS feel like it lunges. The way to get around this is to either press down more than 1/2 way or fully on the accelerator, or manually downshift into "I" while pressing on the accelerator.
Cruising @ 60mph the rpm's are too low for the turbo to respond as you feel it should, unless you follow the above procedure."

I now stand corrected......here's why!!!!

yesterday on the way to work, I filled up with 93, nothing out of the norm you say, well either do I.....other than I have been using the "other gas station" closer to the turnpike entrance, rather than the "other, other gas station" on the way home.....:lol: take note both stations are the same brands, but the "other, other" sells for less and for some reason looks kind of "shady".....let's leave it at that for now.....
so on my way to work, cruising @60mph, and I notice when passing at part throttle, the SS just gets up and goes, like it did before I reported on the "hunting" in high gear with the boost. So I do it again and again, and it responds better and better. Now with a slight touch of the gas, the boost jumps up to 17, 18, 19 lbs of boost instantly, and if I press half way on the thottle, at those speeds, it goes up to 23 lbs. instantly. The "hunting" is gone. Full depression for passing gear above 60mph is as good as it has been like before the report in post #84.
I then starting thinking where I have been buying gas and how many tankfulls from the same station. It then occured to me that the "other, other gas station" must be having problems with their tanks (such as too much moisture in them) or they are playing with the gas selections. Even though they are currently inspected, needless to say I won't be buyiing gas from them any more. I rather pay more and know and feel in the SOMP that I am getting 93 and nothing less.
another side note, my gas mileage continues to impress, not a scientific study, but the DIC showed 32.9 mpg on the way to work, even with the short burst, it came down to 29.7 mpg.....not bad at all...the tune still continues to perform:D
I do need to get to the track....I also want to better my 0-60 time of 5.6 sec (Dashhawk) and try to get a 1/4 mile time as well before I get to the track.....we shall see.....

Mine is much faster when I use the launch control. I've gooten very good at it. Track times this winter for sure.
So explain how the Launch Control works when I use it on the Standard it falls on its face.

So explain how the Launch Control works when I use it on the Standard it falls on its face.

Why is yours falling on it's face? I launch at about 4000 rpms but I don't clutch dump it. Then every shift I make launches me forward like mad. It's a great Funny feeling. :nuts: :thumb: