Click here to see Airaid Intake for 2.2 and 2.4 (http://www.airaid.com/200-195_chevy.asp)

I like it! Can't seem to find a price on one of those bad boys! I wonder how much they cost? I could see myself buying one of these if the price is right...

Ng

http://www.chevyhhr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2064

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There is an Airaid supplier in my town. I'm going to go check up on them and do some research. I have honestly never heard of them before until now.

There is an Airaid supplier in my town. I'm going to go check up on them and do some research. I have honestly never heard of them before until now.
If you watch Trucks! or extreme 4X4 on spike you would know about them, the seem to like these intakes and use them all the time.

That's cool and good to know. I still would like to see one in person to see how it's made and if it's worth $200+

well I just ordered one for the 2.4 hhr. Will post pics next week after installation.

well I just ordered one for the 2.4 hhr. Will post pics next week after installation.


Cool! I think you took the first plunge :thumb: Do you have an auto or an MTX?

Click here to see Airaid Intake for 2.2 and 2.4 (http://www.airaid.com/200-195_chevy.asp)

At least its taking in some cool air ,
rather then hot air like others.. You decide.. cool air ... good power..... or looks.... less power ???

well I just ordered one for the 2.4 hhr. Will post pics next week after installation.


Why wait.. heres how to do it here..

http://www.airaid.com/pdf/200-195.pdf

hvrod,

thanks for the info. I saw after I posted the thread.

txsman,

I have an automatic.

I like the idea but the box is ugly where it sits..

well I just ordered one for the 2.4 hhr. Will post pics next week after installation.


Me too! lol Autoanything.com hooked me up. They list the item for $199.95, and right now thay've got free shipping! Also, the guy I spoke to gave me $20 off of my order! How friggin' cool is that? $179.95! Rock on!

I bet I get mine first! :D

EDIT: Make sure if you order from Autoanything.com, that you ask to speak to Pepper. He's the coolest salesman ever! The least I can do is to throw his name out there for hooking me up!

Does anybody really think that a plastic box that is opened in the front will keep out the engine heat? Plus, it uses weatherstriping on top, so it is also sealed against the hood. So, in hot weather with the sun beating down on the large, metal hood it should heat up the air filter box nicely.

As for the tube blowing air in from the fenderwell-the SoCal setup places the air filter right in the path of that air stream

The point of any short-ram system is the smoother path for airflow once it's past the filter assembly, into the throttle body. Whether there's a metal box surrounding the short ram or not is immaterial, though I'm sure it doesn't hurt matters at all. The box element of the system is (supposed) to direct air coming in from the grille, vice air from underneath, past the engine, etc... ;)

It's my opinion that the air temperature, at the throttle body, from all of these systems will only differ slightly, and even the best Super Extreme Collectors Edition Boxed Set Ultra cold-air or short-ram intake will only provide negligible gains in power. Supposedly, the AirRaid system should provide 8HP and 8LB/FT at the wheels, and I'm fine with that. :cool:

Me too! lol Autoanything.com hooked me up. They list the item for $199.95, and right now thay've got free shipping! Also, the guy I spoke to gave me $20 off of my order! How friggin' cool is that? $179.95! Rock on!

I bet I get mine first! :D

EDIT: Make sure if you order from Autoanything.com, that you ask to speak to Pepper. He's the coolest salesman ever! The least I can do is to throw his name out there for hooking me up!

http://www.chevyhhr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2064

This is where I posted earlier... about the prices... What a deal !!!!! Thats more than $100.00 than the other airtake being offered... where do I sign up ????.

Does anybody really think that a plastic box that is opened in the front will keep out the engine heat? Plus, it uses weatherstriping on top, so it is also sealed against the hood. So, in hot weather with the sun beating down on the large, metal hood it should heat up the air filter box nicely.

As for the tube blowing air in from the fenderwell-the SoCal setup places the air filter right in the path of that air stream


I would say yes... to the hood heating up when parked or stopped.. but once air travels over the surface of the hood it will cool....

maybe next some company will come out with a ram air hood for the HHR.

I'm very tempted to order one I tell ya' what. I'm going to wait to see what others think of it.


Mike,
If this really does work, you're going to lose some business before you even put your AIK out on the market.

I'm very tempted to order one I tell ya' what. I'm going to wait to see what others think of it.

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Go TXSMAN... get one....

I have similar setup with my Infiniti... its called a pop charger..
it boxes the air around the air filter... I can hear it sucking up the air..

I have similar setup with my Infiniti... its called a pop charger..
it boxes the air around the air filter... I can hear it sucking up the air..


Playing Devil's Advocate are ya'? :lol: There's a couple of Airaid suppliers locally. I'll check to see if I can pick one up at the store. If not, I may just go ahead and order one online.

Playing Devil's Advocate are ya'? :lol: There's a couple of Airaid suppliers locally. I'll check to see if I can pick one up at the store. If not, I may just go ahead and order one online.

Yeah...:D

Man I can't believe you guys are already ordering!!! :mad: I want to, but I must be strong! The budget this month does not include an intake, HVROD used up all my surplus funds :D

Ng

Man I can't believe you guys are already ordering!!! :mad: I want to, but I must be strong! The budget this month does not include an intake, HVROD used up all my surplus funds :D

Ng


http://www.airaid.com/pdf/200-195.pdf Look heres the instructions for the air intake..
You can practice dismatling your stock one..

I'm very tempted to order one I tell ya' what. I'm going to wait to see what others think of it.

Mike,
If this really does work, you're going to lose some business before you even put your AIK out on the market.

Just because something's on the market, doesn't mean it's necessarily the best design. I'm waiting to test one first before I endorse it. The Airaid model is radically different in design from the CGS intake, and I've been running my CGS since Solvang with stellar performance.

Keep in mind, both K&N and AEM have been working on intakes for several months now. There is a reason they have not released anything yet.

Once we get one (Airaid), here I will road test it against the CGS - perhaps even dyno the two and get real figures. Then I'll make my decision as to whether we will carry it...that's just the way I do things.

The rest of you guys.....go for it! :thumb:

:lol:

Just because something's on the market, doesn't mean it's necessarily the best design. I'm waiting to test one first before I endorse it. The Airaid model is radically different in design from the CGS intake, and I've been running my CGS since Solvang with stellar performance.

Keep in mind, both K&N and AEM have been working on intakes for several months now. There is a reason they have not released anything yet.

Once we get one (Airaid), here I will road test it against the CGS - perhaps even dyno the two and get real figures. Then I'll make my decision as to whether we will carry it...that's just the way I do things.

The rest of you guys.....go for it! :thumb:

:lol:


HENCE the reason why I said IF this really works... ;)

Oh, I'm sure it will work - otherwise they wouldn't release it (like some other companies). The question remains: how well does it work?

Click here to see Airaid Intake for 2.2 and 2.4 (http://www.airaid.com/200-195_chevy.asp)

That would work good with a cowl induction hood.:cool:

I'm going to dremmel a hole on my hood and put a cowl in there...lol.

Again Airaid.. has been making intakes for awhile..
and a good price... they show 8 HP , 8 foot lbs for their product..

Sounds good. Haven't seen a dyno chart yet though....anywhere?

I prefer the clean, simple look of the CGS unit. But I also like the idea of shielding the warm air from the filter. So, what about making a plastic barrier and putting it between the filter and the engine, like the red indicates below?


http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/3/2/4/CGS_Intake_GoodSmwithshield_365646.jpg

I prefer the clean, simple look of the CGS unit. But I also like the idea of shielding the warm air from the filter. So, what about making a plastic barrier and putting it between the filter and the engine, like the red indicates below?


http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/3/2/4/CGS_Intake_GoodSmwithshield_365646.jpg

There will be a METAL plate made to block the hot engine air. It is being made now. Plastic heats up quicker (confirmed in lab tests), and is prone to cracking. The production model will include the heat block plate. :thumb:

Great minds think alike. Now with the warm air problem solved, is there any reason to go with the bulky model?

Great minds think alike. Now with the warm air problem solved, is there any reason to go with the bulky model?

Looks? :lol:

Plastic heats up quicker (confirmed in lab tests), and is prone to cracking.

Do you have the lab test results? :roll: I don't buy that one bit, several types of plastic are heat resistant like polypropylene and some are fire retandant like ABS. :confused: Part of the reason the intake on my Mustang worked so much better than it's competitors was it was made entirely of heat resisitant plastic. It wouldn't get hot like metal intakes and keep the air inside cool because it relocated the filter outside of the engine bay in the front fender. I think your just trying to keep people from buying the Airaid system before the one you are selling is released with hype. Look at what your engire cover is made out of and it probably takes the most heat out of anything in your engine compartment. Because it's plastic do you believe it's going to heat up and crack? :lol:

Get a clue Howdy! "Heat-Resistant Plastic" is the biggest marketing gimmick ever! :lol: Do you have any idea how many plastic intake tubes crack a couple of years after installation? (I'm guessing not.) Here's another manufaturer's video explaining the problems of plastic intakes: Tru Flow (http://www.trueflow.com/video.php) Watch and learn. That is only ONE of many manufacturers that will tell you the truth about plastic intakes. Most have a side seam and that is where they crack.

If you re-read this thread, I didn't jump in anywhere "dissing" the Airaid unit, but rather said I will wait until we can test one and compare it to what I already know works. If the Airaid intake outperforms CGS's intake - you can bet I'll be changing my tune!

Until then...I remain unconvinced. :cool:

It's not a marketing gimmick! I work in manufacturing and we use several types of high heat plastic on some very large Fortune 500 and goverment customers who aren't marketing their products to public so it's not marketing hype. Trust me if the government tells us to use specific type of high heat plastics on their projects it's for a reason, not marketing hype. And once again what's your engine cover made out of?

Proven: in materials of the same thickness, plastic transmits heat quicker than metal. Add to this the fact that a metal intake tube will most often be twice the thickness of plastic, and you begin to see the problem. Thinner, lighter plastic will (and does), eventually crack on the seam. I've seen tons of radiator overflow and windshield washer bottles with cracked seams - and they don't even sit on top of the engine where the intake will be...

The stock HHR engine cover was not designed for performance, so we're talking apples and oranges here. It was constructed plenty thick to prevent cracking and is surely durable enough to last almost the life of the car.

Of course, it doesn't provide peak performance either, and that is the point of installing an aftermarket intake...(insert name of whatever brand you prefer here). :lol:

It's not a marketing gimmick! I work in manufacturing and we use several types of high heat plastic on some very large Fortune 500 and goverment customers who aren't marketing their products to public so it's not marketing hype. Trust me if the government tells us to use specific type of high heat plastics on their projects it's for a reason, not marketing hype. And once again what's your engine cover made out of?


Get em Howdy.. some people live in fansty world... and should stick to the sales world.. and leave the technical aspect to people who actuall work in the engineering / manufacture world..

I prefer the clean, simple look of the CGS unit. But I also like the idea of shielding the warm air from the filter. So, what about making a plastic barrier and putting it between the filter and the engine, like the red indicates below?


http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/3/2/4/CGS_Intake_GoodSmwithshield_365646.jpg

that will probably put the cost over 300.00 to add that deflector..
will the costs ever come down ???
it should go for 200.00 lets hear it for $200 for that system

I'm not taking either side, but I see lots of plastic AND metal parts inside the engine compartment in that pic. Can't either material be suitably engineered to perform a specific job reliably?

Ths all started over a discussion about heat and cracking.

From a quick Google search (all "Heat Resistant" parts too):

From Lexus Owner’s Site:

I have an interesting problem, for about a week now my car has been running hard. It initially sounded like road noise coming from the tires. However, the noise (engine) is so loud that it sounds like I am riding in a jet airplane. I thought it was the spark plugs so this past weakened I changed them out. When changing the sparkplugs I notice that the plastic intake tube has a bad crake in it. The car idles perfectly and it is not throwing any codes. After the change of spark plugs there is no difference, still the same load noise coming from the engine. It feels like the car is losing power after 40mph, it shifts perfectly and at high speeds the rpm never goes over “3”.
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I have experieced the same problem with our Crown Vic. The car only has 70k miles and a cloud of white smoke comes boiling out from under the hood. It turns out it is a crack in a plastic intake manifold that has a coolant bypass tube molded in to it. It is clearly a manufacture defect I mean who ever had an intake manifold to crack like that before.
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Consumer Complaint 1999 Buick Regal:
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:EXHAUST SYSTEM:MANIFOLD/HEADER/MUFFLER/TAIL PIPE
Details: THE PLASTIC INTAKE MANIFOLD MELTED BETWEEN EGR PORT AND WATER JACKET. THIS ALLOWED COOLANT TO FLOOD THE MOTOR. THREE WEEKS AFTER THIS $1200 REPAIR I SPUN A ROD BEARING $2700 LATER.
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1997 grand marquis-plastic intake manifold cracked
ford moter co knows about this problem.the repair kit has an aluminum crossover section on the intake manifold right where the plastic one cracked.
the repair cost me 940 dollars.i havent received any information but i think there is a lawsuit pending. i would appreciate any information you may have
about this.
I own a 1996 Mercury Grand Marquis. While out of town the plastic intake manifold developed a 3 inch crack behind the alternator. This has happened on many vehicles that ford has made including the crown vic's, t-birds, mustangs and others. Many of these were replaced without charge and unfortunately not mine. They say it is a vehicle specific process. What does the vehicle matter if it is the same motor, same intake. cracking in the same place.
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My intake cracked on my 97' GT about 3 months ago, about 2 weeks after I bought it.....Go Figure.... I bought my intake from Advance Auto parts it was like $289.00 with the Alum. front but the Ford dealership wanted to put a complete plastic one back on it and charge me $589.00 for it plus $310.00 for labor.
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Ford has lost a class action lawsuit dealing with the Plastic Intakes on certain Models. The following link will break it down by the Year and Vin numbers:

http://www.fordmanifoldsettlement.com/index.html
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Got some possible bad news...At Perkins Chrysler in Crestwood Ky. That is just to the easy of Louisville....They have had three PT Turbos in the past two months with cracks in the Plastic Manifold. The craks are occurring where the lower bolts up to the upper part of the manifold. There are metal o rings that are in the plasice and the cracks are occurring around the o ring...These were all 2006 modles. Might want to keep an eye on this....apparently it is causing a slight vacuum leak that causes the check engine light to come on....
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But don't mind me...I'm just a "Sales guy" who's "Making things up." :lol:

That is what happened to my HHR. Where the bottom bold is the whole thing was borken right off. I'm still waiting for the replacement. Only about 1 week away now. Been waiting for 3 so far. I Know it's not the intake, but air box. I hate all the plastic on cars now days.

A few people complaining about isolated problems on older model cars is proof? :lol: Look at how much plastic is used in your engine and that should be proof that plastic is safe to use without any worries. ;)

Ya but that was the first thing to "F" up on mine was the Plastic.

But how many other HHR owners have had the same problem? I have never had and problems with plastic parts on any car I have owned. I see plastic used for many high heat applications on a daily basis. This whole metal versus plastic debate is crap. If you research it you'll find that plastic is better suited for the job.

Proven: in materials of the same thickness, plastic transmits heat quicker than metal.
Where is this proven? Perhaps you should specify the TYPE of plastic and metal that this was proven with as well. It's all relative. You've stated you have lab results. Why not link em?

My Saturn with 70,000 miles had it's plastic radiator crack, and since it was not metal it could not be repaired. I was told this is common. Went through 2 overflow bottles, also. And 70k is not considered high milage these days.

guys, some off you lost the point. the ? was about a shield, not an air tube with a seam. plastic has it;s place, saves weight, cosy effective and can be used to make almost anything. Mike, NASA disagress with you. Captain the basis for were you seem to stand is good but not allmighty. this ain't the end of the world. mike, sys looks great. i bet both sys do the job well. as for dyno results,,,,, who cares!

Well some of the members have already ordered the Airaide. So we should be getting some reviews pretty soon...


Ng

I am leaning more toward the CGS but only if the pipes comes in colors or chrome! :D

I am leaning more toward the CGS but only if the pipes comes in colors or chrome! :D

ooooooo......colors!!.......chrome!!!...........:D

I am leaning more toward the CGS but only if the pipes comes in colors or chrome! :D


I would say.. on the Airaid... you can prep the intake with Plastic/composite primer coat, then apply the paint color you want..

I would say.. on the Airaid... you can prep the intake with Plastic/composite primer coat, then apply the paint color you want..

Would this method work to paint the fuse bax cover, stock air filter cover, etc...? What about the heat?

Would this method work to paint the fuse bax cover, stock air filter cover, etc...? What about the heat?

Yes.. I believe they made the plastic/composite primer to allow the use of more spray colors.. they have spray plastic/composite colors that need no primer.. but you should scuff the surface to be painted a bit. a very very fine, prep pad should work..

Yes.. I believe they made the plastic/composite primer to allow the use of more spray colors.. they have spray plastic/composite colors that need no primer.. but you should scuff the surface to be painted a bit. a very very fine, prep pad should work..

Yup and if you want an anodized look Duplicolor offers a special primer so you can use their anodized look paints on plastic parts.

I'm thinking of going with Victory Red to match the exterior. Would the paint I get from the dealer be ok under the hood with all the heat?

Somebody (I think 1BadPig) painted his using the factory paint.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c122/amarini/paintedengineHHR.jpg

Wow... That's a lot of orange in there...

I hate where that inspection or registration sticker has to go. The orange is OK, but not many going to see it.

Somebody (I think 1BadPig) painted his using the factory paint.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c122/amarini/paintedengineHHR.jpg

Well that settles it, onward to Victory Red!!

Knew I should have gotten more than 1 can!:D

Somebody (I think 1BadPig) painted his using the factory paint.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c122/amarini/paintedengineHHR.jpg

Unless 1BadPig has his HHR registered out of state, the pic is not of his HHR. In Florida we're not special enough to get registration stickers for our windshield.

Then it might have been 1 Bad HHR. :confused: I know it was one of the 1 Bads. :smile:

That looks like a VA inspection sticker. It's in the proper location and color at least.

Then it might have been 1 Bad HHR. :confused: I know it was one of the 1 Bads. :smile:

Hmmmmm.....1 Bad Ng???? :lol:

How much Hp gain is there?

an extra 50hp for the plastic case of the airaid alone!

If it comes with a nice decal, make that 25 more hp!

http://www.autoanything.com/?kc=EMY06023

I would say yes... to the hood heating up when parked or stopped.. but once air travels over the surface of the hood it will cool....
I don't think you'll find much cool air to take in anywhere around the Phoenix area from May thru October!! I haven't come across any in the last 40 years. So I wonder if this change in air induction would be worth the trouble here?