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Subject: SPO - Bulletin ACC08-030 - LNF Turbo Upgrade Kits for Solstice, Sky and HHR

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To: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, HUMMER, Pontiac (including MD) and Saturn

DESCRIPTION:

The new warranty labor operation code R9224 is to be used for warranty claims on all Turbo Upgrade Kit components for Solstice, Sky and HHR. This warranty code also includes HHR utilizing the Turbo Kit with an automatic transmission. This does not include SAAB products.

EFFECTIVE DATE:

Immediately

There was an email address attached and so I sent a message asking what this was. The reply stated this is an upgrade kit to take these vehicles to 290 hp and more information would be coming shortly. Nice.

This warranty code also includes HHR utilizing the Turbo Kit with an automatic transmission. .

I like this part :thumb:

Let us know what you find out :bow:

This message was released today by GM.

Subject: SPO - Bulletin ACC08-030 - LNF Turbo Upgrade Kits for Solstice, Sky and HHR

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To: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, HUMMER, Pontiac (including MD) and Saturn

DESCRIPTION:

The new warranty labor operation code R9224 is to be used for warranty claims on all Turbo Upgrade Kit components for Solstice, Sky and HHR. This warranty code also includes HHR utilizing the Turbo Kit with an automatic transmission. This does not include SAAB products.

EFFECTIVE DATE:

Immediately

There was an email address attached and so I sent a message asking what this was. The reply stated this is an upgrade kit to take these vehicles to 290 hp and more information would be coming shortly. Nice.

Good news for those who've been holding back due to warranty. Will be nice to see if it's anything other than a PCM flash.

But why is the word "warranty " included in this? Is it a code for tracking purposes for repairs of those that installed the upgrade?
Curious and VERY interested if it doesn't effect the warranty.

Schweet!

But why is the word "warranty " included in this? Is it a code for tracking purposes for repairs of those that installed the upgrade?
Curious and VERY interested if it doesn't effect the warranty.

Owner buys "factory authorized" kit and has it installed by "authorized personnel."

As part of ticket, warranty code is added.

Owner has problem, warranty code is present, and so warranty exists.

Alternately...

Owner buys "factory authorized" kit and has it installed by "unauthorized."

Warranty code doesn't get added to file.

Owner has problem, warranty code is missing, and so owner is SOL.

Owner buys "factory authorized" kit and has it installed by "authorized personnel."

As part of ticket, warranty code is added.

Owner has problem, warranty code is present, and so warranty exists.

Alternately...

Owner buys "factory authorized" kit and has it installed by "unauthorized."

Warranty code doesn't get added to file.

Owner has problem, warranty code is missing, and so owner is SOL.

No No No....this is the operation code we will use to submit warranty claims if one of the parts fails in this kit. Which we know won't happen.:roll:

This message was released today by GM.

Subject: SPO - Bulletin ACC08-030 - LNF Turbo Upgrade Kits for Solstice, Sky and HHR

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To: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, HUMMER, Pontiac (including MD) and Saturn

DESCRIPTION:

The new warranty labor operation code R9224 is to be used for warranty claims on all Turbo Upgrade Kit components for Solstice, Sky and HHR. This warranty code also includes HHR utilizing the Turbo Kit with an automatic transmission. This does not include SAAB products.

EFFECTIVE DATE:

Immediately

There was an email address attached and so I sent a message asking what this was. The reply stated this is an upgrade kit to take these vehicles to 290 hp and more information would be coming shortly. Nice.

I'm still fascinated by the way the subject is worded, and whether or not the ambiguous adjective "turbo" refers to "LNF" or "upgrade." In other words, is this a "turbo upgrade" or some random bolt on upgrade for the "LNF turbo" motor? The latter is more likely, but one can dream...

**EDIT**

Also, 30hp... Stage 1 maybe?

magnuson-moss act
check it out
Stop worrying about your warranty, have fun with your car...
do the after market stuff!
make it hot!
and then when Chevy dealerships come at you tell em
"read it and wee..no better yet read it and fix that sh*t!"
glad i could help!


*have you ever seen a chevy with the butterfly doors? i have...i own one:)

Do you have the cash to take GM to court on that? I sure don't...

Not that I care anyway, but I'm sure that's how those who do feel.

I'm still fascinated by the way the subject is worded, and whether or not the ambiguous adjective "turbo" refers to "LNF" or "upgrade." In other words, is this a "turbo upgrade" or some random bolt on upgrade for the "LNF turbo" motor? The latter is more likely, but one can dream...

**EDIT**

Also, 30hp... Stage 1 maybe?

Answer to my first email asking what this meant:

This is for a kit that we are getting ready to release for the Sky Redline, Solstice GXP, HHR SS, Cobalt SS, and Ion Redline. It will be a turbo upgrade kit for all of the 2.0l Turbo LNF engines. It will raise the HP on these cars from 260-290hp. Keep watching for the release.

I then asked was this stage 1 and would other stages be released?

The email answer back was:

There is only one stage planned at this point.

magnuson-moss act
check it out
Stop worrying about your warranty, have fun with your car...
do the after market stuff!
make it hot!
and then when Chevy dealerships come at you tell em
"read it and wee..no better yet read it and fix that sh*t!"
glad i could help!


*have you ever seen a chevy with the butterfly doors? i have...i own one:)


easier said then done......... son has a uplander, that under warranty that GM didnt have a fix for...... now that they do...... still having issues with GM....

BUT I SURE WISH IT WAS THAT EASY

magnuson-moss act
check it out
Stop worrying about your warranty, have fun with your car...
do the after market stuff!
make it hot!
and then when Chevy dealerships come at you tell em
"read it and wee..no better yet read it and fix that sh*t!"
glad i could help!


*have you ever seen a chevy with the butterfly doors? i have...i own one:)

Dealers wont' be the final say on denial of warranty. GM and their 500 attorneys will be. Dealers will submit for indemnification and GM will then take over from there. Also once a customer retains an lawyer dealers must stop all work and the vehicle gets parked on the back lot or the customer picks it up. Then maybe a couple of years later it gets settled.

Answer to my first email asking what this meant:

This is for a kit that we are getting ready to release for the Sky Redline, Solstice GXP, HHR SS, Cobalt SS, and Ion Redline. It will be a turbo upgrade kit for all of the 2.0l Turbo LNF engines. It will raise the HP on these cars from 260-290hp. Keep watching for the release.

I then asked was this stage 1 and would other stages be released?

The email answer back was:

There is only one stage planned at this point.

**EDIT** I need to watch my mouth.

Dealers wont' be the final say on denial of warranty. GM and their 500 attorneys will be. Dealers will submit for indemnification and GM will then take over from there. Also once a customer retains an lawyer dealers must stop all work and the vehicle gets parked on the back lot or the customer picks it up. Then maybe a couple of years later it gets settled.


Thanks, ChevyMgr....

This is the idea I tried to express many times, when people quote the MM Act. IT IS NOT THE BIBLE.

As I stated in another thread and post...I've represented GM in a specific situation as you described above and that is exactly what happened. Additionally when the claimant/owner pursued the matter even further, GM seized the vehicle under court order, as evidence. It took about a year and GM won. Remember, you're probably making payments, or filing banruptcy, while GM has your vehicle.

If you win the case, you'll be smiling handsomely. But if you loose you will be poorer and/or SOL.


I'm not saying it happens frequently.....but it does happen. Why take the chance because the odds are not in your favor.

Just food for thought for the "Jesus freeks" that preach the MM Act and for those people that wish to believe the "gossip interpetation" without checking what it absolutely entails.

No No No....

I wasn't THAT far off to get _3_ "no's"... :( :( :(

I wasn't THAT far off to get _3_ "no's"... :( :( :(

Sorry, my daughter just turned 12 yesterday and I hate that she has grown up too fast. I was reverting back to some of my first conversations with her. You know she would do something and I would say no No NO!!! I even bought her a T-Shirt when she was a toddler that said "I Think My Name Is No No"

Please let us know when this "upgrade" is released since I will be first in line to get it, assuming the cost is not unreasonable. I am geeked that I can soon get an additional 30hp and keep my warranty.


SPPD

Sorry, my daughter just turned 12 yesterday and I hate that she has grown up too fast. I was reverting back to some of my first conversations with her. You know she would do something and I would say no No NO!!! I even bought her a T-Shirt when she was a toddler that said "I Think My Name Is No No"

PM me your address and I'll send you my 12-year-old... she knows everything ("I know, daaaddd!"). That way you can have twice the fun (and I can have zero). Based on my rattletrap ride home from work today, I may throw in a free HHR SS.

Please let us know as soon as you have pricing! And do you know if this is just a tune or is any hardware actually upgraded? Thanks for sharing this fantastic news!!!

magnuson-moss act
check it out
Stop worrying about your warranty, have fun with your car...
do the after market stuff!
make it hot!
and then when Chevy dealerships come at you tell em
"read it and wee..no better yet read it and fix that sh*t!"
glad i could help!


*have you ever seen a chevy with the butterfly doors? i have...i own one:)


Went through it with GM on my Vibe, added, GMPP S/C, engine rod snapped, took it to dealer, dealer refused warranty. Went all the way up to GM, they said if it is indeed a GMPP AND was installed by an authorized installer, THEN it is covered, if not, you my friend are assed out! $900 and some hrs work later I had a new/used engine with less miles than mine had on it (22k!). I had to by the engine from a CorollaS at a local yard and un/install it myself. They would not touch it under warranty.

Could you please also inquire about the HP and torque ratings on the auto.

Thanks!!

Could you please also inquire about the HP and torque ratings on the auto.

Thanks!!

My thoughts as well. You can't take 260hp to 290 when you don't have 260 to start with.

So 235 to what?

Very interested. I've heard the PCM flash associated with this upgrade eliminates the current 255 kPa code limit, thus allowing for control of greater than 22.5 psi boost. :bow:

Opens up some interesting possibilities eh?

Very interested. I've heard the PCM flash associated with this upgrade eliminates the current 255 kPa code limit, thus allowing for control of greater than 22.5 psi boost. :bow:

Correct assumption. They themselves would have to eleminate the ristrictions. I have a feeling that it's a Program, Piping, and Filter change. Should cost about $600.

Correct assumption. They themselves would have to eleminate the ristrictions. I have a feeling that it's a Program, Piping, and Filter change. Should cost about $600.

They'll need some kind of piping change as the plastic one leading into the intercooler looks to be a weak point (also the non-clamp clamps they're using are as cheezy as they get).

I can see some nice options with the 255 kPa cap removed, then the Hahn tune as a new baseline and then the HPC on top of that to do your own mods from there. Gets expensive, but a nice tune could be had.

Looks like this will be a "High Pressure Fuel System" upgrade with a different fuel rail assy. and a few other minor pieces. I have a few part numbers but almost no real information. Stay tuned.

Looks like this will be a "High Pressure Fuel System" upgrade with a different fuel rail assy. and a few other minor pieces. I have a few part numbers but almost no real information. Stay tuned.


That surprises me as the current fuel system is in the 1200+ PSI range.

Looks like this will be a "High Pressure Fuel System" upgrade with a different fuel rail assy. and a few other minor pieces. I have a few part numbers but almost no real information. Stay tuned.

This surprises me also. Injector duty cycle's are currently super low, leaving plenty of head room. From what I've seen so far, the stock fuel system has no issues keeping up with the current 255 kPa limit.

good news finally a stage kit, too bad there may only be one stage because a spokesman said that once you hit 300hp you are approaching the limit of the f35 tranny... gay!

approaching the limit of the f35 tranny... gay!

F23?

coulda swore the manual was f35
maybe im wrong either way it has its limit

Looks like this will be a "High Pressure Fuel System" upgrade with a different fuel rail assy. and a few other minor pieces. I have a few part numbers but almost no real information. Stay tuned.
I would pay for that as well. trust me that is a great start

good news finally a stage kit, too bad there may only be one stage because a spokesman said that once you hit 300hp you are approaching the limit of the f35 tranny... gay! So in other words a tranny parts upgrade? Nice move as well.

This surprises me also. Injector duty cycle's are currently super low, leaving plenty of head room. From what I've seen so far, the stock fuel system has no issues keeping up with the current 255 kPa limit.

Fuel Pump might not handle it though. :)

So in other words a tranny parts upgrade? Nice move as well.

Huh?

Fuel Pump might not handle it though. :)

Huh?

Huh?



Huh?

Upgrades to the transmission to strengthen it because the stock transmissions will burn up

Fuel pumps also need to supposrt the power levels. Im sure a nice 255gph would be a great idea for pump upgrades and for future HP levels.


Have you not known about the needs in those areas?

We have enough fuel...walbro wishes it could make the flow we have :bow:

The HHR runs over 2000psi at times.

LMAO, we have more speculators on this thread than they have on Wall Street. Patience is a virtue guys. This is more fun than watching my kids try guess Christmas presents.

LMAO, we have more speculators on this thread than they have on Wall Street. Patience is a virtue guys. This is more fun than watching my kids try guess Christmas presents.

Hopefully they will have a version for the Automatic based HHR SS that will be reasonably priced. Even something as a simple "tune" to reflash without any other mods would be awesome. We just hope to hear something soon so we know what to ask for Christmas!

Robert

Hopefully they will have a version for the Automatic based HHR SS that will be reasonably priced. Even something as a simple "tune" to reflash without any other mods would be awesome. We just hope to hear something soon so we know what to ask for Christmas!

Robert

:D :thumb:

I had a guy tell me he knew a guy who said that the turbo upgrade will give 300 horsepower to all SS's because it will be a small jet turbine engine that will mount where the existing tail pipe is and it will be safe for both transmissions because it will not put any power through the tranny because it will provide power through jet thrust. The only drawback is that you wont have reverse and the car will require JP-5 fuel. I also heard that it will have thrust vectoring to increase handling through the mach 9 turns.

Additionally I heard that thiss will all be under 19.99 and can be bought on e-bay from the same guy who sells the tornado thingy since he will be the only authorized dealer through GM.

I cant wait.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

:D :lol: :D :one:

SPPD

Note: this was posted all in fun.

Upgrades to the transmission to strengthen it because the stock transmissions will burn up

Fuel pumps also need to supposrt the power levels. Im sure a nice 255gph would be a great idea for pump upgrades and for future HP levels.


Have you not known about the needs in those areas?

I am aware of the limitations of both the manual and auto transmissions. It seems unlikely to mee that a "stage kit" that advertises a power increase would include transmission parts (such as????) since that wouldn't actually increase power.

As for needing more fuel... you need to do some research on how the ECO handles its fuel pressure needs. At max load, the chain-driven pump can EASILY produce 1800psi. As ADM says... "Walbro wishes it could make the flow we have."

Just a ChevyMgr is, I too am enjoying the wild (and I mean WILD when people start talking about transmission changes) speculation. It's going to be a flash to the computer, and maybe a hard part or 2 so the buyer feels like they got something for their money.

I had a guy tell me he knew a guy who said that the turbo upgrade will give 300 horsepower to all SS's because it will be a small jet turbine engine that will mount where the existing tail pipe is and it will be safe for both transmissions because it will not put any power through the tranny because it will provide power through jet thrust. The only drawback is that you wont have reverse and the car will require JP-5 fuel. I also heard that it will have thrust vectoring to increase handling through the mach 9 turns.

Additionally I heard that thiss will all be under 19.99 and can be bought on e-bay from the same guy who sells the tornado thingy since he will be the only authorized dealer through GM.

I cant wait.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

:D :lol: :D :one:

SPPD

Note: this was posted all in fun.

I heard the same thing from my sisters husband's best friends cousin's father in law's second cousin twice removed.

So it must be real :nuts:

I am aware of the limitations of both the manual and auto transmissions. It seems unlikely to mee that a "stage kit" that advertises a power increase would include transmission parts (such as????) since that wouldn't actually increase power.

As for needing more fuel... you need to do some research on how the ECO handles its fuel pressure needs. At max load, the chain-driven pump can EASILY produce 1800psi. As ADM says... "Walbro wishes it could make the flow we have."

Just a ChevyMgr is, I too am enjoying the wild (and I mean WILD when people start talking about transmission changes) speculation. It's going to be a flash to the computer, and maybe a hard part or 2 so the buyer feels like they got something for their money.

Yeah, I don't think a stage upgrade would include transmission work. Opening up and beefing up parts on the tranny would cost big bucks (close to $1000 as a guess).

I am aware of the limitations of both the manual and auto transmissions. It seems unlikely to mee that a "stage kit" that advertises a power increase would include transmission parts (such as????) since that wouldn't actually increase power.

As for needing more fuel... you need to do some research on how the ECO handles its fuel pressure needs. At max load, the chain-driven pump can EASILY produce 1800psi. As ADM says... "Walbro wishes it could make the flow we have."

Just a ChevyMgr is, I too am enjoying the wild (and I mean WILD when people start talking about transmission changes) speculation. It's going to be a flash to the computer, and maybe a hard part or 2 so the buyer feels like they got something for their money.

Damn I didn't know. Im still thinking LSX engine .LOL Forgive me :bow:

Ditto on the earlier post for the auto trans - if 260 goes to 290, does 235 go to 265? Or...to 290 as well? If it could jump to 290 as well and be equal to the manual, I'd drop the money immediately. (Well past the point of wishing I would have just got the stick and learned to drive the damn thing.) Looking forward to any news...

McCain and Obama, both support an upgrade for the SS, but only if they don't have to bail out Chevy, for making shady investments overseas.....oh wait, my car was made in Mexico.. too late:cool:

wouldn't it be easier to take the SS body and stick it on a corvette frame, than having to guess what and when Chevy will release a "tune". I really wouldn't be suprised if Chevy got a HRC Tune and retarded it a little for their own needs....

wouldn't it be easier to take the SS body and stick it on a corvette frame,

No.

No.

Not so fast, there, ChevyMgr...

http://www.motherlodecorvettes.com/images/ugly.jpg

Not so fast, there, ChevyMgr...





It's the rims that make the car. I've now seen it all!!!

I was at So Cal Speed shop a few days ago......looks like they have an HHR SS "Stage I" install just about finished.

ChevyMgr have you had any luck trying to find out what the specs will be for the autos?

Thanks!

ChevyMgr have you had any luck trying to find out what the specs will be for the autos?

Thanks!

No further news yet.

Hey guys here is an e-mail i just got from GM Performance Parts.:thumb:
Looks like 2 months till this part# is good. Good luck to all!!:D
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The part number is 19212670 and they will be released in the next 2 monthes.


Aaron Allison
General Motors Performance Parts DRE
(810) 606-2873
aaron.allison@gm.com


"Jeffrey Brown" <jbrown@billheard.com>
09/19/2008 08:32 AM
To <aaron.allison@gm.com>
cc
Subject LNF Turbo Upgrade Kits for Solstice, Sky and HHR







Aaron

Do you have a part# for the turbo upgrade kit on the HHR at this time? If not do you have a time frame for the release of the kit.

Thank You


JEFF BROWN
CADILLAC SERVICE CONSULTANT
3615 BILL HEARD PARKWAY
COLUMBUS, GA. 31908
706-653-5821

Here is the latest update on these stage kits.

The 19212670 is the part number for the manual transmission stage kit. Nobody will say whats in it, but horsepower goes to 315hp @ 4800 rpm.

No part number for the auto transmission stage kit yet. Horsepower will go to 290hp @ 5200 rpm.

And as stated by jookster somewhere around 2 months before they are released.

This information comes from GMSPO (GM Parts).

:-o

315hp... that makes me almost not care what the kit consists of. It's covered by warranty, and I'll be able to talk smack to Mustang drivers about my little 2.0.

:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Good news for those who've been holding back due to warranty. Will be nice to see if it's anything other than a PCM flash.

Excellent news

Excellent news

No doubt.....Be intresting to see what it consists of?:thumb: :cool:

No part number for the auto transmission stage kit yet. Horsepower will go to 290hp @ 5200 rpm.


:nuts: Sounds good :nuts: Now we just need a price :thumb:

:nuts: Sounds good :nuts: Now we just need a price :thumb:True. 30 HP better not cost alot on a turbod vehicle

True. 30 HP better not cost alot on a turbod vehicle

If what ChevyMGR says is true its looking more like 55 HP... I'm thinking $900 but that is a wild guess does anyone know what the stage 1 kits cost for the 07' and older Cobalt SS / SC??

…..does anyone know what the stage 1 kits cost for the 07' and older Cobalt SS / SC??

Stage 1 - $385
Stage 2 - $525
Stage 3 - $695

I'm guessing the LNF stage 1 kit will list for $850.

Here's my guess...

http://images.ebsco.com/siegel/g63007.jpg

Stage 1 - $385
Stage 2 - $525
Stage 3 - $695

I'm guessing the LNF stage 1 kit will list for $850.

Whats your guess on what it will include?

$850 is alot of cheddar for a new PCM.

Maybe injectors/exhaust/BOV/??

I would guess a new CAI pipe and filter as well as IC pipe, anyone think a new wastegate?? or BOV??

I would guess a new CAI pipe and filter as well as IC pipe, anyone think a new wastegate?? or BOV??

Incoming air is already cold and sufficient. The only fears GM should have about additional boost is the cold-side downpipe assy that leads to the inlet side of the IC (since the stock piece seems to break fairly easily-- mine broke the "clamp" at the elbow hose leading to the IC).

From the Solstice Forum... a bit of a long read, but some good info:

http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/f63/gm-stage-kit-info-senior-engineering-manager-gm-48690/

The good stuff copied from the Solstice forum:

"The Californa Air Resources Board (CARB) published a CARB cert for this tune today. It was executed on Aug 22nd. This means that this tune will be 50 state legal, does in fact exist, and is probably close to release.

From the cert:

"The LNF Turbocharged Ecotec Upgrade Kit includes a calibration update, two mass air flow/intake air temperature sensors (TMAP sensors) to replace the stock manifold absolute pressure sensor and the TMAP sensor, and installation hardware."

The hardware part number is 12626990.

The calibration part numbers are:

2007 auto trans : 12625958
2007 manual trans : 12625959
2008 auto trans without electronic vacuum pump for brake assist : 12625952
2008 manual trans without electronic vacuum pump for brake assist : 12625954
2008 auto trans with electronic vacuum pump for brake assist : 12625951
2008 manual trans with electronic vacuum pump for brake assist : 12625953

2008 chevy hhr auto trans : 12625956
2008 chevy hhr manual trans : 12625957
2008 chevy cobalt manual trans : 12625955


There are no performance numbers issued with this as CA is just certifying emissions."

2008 auto trans without electronic vacuum pump for brake assist : 12625952
2008 manual trans without electronic vacuum pump for brake assist : 12625954
2008 auto trans with electronic vacuum pump for brake assist : 12625951
2008 manual trans with electronic vacuum pump for brake assist : 12625953


And this is interesting news for the brake boost issues.

I suspect I'll pony up the dollars for this kit when available so I can get the MAPS and TMAP sensors that read past 255Kpa so I can set the stage for more boost with a more spin-happy turbo unit.

I guess I just eat the BSR tune since it's (supposedly) locked to the VIN. If you're in the Bay area and want to discuss this supposition, shoot me a PM.

I suspect I'll pony up the dollars for this kit when available so I can get the MAPS and TMAP sensors that read past 255Kpa so I can set the stage for more boost with a more spin-happy turbo unit.


My thoughts exactly.

Bump For Updates! :D

No updates from me,,un-bump....

I asked my friend at Henna here in Austin about it the other day, and nothing concrete so far to his ears either. The CARB cert is definitely encouraging though.

No updates from me,,un-bump....

Here is the latest update on these stage kits.

The 19212670 is the part number for the manual transmission stage kit. Nobody will say whats in it, but horsepower goes to 315hp @ 4800 rpm.

No part number for the auto transmission stage kit yet. Horsepower will go to 290hp @ 5200 rpm.

And as stated by jookster somewhere around 2 months before they are released.

This information comes from GMSPO (GM Parts).

Stil nothing as of yet?

I asked my dealer (in Canada) to check on the kit and he responded that it wasn't ready "yet". Probably doesn't mean much, but at least when it does become available it looks like it will be offered in Canada.

J

Here is the latest update on these stage kits.

The 19212670 is the part number for the manual transmission stage kit. Nobody will say whats in it, but horsepower goes to 315hp @ 4800 rpm.

No part number for the auto transmission stage kit yet. Horsepower will go to 290hp @ 5200 rpm.

And as stated by jookster somewhere around 2 months before they are released.

This information comes from GMSPO (GM Parts).

Stil nothing as of yet?


I guess there is a reason for everything. I will see what the y hand out and how much it cost.

So is it confirmed they will make a stage kit for the Auto Trans? I know many have commented on the Auto Trans not being as strong as the manual so I am wondering what kind of stress bumping from 235/250HP to 290HP would put on the HHR. I hope it comes available because I would love to have the added power.

I am waiting for the factory upgrade for the auto trans as well. Hope they get it out before winter comes.

So is it confirmed they will make a stage kit for the Auto Trans? I know many have commented on the Auto Trans not being as strong as the manual so I am wondering what kind of stress bumping from 235/250HP to 290HP would put on the HHR. I hope it comes available because I would love to have the added power.

I can't say 100% if it is confirmed, but since my dealer checked on it and he knows I have an auto - i'm assuming that it will be on its way.

As for timing, with the General who knows?:confused:

So is it confirmed they will make a stage kit for the Auto Trans? I know many have commented on the Auto Trans not being as strong as the manual so I am wondering what kind of stress bumping from 235/250HP to 290HP would put on the HHR. I hope it comes available because I would love to have the added power.

See post #72

Any updates on the stage kits??????

:nuts: Xmas is coming!!:thumb:

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/01/sema-preview-pontiac-solstice-gxp-coupe-concept/

This mentions the stage 2 kit for the Solstice.

Now that SEMA is upon us, does anyone have any update on the HHR SS stage 1 kit? I would love to get this purchased/installed before Christmas.

INSIDER INFO

GM's Windsor transmision plant (the plant that builds the auto) has a Black SS in their Dyno lab as we speek doing trany swaps and testing..... Could this SS have a stage kit? I am egarly awaiting some inside info.

INSIDER INFO

GM's Windsor transmision plant (the plant that builds the auto) has a Black SS in their Dyno lab as we speek doing trany swaps and testing..... Could this SS have a stage kit? I am egarly awaiting some inside info.

Keep us updated.

INSIDER INFO

GM's Windsor transmision plant (the plant that builds the auto) has a Black SS in their Dyno lab as we speek doing trany swaps and testing..... Could this SS have a stage kit? I am egarly awaiting some inside info.


so would that mean the auto would get a new trans with the stage kit?

I talked to a GM rep at SEMA.

Release date 1st quarter of 2009.

Reason is that they want to release 07,08, & 09 all at one time.
All that they're waiting for is the CARB paperwork for the 2009.
Everything is done, & ready to go.

Only a Stage 1 kit for the TC cars. No Stage 2 or 3 ,will ever happen.

They will 'lock' the program the best that they can do, as they don't want
anyone changing anything in the program.

The rep that I talked to didn't know if the 'program' raises the 255kpa limit.

so would that mean the auto would get a new trans with the stage kit?

No, way too expensive.

No news yet but I assune if that is the reason the car is in there it is to test the durability of the trans. Maybe some news on monday.

oh i cant wait

ChevMgr can you push some alien buttons and get GM to hurry this up...

Before they go broke:eek: :eek:

Will we see this before the end of the year ???

I asked my top advisor on all worldly things and here is what I got.

Magic Eight Ball
Question: Will the HHR Turbo stage kit come out before the new year?
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Well that tears it!!!!

Better check the batteries in that thing...this isn't something that can be put off till next year..!!

While we're waiting on GM to produce, here's some more product info from SEMA (I can only imagine what the finger gestures represent).

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/11/medium_3011371274_4a7ede1d82_o.jpg


And on an unrelated note, I've suddenly had an urge to add a NOS setup to the LNF. :eek:

And on an unrelated note, I've suddenly had an urge to add a NOS setup to the LNF. :eek:

Good thing there was a fire extinguisher behind them. Probably came in handy.

Sorry boys seems like the SS in the Dyno lab in the trans plant is just rutine testing.

While we're waiting on GM to produce, here's some more product info from SEMA (I can only imagine what the finger gestures represent).

And on an unrelated note, I've suddenly had an urge to add a NOS setup to the LNF. :eek:

Some sort of sandwich I assume.:cool:

While we're waiting on GM to produce, here's some more product info from SEMA (I can only imagine what the finger gestures represent).

And on an unrelated note, I've suddenly had an urge to add a NOS setup to the LNF. :eek:

I'll take the one on the left. :D

Not sure if someone has posted a link yet but some more good info over at the solsticeforum:

http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/f63/gm-stage-ii-kit-review-52407/

Happy reading.

I'll take the one on the left. :D

I'll (reluctantly) take the one on the right.

While we're waiting on GM to produce, here's some more product info from SEMA (I can only imagine what the finger gestures represent).

And on an unrelated note, I've suddenly had an urge to add a NOS setup to the LNF. :eek:

THANK YOU FOR EDUCATING ME!

All this time I though NOS was some chemical you put in the car to make it run faster.

Pep Boys move over, here come the NOS Girls! :thumb:

Why is this thread in General now?

I read on the Cobalt forum the price is 800 Retail, but one site had it for 695.

I read on the Cobalt forum the price is 800 Retail, but one site had it for 695.

What is $800/$695? Is there a stage kit out for the Cobalt now?? If so, what does it include?

Why is this thread in General now?

Maybe post #102 did it. I think I originally put it in the SS forums, but I don't remember.

I read on the Cobalt forum the price is 800 Retail, but one site had it for 695.

I say $508.13 and my guess is as bad as anyone elses.....

Crate Engine Depot... $695 on an $800 MSRP (http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/Solstice-HHR-Stage-Kit-19212670-P2292C0.aspx)

Maybe post #102 did it. I think I originally put it in the SS forums, but I don't remember.

Ahhhh post #102 :bow: My day is much better now :cool:

XXL, thanks for the link. Sounds like there is a price for the stage kit, but less HP than the Solstice!?!?
Does anyone know what the kit will contain? How can they take orders without knowing any details?

Crate Engine Depot... $695 on an $800 MSRP (http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/Solstice-HHR-Stage-Kit-19212670-P2292C0.aspx)

I think they got all that information from this forum, :lol:.

Rockenbach chevy (crateenginedepot.com) is correct. $800 is the GM list price. Their $695 is an okay deal but probably not the best that will be out there when the kit is released. Plus you will have to see what their S&H charges are. If programming is envolved you are going to need a dealer to do that, so you might as well try working with your local dealer when the kits come out.

If programming is envolved you are going to need a dealer to do that, so you might as well try working with your local dealer when the kits come out.

Agreed. The voucher in the kit is for the flash... but not the FLASHING, nor the installation of the sensors. I would expect a reasonable dealer would give you a good price on the kit since they're going to charge labor on top of that.

I've actually decided to wait a bit to see what HPT can do with the overboost condition on the current OS. If they can get around that, we can get aftermarket sensors (or the stock GM ones that go in this kit) and just use HPT to get up into the higher boost range that some of us interested in this kit are after.

AT and MT specs are the same for the HHR?

AT and MT specs are the same for the HHR?

No.

No.

According to the link you posted, after the kit they show to be the same.

From another board...

Information made available today to Pontiac dealerships shows:

Stage Kit for LNF Turbo Engine

Ready for sale Date
MY 07/08 = 12/15/2008

MY2009 = Early 09CY (assumes no additional CARB certification testing)

Comments

Adds 30 HP to the Turbo engine (290 vs. 260)
Adds 65 Lb-ft of torque (325 vs. 260) for auto trans.
Adds 80 Lb-ft of torque (340 vs. 260) for manual trans.
Kit includes sensors, wiring harnesses, and calibration changes
Plus Install time = 1 hour
Fits both Coupe & Roadster
Requires premium fuel


Stage kit for LNF Turbo - Warranty Clarification

If customer takes delivery of stage kit with new vehicle purchase, warranty on stage kit is equal to the new vehicle powertrain warranty.
If customer takes delivery of stage kit after new vehicle purchase, warranty on stage kit = 12 months/12,000 miles or the remaining new vehicle warranty, whichever is longer.
Installation of stage kit does NOT void new vehicle/powertrain warranty.
Warranty is void if kit is used for racing.

From this link you posted: http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/Solstice-HHR-Stage-Kit-19212670-P2292C0.aspx


Solstice HHR Stage kit for the LNF 2.0 Turbocharged engine. This stage kit increases horsepower to 290HP @5,200 RPM
Solstice torque ratings:
MT 340 lb,-ft of torque @ 3,600 RPM
AT 325 lb,-ft of torque @ 3,600 RPM
HHR torque ratings:
MT 315 lb,-ft of torque @ 4,800
AT 315 lb,-ft of torque @ 4,800
Note: Specifications subject to change without notice.

Soooooooooo.....has anybody purchased it yet?>????? WE need to know..is it worth it..$550 now at crate engines depot

Soooooooooo.....has anybody purchased it yet?>????? WE need to know..is it worth it..$550 now at crate engines depot

He's mostly taking pre-orders. I believe he received 2 kits, which went to the first 2 people on the pre-order list.

As for the "is it worth it" ... you've got to understand... most of the people (that I've talked to, anyway) who are standing in line for this kit have no interest in the tune itself. They are looking for the sensors and the new ECM OS that supports the sensors. There is a thread on Solstice Forum that talks about the tune characteristics, and as I read it... it's just another "good tune" among many available. Again, that's not what matters to many waiting for the kit.

AHH- the new parts are just an open door for bigger and better things!

If I'm interpreting this correctly, they're not giving as aggressive a tune with the HHR as they are with the Solstice / Sky?
Perhaps they weren't comfortable with the FWD getting too much torque, or maybe the 5 speed isn't as sturdy as the Solstice?

If I'm interpreting this correctly, they're not giving as aggressive a tune with the HHR as they are with the Solstice / Sky?
Perhaps they weren't comfortable with the FWD getting too much torque, or maybe the 5 speed isn't as sturdy as the Solstice?


More than likely is that it is the same issue many of us here have already figured out, unless you upgrade your clutch the engine produces too much torque and will cause the clutch to slip.

The 315 number they use, which I'll assume is at the engine is about 10-20 ft lbs below where the clutch will start to slip

Remember we have same clutch, same trans but a with a different ratio to handle our cars higher weight.

Remember we have same clutch, same trans but a with a different ratio to handle our cars higher weight.

umm...what? are you thinking Cobalt? he mentioned the Solstice..RWD different transmission. not sure about clutch though, i'm thinking maybe not.

my guess is partly the clutch issue, but also 340 is a lot of torque for a FWD, especially assuming you're on the stock tires. remember, this stage package is being marketed by GM as being available to the STOCK car, using 100% stock equipment. they don't want a bunch of people adding this, then complaining that they can't leave a light without smoking up the tires, and then maybe getting sued for tickets because the car is too powerful for the stock tires, yada yada yada.

i dunno, makes sense to me.

Sorry, your correct. My mistake, principal still the same. What good is having all that torque if the clutch can't transfer it.

We have a new member that is very qualified to answer a lot of questions in this thread. Follow the link.

http://chevyhhr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=19891

another thing to factor....rwd vs. fwd is not the same when it comes to TQ numbers..unless its drive wheel tq numbers.Rear wheel drive takes a bit more
because of the added parasitic losses of drive line..so it may all be the same for final numbers.It probably wouldnt be favorable to the Solstice guys if the HHR had a better package.Also as said above..too much tq on the rear wheels is a lot easier to control then on the front.Plus who knows what it will do to the axles with some of the lead foots we have here....;)