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Mike strikes again! Outstanding, bud, you've outdone yourself once more.

Sweet Mike.
Might be a while befor I can get it, but is the mod list forsure.:thumb:

Hey, that ride looks familiar. :lol:

Dan was my "test subject" for the final kit - and an excellent one at that! :thumb:

Thanks (publicly), for all your help Dan! :bow:

That is kick ass, Mike!

Ya I thought I seen those moom eyes before.

... where does this man find time for this stuff....

"You can sleep when you die..." (favorite quote)

That looks AWSOME. I may now hold off getting the lowering springs for bags :)

oh wow :eek: :bow: nice work!

:thumb: Nice job Mike

:thumb: Nice job Mike

Plus good job dan

Hey any pics of the spare tire area just woundering :)

We're working on editing those soon...please be patient.

Yeah we need some install pix! :poke: :D

I'm working on a full Install Pics page on our site. I need to edit all the pics first...it's going to take a little time. I have several irons in the fire right now...

In the meanwhile...start saving your pennies! :2cents:

man...you just pissed my girlfriend off...damn you mike coming out with all these sweet mods...

now if AEM would just get that intake out!

-wC

Sweet Mike you have done it agin!!!

So I take it on a system like this one first lowers the car height with the lowering springs then adds this kit? Never really lowered a car or played with ride height much. Been doing Corvairs for years which ride quite low anyway. My Buick Rainier has an interesting air spring system in the rear. It always adjusts to some unchangeable preset. It works really well with the Bilstiens and delivers a decent ride and the capacity to add a fair amount of weight while maintaining the ride height.
I find myself more interested in suspension mods than engine ones these days!:nuts:

Never mind the first part, I just found this thread :
http://www.chevyhhr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2072
which tells me the rear lowering springs are out and the bags become the springs.
As I say, aside from adjustable shocks, I have never lowered a car nor know much about these bags. Learning more each day now!:smile:

So I take it on a system like this one first lowers the car height with the lowering springs then adds this kit?

Nope. The springs are replaced with shocks and airbags in this kit - no need for stock or lowering springs.

Hope it helps,

got any install pics? Can you still get to the spare tire if you had to Mike?

got any install pics? Can you still get to the spare tire if you had to Mike?

Our Airbag system (like many others), places the spare tire, compressor and valve manifold in the spare tire compartment.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/cjkrause/HHR%20General%20Pics/100_0781.jpg

This means there obviously wouldn't be any room for a spare it there. Most "bagged" people carry roadside service (like AAA), in case of flats or other mishaps.

thanks for the info , gess you could fab up a mount to mount it to the side of the rear.

You can make a tank that wouldn't stop the use of the spare. If you had a couple of cylinder tanks maybe 3" diameters and 14" long and piped them together. Hard pipe them together in a shape like a U. You would still have the same volume of air just a different configuration. Mount the pump on the open side of the U. and make it so the system bolted down over the spare. Just need enough slack in hoses and wiring to allow for the system to lift to get spare. You could even set it so that the system had a hinge with a dampeners like the rear door.

During our mini-cruise here in Florida, I got to see Dan-D's kit in action. (And have since decided that yes, I too must have it!) The 1/2" manifolds and hose provided action that's a bit too quick for my taste, so I'd rather do 3/8". Will there be a price difference between 1/2, 3/8, and 1/4? Also, what types of warranties are associated with the system, and who will provide technical supprt?

My answer to the whole ditching the spare issue is run flat tires. ;)

My answer to the whole ditching the spare issue is run flat tires. ;)

Ummm... Have you ever driven in a car equipped with run-flats? If you were to do it daily, you and your dentist will become extremely familiar, and you'll have your chiroproctor on speed-dial! Yeah, it sucks THAT much! :D

I had run flats on my Mustang and didn't have any problems. I drove quite a distance home from work one day when I lived on the opposite side of town and I didn't even realize I had a flat tire until I got home. I was traveling at highway speeds part of the time also.

I had run flats on my Mustang and didn't have any problems.

That's because you're a "Real Man" CH! :lol:

Probably because my rims were only 16" so I had a lot of tire.

Still working on the product pages but here's a short video clip of the system:

SoCalHHR's Digital Air Suspension System (http://www.socalhhr.citymax.com/f/Airbag_Promo_Clip.wmv)

I like what the system can do. It seems to be a better way to deal with height and handling issues than simply lowering the HHR. More versatile for sure.

But I'd likely get another HHR to do it to as my wife will use the one we have for 100 mile commutes at times and I really like the idea of keeping the spare in the spare well. Onstar and AAA are only part of the equation in family safety. Car handling is another, and I'm betting most body roll is gone from the car after this mod! Or , of course some could be dialed in for the softer ride.

I have bags and Bilstines in my Buick, but no direct control over the bags. It is interesting that GM has stock bags for springs in some cars. Must come from making busses!:lol:

I like that the air tank doubles as a landmine for Marine Corps training! :lol:

Ng

if you had runflats you would have to install a tire pressure ditial reader thing, so that you could know when your tires are flat.

As the owner of this daily driven HHR I can honestly say that the ride can be as soft as the stock springs or as firm as riding on screw jacks. This all depends on where you set the ride height air pressure in combination with the shock / strut settings. I'm still playing with mine to figure out exactly what I'm looking for, but for me at this point I get the best ride height / ride quality for my liking with about a 15 - 20lb difference front to rear with the front being the higher of the two. At this writing I now have the rears about 45lb and the front around 60lb. I also have the rear shocks set to #4 right now and the front struts at #6, but I'm still playing with these adjustments as well. I know Mikes going to come out with a how too on this kit so we'll all have to be patient, I did send him my notes and a ton of pictures. So until then I will tell you that if you have the ability to replace your stock springs with lowering springs, you can do the bak kit installation as well, the suspension components install just about like your stock stuff. The hardest part is laying out your component location and running the lines. Installing the lines once you've got them routed to your liking is a breeze. The elbow connectors you get with the kit are first rate and you just simply push the air line into the connector. Most of the wiring is already done for you with plug and play harnesses ot battery connections, and since all of the components (including the battery) are co-located in the spare tire well there is only two wires to run up front. You have a wire that needs to hook to an empty accessory power (there are several in the front fuse compartment of the console), and a cat-5 cable with an RJ-45 connector that plugs into the display unit from the ECU.

As far as my spare tire goes, I just won't have any flats...LOL

OK, back to a serious note about the spare. I plan to get a zippered tire cover and just lay the spare on the rear deck, the jack will be in the cover with the spare, after all, the HHR has plenty of unused space. -Dan

nice ride Dan! looking good slammed!

I think with that design, someone could park at the pier.. and feed air to the Deep Diving team.

Or like NG said.. double as a land mine... :lol:

hope the vehicle doesn't get inspected by the CHP, like they used to do those check points for vehicle condition.:2cents:

how would running a extra line for air-ride seats ?

hope the vehicle doesn't get inspected by the CHP, like they used to do those check points for vehicle condition.:2cents:

What do you mean by "vehicle condition"? http://forums.focaljet.com/images/smilies/wtf.gif

The condition of my vehicle is as good as any. It just has the ability to vary it's ride height or remain level with a heavy load as many cars do that come from the factory with air bag suspension.

Of course I don't live in Cali so this wouldn't apply to me anyway.

I'm so jelous..Maybe I should get a job so I can fix my mod tooth cravings..

I'm so jelous..Maybe I should get a job so I can fix my mod tooth cravings..


Get mods... :thumb:

Lets see, 250 lbs for the air bag system, 60 lbs for the lake pipes.
Your going to need more ponies to haul all that stufff.... :lol:

The Triple Lake Pipes weigh only 19lbs. a set.

A passenger affects your performance more...:D

Lets see, 250 lbs for the air bag system, 60 lbs for the lake pipes.
Your going to need more ponies to haul all that stufff.... :lol:

The little 2.4 with 5 speed scoots this thing along just fine. But whenever someone comes out with a supercharger for it I'll probably have to get one.

During our mini-cruise here in Florida, I got to see Dan-D's kit in action. (And have since decided that yes, I too must have it!) The 1/2" manifolds and hose provided action that's a bit too quick for my taste, so I'd rather do 3/8". Will there be a price difference between 1/2, 3/8, and 1/4? Also, what types of warranties are associated with the system, and who will provide technical supprt?

Ok, maybe the entire world missed this one... I did ask about warranties and tech support, perhaps the manufacturer's name.. Anything? Or is this sensitive information or something? :lol:

Ok, maybe the entire world missed this one... I did ask about warranties and tech support, perhaps the manufacturer's name.. Anything? Or is this sensitive information or something? :lol:

You know Mike does lurk around the forum as "Off line" when he is really "On Line"...Maybe it's an Opsec issue...:lol:

Ng

I guess I need to renew my SCI clearance to find out the answers...

Your SoCal Intelligence clearance???

Bravo!

During our mini-cruise here in Florida, I got to see Dan-D's kit in action. (And have since decided that yes, I too must have it!) The 1/2" manifolds and hose provided action that's a bit too quick for my taste, so I'd rather do 3/8". Will there be a price difference between 1/2, 3/8, and 1/4? Also, what types of warranties are associated with the system, and who will provide technical supprt?

Sorry Will I must have missed this post. Here's a copy of what the warranty say's:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid207/p34325bd94d78a34065501a723a85b32f/eeb9d9ef.jpg

As far an the manufacture goes I'll let Mike disclose this information although I don't think it's any kind of top seceret.

when you get the bag kit it does come with a toll free number for warranty / technical issues. I've used it and they are very quick to act and they actually do answer the phone. So far I'm pleased with the service. -Dan

You know Mike does lurk around the forum as "Off line" when he is really "On Line"...Maybe it's an Opsec issue...:lol:

Ng


Yeah ------- why lurk...??? , depressed ??? what ?? ..... :nono: :lol:

Here......
you can get an replacement air compressor for $40.00

http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?categorycode=3483A&mfrcode=BFT&mfrpartnumber=ACMP

Dan's the Man... Thank you!

Here......
you can get an replacement air compressor for $40.00

http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?categorycode=3483A&mfrcode=BFT&mfrpartnumber=ACMP

Thread Sabotage! :D

Ng

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As you saw it has one year warrenty and it is made by easy street air company kit also fits a cobalt as for infomation on the stuff viair does not make a compresser for a 175 psi you can get a pressure switch that is a 175 psi but if you get a viair 450 or 400 there only warrentied for 150 psi now if you get the viair 380 it is able to do 200 psi


just my 2 cents I have a s-10 on bags I have been bagged for 12 years

Just to set it straight Fly; we have this kit produced for us - specifically for the HHR, It is not the same kit you see for the Cobalt.
It has many different parts that are specific to the HHR. Additionally, we offer it with "Street" or "Show" lines.
The Viair compressor that comes with it is MORE than capable of doing the job - see a video HERE (http://www.socalhhr.citymax.com/f/Airbag_Promo_Clip.wmv) (and you can't buy these for $40 Henry!) :lol:

so what is different from the cobalt kit that fits the hhr also from easy street air. You have the same controller and the compressor is a viair 380c able to 200psi and you mite have a different tank and you offer it with 1/4'' line or 1/2 I talked to jim from easystreetair at sema I was talking to him about sponsoring my hhr.

We worked with Jim for a while getting this kit together. You are welcome to do the same (pro motion tuning store), - or buy one from us! :lol:

wouldnt this be a lot easier installing shockwaves or a similar product? there are still a lot of specifics that are kind of being left out here. i understand that its still under development, but im not sure why a lot of this is being left out. i see that youve used a digital readout, which most likely means that your using digital sensors to read air pressure. there is a major problem with these in that these senders can be up to 12 psi off the mark. ive done many bag jobs already, and never have i heard anything positive about digital gauges. also, the brand of valves and air bags will make a big difference on the performance and reliability of the system. Im not sure if im thinking of the right company, but im pretty sure easy street makes AirLift bags. one of my trucks started out with these bags, and every one of them ended up blowing a top crimp.

sorry if i seem negative about this, im just having questions like most others.

I deal with several air suspension suppliers and parts, including Air Lift, Air Ride Technologies, Firestone, Slam Specialties, among others. There isn't a shockwave kit built specific to the HHR(cobalt), but that doesn't mean someone can't order the shockwave units and fabricate something. I've sold hundreds of Air Lift bags and installed them, and haven't had many problems, nothing more than with any other bag. I beleive they did have a batch at one time that may have had crimp failure issues, but I can tell you it was not a design issue. They warranty their bags should something like that happen, but crimp failure can also happen by overextending the bag, or overinflation, which are install and use issues as well.

I've also gone through different digital systems, Air Ride Tech just came out with a new e2 system that is leaps and bounds above their previous system which could have problems in certain applications (electrical grounding issues, problems reading pressure), and Air Lift's early digital controller was not without its early issues as well (I believe it was a voltage problem), although I beleive Air Lift has dealt with and resolved these issues. There are two kinds of electric control systems, pressure-based, and height-based. A height-based system will be more reliable given changing loads and conditions (temp, etc). Many of the electric pressure-based systems offer ride height sensors as an option.

The Easy Street cobalt front and rear kits work on the HHR out of the box, the main difference is going to be in the control kit, different fittings, lines, tank, and control options.

to be honest, i think the shockwave would be easy to adapt, but i dont have the cash laying around to try it. As far as the airlifts go, i dealt with a sales rep that screwed me out of a warranty. IMO, the design is inferior to other companies such as Slams, which incorporate the internal bumpstops that stop blown crimp issues. i can assure you that my bags were never over inflated due to the shock mounted outboard of the frame that limited travel.

i agree that the height-based system is much better, and i do like the way that Air ride manages their auto leveling system (aside from the price) I guess through all of my rambling im just trying to say that i would rather buy the parts to do this seperately as opposed to someone putting out a kit that provides parts im not too fond of....

just my .02