:cussing: imo,ALL of these vendors are full of it!!!

i really was/i'm looking forward to having all hrc products on my car,but it seems like the hhr isn't that important.

ADM made an exhaust,which i have yet to see ready for sale and they are feeding us the same line.

maganaflow is the same.

if i was one of these vendors,i would not have said a word till i was ready to start taking orders. atleast keep us updated on whats the hold up. hrc said they will have a part out in aug. then sept. it's going into oct. and nothing. bad business imo.

i do like my tune however from them and would still buy it again. when given the power to tune your car using the HP tuners,you have a greater chance of screwing things up and in the long run cost to much. hptuners on the other hand will take your car to a new platform...if you have the money(the time on the dyno to tune it) and knowlege.

looks like we all just might have to hope for gm to come out with atleast a hard pipe kit and exhaust.

Umm... ADM just released a full turboback and tune kit... check the Supporting Vendor section.

Umm... ADM just released a full turboback and tune kit... check the Supporting Vendor section.

just got off the phone with them. i retract my statement about ADM:bow: :bow: :bow:

just got off the phone with them. i retract my statement about ADM:bow: :bow: :bow:

What did you find out? I am still trying to find out what HP numbers are put down with this kit, can we look forward to a catted DP, does the tune void the warrantee? Things such as this.

What did you find out? I am still trying to find out what HP numbers are put down with this kit, can we look forward to a catted DP, does the tune void the warrantee? Things such as this.

well it was said to me that this system will work with our factory cat. that's a 3 inch dp with stock cat all the way back.

don't know the numbers,but generally with 3inch exhaust on turbo cars,you can expect about 15-20whp.

as far as warranty,i'm sure it does void the warranty,they have to prove that the tune blew your motor. the way i look at it,they have more money and lawyers than you lol.

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Happy to see you survived IKE.

Happy to see you survived IKE.

yeah tell me about it. i was lucky. only fence damage for the most part.

I have sold some 3" prototypes already.I would even sell the exhaust off my own vehicle.

I do have another prototype sitting here ,as well as a downpipe with a catalytic converter.I would sell it to.

Production is not up to me,I just helped make sure it is right.Now that that is out of the way..production models will be made.The order is in and production will start..I would say a couple weeks.

If anybody here wants to buy the prototype I have sitting here,please email me.

We will have dyno numbers tommorow.

Andy

Happy to see you survived IKE.

Me too man. We need to get the HHR's together soon!

You think its bad with how long you had to wait?!

The LSJs didn't start seeing much aftermarket support until 2006! Tuning became available around May or June of 2006...when the Saturn ION RL was released in 2004. Only thing they had forever was a stupid drop in filter.

That means it was over a year before the Cobalts saw anything so I gotta say, this isn't too bad for an exhaust to be out already. Plus, you have to think about the R&D they have to put in to make sure the product won't blow up any engines...think of the rant and financial problems that would come along then?

Just chill...seriously.

Just chill...seriously.

Thanks for the 2 cents, but you may have missed the point. It's not how long we're waiting for the aftermarket to support the car... it's how long we're waiting for companies that SAID THEY WERE RELEASING PRODUCTS to actually do so.

It's not like the exciting moment when you finally got high speed Internet access after years of dialup. It's like the month after month of the company telling you it was going to be available, only to not make it available.

Here's your change...

:2cents:

You mean like how it was about a year after the initial release date of the GM stage kits for the LSJs before it finally got out there? It happens...you have people interested in the LNF...progress is progress.

You mean like how it was about a year after the initial release date of the GM stage kits for the LSJs before it finally got out there?

Yes, and so since GM set the bar so high, we, as consumers should just STFU and get over it (instead of expressing our dissatisfaction and voting with our feet)? Good plan. That'll get them to step up.

It seems like wherever you go people are wanting more mods for the HHR, especially the SS... people are waiting to spend money! You would think someone would want to make money!

I'm doubting if major players in the aftermarket really want to invest time and money into a body that will change in about 2 years....especially with the relatively low volume of owners who wish to do "radical" changes to the body (other than stickers,etc.).:(

Aftermarket engine changes/parts would be nice since the Ecotec appear to be around for awhile. But then engine compartment size/changes enters the equation and re-engineering again needs to be done by them.

Look at it this way, by the time parts are finally ready, I won't have to worry about voiding my warranty! LOL:lol:

I'm just enjoying my car.

When the full "kits" are ready, i'll just have another reason to drive with a smile.

Dyno numbers with 3" exhaust and off road downpipe.

FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY!

"Alot more torque and a little more power"

Dynojet Research Inc.
Run Name: G:\Documents\ADM TUNES HHR SS\HHR SS\HHR SS\DYNORUN.008
Run Title:
Run Notes:
STOCK TUNE WITH ADM OFF ROAD DOWNPIPE AND CAT BACK EXHAUST

DYNORUN.008: 85.73 °F 29.70 in-Hg Humidity: 13 % SAE: 1.00

s RPM x1000 hp ft-lbs
0.54 3.10 118.48 200.72
0.87 3.20 146.24 239.99
1.17 3.30 168.46 268.10
1.45 3.40 181.26 279.99
1.74 3.50 187.76 281.77
2.02 3.60 193.81 282.76
2.30 3.70 202.97 288.12
2.58 3.80 208.35 287.97
2.87 3.90 212.52 286.20
3.15 4.00 214.86 282.13
3.45 4.10 219.42 281.07
3.74 4.20 221.66 277.19
4.05 4.30 222.41 271.67
4.36 4.40 222.62 265.73
4.66 4.50 226.76 264.63
4.99 4.60 228.45 260.84
5.30 4.70 232.74 260.14
5.61 4.80 238.26 260.67
5.94 4.90 241.07 258.21
6.24 5.00 249.63 262.42
6.56 5.10 254.40 274.23
6.89 5.20 252.89 255.22
7.22 5.30 254.76 252.04
7.56 5.40 250.30 240.77
7.90 5.50 251.14 237.21
8.27 5.60 245.31 229.79
8.64 5.70 239.69 220.75
9.04 5.80 234.24 212.11
9.45 5.90 230.48 205.21
9.88 6.00 223.23 195.40
10.31 6.10 231.28 199.14
10.77 6.20 217.21 184.00
11.31 6.30 198.63 165.59
--------- --------- --------- ---------
MAX: 11.31 6.30 254.76 288.12
MIN: 0.54 3.10 118.48 165.59

WE DID TURN OFF THE REAR 02 CODES FOR THIS TEST.




STOCK NUMBERS:

Dynojet Research Inc.
Run Name: G:\Documents\ADM TUNES HHR SS\HHR SS\HHR SS\DYNORUN.001
Run Title:
Run Notes:


DYNORUN.001: 78.40 °F 29.44 in-Hg Humidity: 27 % SAE: 1.00
s RPM x1000 hp ft-lbs
0.63 2.50 83.35 175.10
1.01 2.60 102.92 207.88
1.36 2.70 119.65 232.74
1.67 2.80 133.28 250.00
1.98 2.90 142.26 257.64
2.30 3.00 145.85 255.34
2.61 3.10 150.11 254.32
2.93 3.20 153.49 251.91
3.25 3.30 158.18 251.75
3.57 3.40 161.82 249.97
3.90 3.50 163.27 245.01
4.24 3.60 168.21 245.41
4.57 3.70 171.14 242.93
4.90 3.80 175.93 243.17
5.24 3.90 180.47 243.04
5.57 4.00 184.14 241.78
5.91 4.10 187.97 240.80
6.25 4.20 194.07 242.68
6.59 4.30 195.60 238.91
6.94 4.40 197.91 236.23
7.28 4.50 200.43 233.93
7.64 4.60 203.93 232.83
8.00 4.70 206.91 231.21
8.35 4.80 212.24 232.23
8.71 4.90 215.63 231.12
9.06 5.00 220.45 231.56
9.41 5.10 228.69 235.51
9.76 5.20 231.06 233.38
10.12 5.30 235.17 233.04
10.48 5.40 238.77 232.23
10.84 5.50 240.68 229.84
11.20 5.60 242.88 227.78
11.58 5.70 245.00 225.76
11.97 5.80 240.94 218.18
12.38 5.90 235.69 209.82
12.80 6.00 234.51 205.28
13.23 6.10 231.97 199.73
13.67 6.20 230.07 194.90
14.20 6.30 213.33 177.85
--------- --------- --------- ---------
MAX: 14.20 6.30 245.00 257.64
MIN: 0.63 2.50 83.35 175.10

So essentially 10hp and 20tq

What happens to these numbers when the tune is added?

vandy,this isn't like we were told 8/31/08 that stuff would be ready in sept. we were told in july that end of aug. beginning of sept. it seems the tune came out faster and on time.

vandy,this isn't like we were told 8/31/08 that stuff would be ready in sept. we were told in july that end of aug. beginning of sept. it seems the tune came out faster and on time.


See mid-page at clicky link (http://www.turbosystem.com/New_Folder/HHR%20Intercooler%20Piping.htm) ... available August '08. Tomorrow is October. Mine (and a few others) was especially acute for this part as our cars were sitting at dealerships broken down due to a factory defective part and replacement parts weren't available. Had the above linked part been available, I could have had my cake and eaten it too. Instead, I waited (fortunately, not as long as others) for the dealer to replace the factory defective part with another factory defective part that hasn't yet broken in the known bad place. When it does, It'll be another call to GM Roadside Asistance to have my car hauled to the dealer, where they can replace the factory defective part with another factory defective part... or... someone can offer the parts they've been teasing us about and we can replace the factory defective part with something that (hopefully) won't break so easily.

I have been in private contact with 2 vendors about IC piping (not the one linked above) who sound ready to ship. I'll know more this week... and will likely have parts headed my way.

So essentially 10hp and 20tq

What happens to these numbers when the tune is added?
That is quite a bit for just a cat back system. some people didn't see that on the LS1's in TQ arena. The stock exhaust isn't all to restrictive if you look at the numbers but Turbos don't need the back pressure like N/A cars.

And the good thing is exhaust will never Void warrenty. :thumb:

That is quite a bit for just a cat back system. some people didn't see that on the LS1's in TQ arena. The stock exhaust isn't all to restrictive if you look at the numbers but Turbos don't need the back pressure like N/A cars.

And the good thing is exhaust will never Void warrenty. :thumb:

This is true. I didn't notice a huge difference when I put the SLP LM on my LS1, except it sounded amazing! but you are right the TQ and such wasn't impacted the same. I just need to hear a clip of it, and if I like, I'll be ordering!

That is quite a bit for just a cat back system. some people didn't see that on the LS1's in TQ arena. The stock exhaust isn't all to restrictive if you look at the numbers but Turbos don't need the back pressure like N/A cars.

And the good thing is exhaust will never Void warrenty. :thumb:

Like ADM mentioned you will need to turn off the rear 02 or there will be a code thrown. HP tuners I believe is your only option at this time if you want to go with a off road DP. I honestly believe there will be little DP gain if you don't eliminate the cat.

Oh yeah.....The car is pretty loud inside with an aftermarket DP;):lol:

I know you guys are excited but out of 5000 cars built how many people are gonna modify them? Lest say 15% to be optomistic (750 per year) I hate to say it but there just isn't going to be a ton of excitement except for the smaller shops like ADM/Hahn/Turbo Tech

I would like to say magnaflow would start production today on there cat back but in this economy they are gonna use there equipment to build what sells the best(HHR will not be a contender)

I knew the Hahn tune was retarded exspensive and would be limited so I passed.

I could go with HP tuners and there expandability but I am gonna see what GM offers before I rush a purchase.

Everything Cole Trickle said

In the meantime, I'll just enjoy the hell out of this little beast.:lol: