Does anyone know of any gas station brands that do not allow any ethanol blends in their gas? I know it's usually a supplier choice, but I just wondered if any brands do not allow it...

Thanks!

That varies from area to area it seems. There are a lot that say Shell V Power has no ethanol in it, it does in my area..... Says so right on the pump.

I could find it occasionally in SC when I lived there, I saw no differance in mileage with or without E10.

I looked at 3 gas stations lately, and none of them said anything on them about containing it or not...

I filled mine up Shell yesterday and it was clearly displayed on the pump. I can't remember the last time I saw one here in the Atlanta area that didn't.... But I hear people saying they find it. I think if they do, they probably mark it, but who knows these days.

I just filled up in SC at an Exxon station and they had signs that clearly said no ethanol in their fuel. Don't know if it's a company wide thing or just an area thing. As for not losing mileage, when they put the 10% into the fuel in this area my 2001 4.3 liter S10 dropped 2 MPG.

Generally, disregarding those areas mandated by the FEDERAL Air Quality Standards, each individual STATE Air Quaity board/group make the decision on the ethanol blend requirement, for each individual state or county or area.

Check with your state Department of Environmental Quality or whatever it may be called.


Although this does not directly answer what state requires the blend, it may help in understanding the labeling laws of each state relative to ethanol.

http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html

I just filled up in SC at an Exxon station and they had signs that clearly said no ethanol in their fuel. Don't know if it's a company wide thing or just an area thing. As for not losing mileage, when they put the 10% into the fuel in this area my 2001 4.3 liter S10 dropped 2 MPG.

some exxon stores here in nc , also claim no ethanol. some other stores seem to be proud to offer it. i do a route in va sometimes and see signs in peoples yards stating that they do not want ethanol factory in their area. i would think that they would take anything they could get , because there is nothing else there for many , many miles. i guess they like living 20 miles from nowhere.

i know all the pumps around here label that it contains less than 10% ethanol on the regular. premium says usually contains less than 2%. try premium and see what you gas mileage does. people say that companies do winter blends with more ethanol because ethanol binds with water and keeps it from freezing.

Actually masterchief, from what I have read, ethanol MAY cause starting problems in some cold weather areas. Has something to do with less atomization, I believe.

what would you consider cold weather. ive never had a problem with starting and i am confident that the gas i buy has ethanol. id prefer that it didnt. and besides i did not say i believe winter blends exist.

Here in Arizona it all has ethanol.

what would you consider cold weather. ive never had a problem with starting and i am confident that the gas i buy has ethanol. id prefer that it didnt. and besides i did not say i believe winter blends exist.


Hell, I consider anything under 60.....cold weather:cool:. But as far as the article, I don't remember if a temperature was mentioned. I was researching ethanol use in the automotive world and ran across that statement, plus some discussion, supporting it. I do believe, it may have been the very northern plains states (Dakotas...maybe upper Michigan and Wisconsin) and maybe Canada. I did notice quite a lot of the stations in the Dakotas used ethanol blend, on my summer vacation 2 years ago.

Car Guy.....do they have ethanol blends in the outlying parts of the state? Like, Yuma, Flagstaff, Winslow, Douglas. I know at one time it was just the 2 counties, Pima and Maricopa. In fact, I live on the edge of Maricopa, next to Pinal. I might need to take a drive and see if Apache Junction pumps the blend.

I do not know of any place that has pure gas. I believe Ethanol hurts mileage but the gas stations here are not required to say how much is in there. The pump only says "May contain up to 10% Ethanol" Every station I have asked says they think it has Ethanol in it but not sure how much.

I do not know of any place that has pure gas. I believe Ethanol hurts mileage but the gas stations here are not required to say how much is in there. The pump only says "May contain up to 10% Ethanol" Every station I have asked says they think it has Ethanol in it but not sure how much.

Yeah...that's pretty much the same as it is in Michigan... Thanks Granholm!

I know people say ethanol makes NO difference to mileage or performance, but I beg to differ.

My truck was built in 1983, and the engine in it is from 1972. Obviously, neither was designed for any ethanol content. Over the past few years it has started running rougher. Sure it may be from age, but it was still old 8 years ago too! If I put premium in it (which has less ethanol) it does seem to run better.

Perhaps this is even why I've noticed MPG gains in my Lumina with premium. It isn't the gas that's better, it's the less ethanol....

I now have 3200 miles on the odo of my 2.4 HHR and was unhappy about the gas mileage, I was getting 20 city and 26 highway, was told even new should be getting better than that. Dealer told me to use tier 1 gas example Shell or Chevron etc. I was burning Premium with a 10 percent ethanol blend, someone told me that the ethanol lowers the mileage, so tried Chevron Premium without the ethanol blend and today I recorded 34.2 on the freeway. Does anyone know if you can remove the ethanol sensor or if it would do any good to do so, also if a person can only get ethanol blend(was told by station attendant that all gas had to have blend by end of year nation wide) what additive in the gas would be recommended? Either way it still gets better mpg than my 3/4 ton Surburban.:)

Hell, I consider anything under 60.....cold weather:cool:. But as far as the article, I don't remember if a temperature was mentioned. I was researching ethanol use in the automotive world and ran across that statement, plus some discussion, supporting it. I do believe, it may have been the very northern plains states (Dakotas...maybe upper Michigan and Wisconsin) and maybe Canada.

I'm thinking that what you read was just someone blowing smoke. There is so much misleading, anecdotal "evidence", and junk science spewed out by people on both sides of the issue that I no longer read anything related to Ethanol. Being from WI and having had to use E10 for the last 15 years or so, I have never had a bad cold weather experience with it. No one I know has either.

I still wear shorts and T-Shirts at 60. :lol:

When Pennsylvania allowed ethanol to be added to motor fuels with no more than a sticker on the pump, I noticed my mileage starting to fall off. My wife discovered one station in town that has no ethanol and there's another 3 or 4 in the county that I know of. I started using the no ethanol regular and my mileage regained the 10% it had lost. So, my question is this -- If I save 10% of the gasoline and have to use 10% more of the ethanol blend, does ethanol do anything more than transfer tax subsidies to the ethanol distillers?

In Florida there are several stations that sell no ethanol gas. Usually it is marine grade gas. No particular brand has exclusive rights to it. There is a BP station a few miles from me @ $0.15/gallon, unless you use a BP card or cash. I drove down to the Keys this past weekend and saw several stations advertising ethanol free gas along the route.

Even without ethanol, there may be oxygenates added that are even nastier.

So, my question is this -- If I save 10% of the gasoline and have to use 10% more of the ethanol blend, does ethanol do anything more than transfer tax subsidies to the ethanol distillers?

A point that more and more people are trying to make.

Using ethanol saves you absolutely nothing. Sure, it is cheaper... but you also get less energy out of it, thus less miles per gallon. So how is that supposed to be a good thing?

Besides, don't we have better things to do with our corn crop besides burn it in our cars?

A point that more and more people are trying to make.

Using ethanol saves you absolutely nothing. Sure, it is cheaper... but you also get less energy out of it, thus less miles per gallon. So how is that supposed to be a good thing?

Besides, don't we have better things to do with our corn crop besides burn it in our cars?

Ah yes, don't even get me started on that one...... Looks like typical politics to me...:roll:

A point that more and more people are trying to make.

Using ethanol saves you absolutely nothing. Sure, it is cheaper... but you also get less energy out of it, thus less miles per gallon. So how is that supposed to be a good thing?

Besides, don't we have better things to do with our corn crop besides burn it in our cars?


But Raineman, you're helping the environment (supposedly):D.

Using ethanol saves you absolutely nothing. Sure, it is cheaper... but you also get less energy out of it, thus less miles per gallon. So how is that supposed to be a good thing?


Do the comparison, if 109 octane (E85) is 25% cheaper than 93 octane (high test or E0-E10) and you get <25% fewer miles per tank, then annually you are saving money vs using a fuel with less Ethanol in it.
As for why using an alternative fuel is good so that you don't use oil, we all know the answer.
Remember, you spent less money than a hybrid and get better gas mileage than a hybrid. Even throughout the life of the car.

Seth

Do the comparison, if 109 octane (E85) is 25% cheaper than 93 octane (high test or E0-E10) and you get <25% fewer miles per tank, then annually you are saving money vs using a fuel with less Ethanol in it.
As for why using an alternative fuel is good so that you don't use oil, we all know the answer.
Remember, you spent less money than a hybrid and get better gas mileage than a hybrid. Even throughout the life of the car.

Seth

Perhaps... but remember, the widespread use of Ethanol as a fuel makes the price of corn go up.

Corn is used as a food product. It is also used to feed cattle, pigs, and chickens. So we pay higher prices on any beef, pork, or chicken products as well. Bacon, eggs, ham, milk, cheese, butter, hamburger, steak, not to mention anything made with corn meal, corn oil, or corn syrup (think sodas).

Corn is one of the most important food products in the country, it does not make sense to use it as a motor fuel. You might save $5 filling the tank, but you are going to spend $20 more at the grocery store.

Think of it this way... the technology exists today to make vehicles that run on water. I already pay $1.50 for a 20oz bottle of water, what would I pay if people were also using it in their cars?

And as far as the "end dependence on foreign oil" slogan goes... give me a break. We have millions of barrels of untapped reserves up in Alaska, but some people are too worried about protecting some stupid reindeer to actually go get it.

Try gas stations near boating areas. Here in SW FL non ethanol gas is readily available - medium grade; mostly because of the proven damage ethanol causes to older fuel systems especially in boats, motorcycles and small engine applications (lawn equipment).

Perhaps... but remember, the widespread use of Ethanol as a fuel makes the price of corn go up.

Corn is used as a food product. It is also used to feed cattle, pigs, and chickens. So we pay higher prices on any beef, pork, or chicken products as well. Bacon, eggs, ham, milk, cheese, butter, hamburger, steak, not to mention anything made with corn meal, corn oil, or corn syrup (think sodas).

Corn is one of the most important food products in the country, it does not make sense to use it as a motor fuel. You might save $5 filling the tank, but you are going to spend $20 more at the grocery store.



Proven incorrect so many times, it amazes me its still brought up. :roll:

Chardon Oil here in Northeast Ohio has NO ethanol, and seems to be the best gas around here....in my opinion.

Proven incorrect so many times, it amazes me its still brought up. :roll:

Ditto.

I live in Wisconsin, and we have Fleet Farm Gas Stations, where the lower grade and upper grade don't contain ethanol, but the middle grade does. But I'm not sure if there's only Fleet Farms in the Midwest or if they're nationwide. I've noticed that a lot of BP's around here (but not all) will have no ethanol in the premium gas.

There are a couple Mom & Pop stations here in Tenn. (TIKO) that sell straight gas.
But have so little traffic, I don't like to gas up at either of them..

But anymore isn't it all P4-Gas ?

But have so little traffic, I don't like to gas up at either of them..

I'd rather get E10 than gas that's been in the tank for 6 months...

Something to keep in mind is that alcohol has around half the energy potential of gasoline. Thus you would have to expect a decrease in mileage with alcohol based fuels. In alcohol racing engines, the fuel system is about twice the size of a gasoline engine. However, with alcohol's high octane rating, you can greatly increase cylinder compression for volumetric efficiency.

Oh, and a read in regards to E85.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/how-e85-ethanol-flex-fuel-works1.htm

Kind of timely I ran across this thread on fuels. Just yesterday I filled up my 09 2.2 with 93 octane just because.. The increase in power at the pedal was very noticeable. Now I'm wondering if the xtra octane will cause me any engine problems. I'm not always going to use premium but is it safe every now and then in a 2.2?

If your engine doesn't call for high test it won't cause any harm by using it..... typically it won't cause any benefit either.

Kind of timely I ran across this thread on fuels. Just yesterday I filled up my 09 2.2 with 93 octane just because.. The increase in power at the pedal was very noticeable. Now I'm wondering if the xtra octane will cause me any engine problems. I'm not always going to use premium but is it safe every now and then in a 2.2?

Yes, it's completely fine to do so. I do, I like the cleaners they have in it (like Shell has, or so does Chevron.)

As far as benefits, that's really to each his own. People swear they get better mpgs with it, other say it's the same, some say worse. I've never had worse... Most times it's the same, but I've had before where I swear it gets better. It really may be a mind over matter thing. Now, I do know my truck runs better on it, but that's an old carb truck....

Well, your truck was built in '83, Regular gas was more than 87 octane back then so it's calling for better fuel. You should run a mid grade in that at least. On newer cars the cleaners and additives in high test can make a "regular" engine feel better if the injectors/etc. have become a little clogged.

I just wanted to chime in....

I have an '09 2.2 and use regular 87 octane on a daily basis. I am driving between 10,000 and 12,000 kilometers a month, 95% highway.

The injectors became fouled and I took it into the dealer under warranty. The dealer suggested I run premium (91 octane here) every 4th or 5th tank to keep the injectors clean, because of the additives in the premium fuel (techron / tactrol).

This was last fall, and since then, I have been running every 4th week with premium fuel. There is most definitely a difference in power between 87 and 91, however I havent seen any difference in mpg. The cost difference adds up as I am already spending $35/day or so on fuel with regular 87.

But in retrospect, running the premium 91 every 4th week keeps my mind at ease. I also run a bottle of ac delco fuel injector cleaner (techron) through the fuel system every couple of months. I am hoping to get 250,000 - 300,000+ kilometers out of this motor before I need to replace/rebuild it.

If you figure it out, it's only about 20 cents more per gallon, which is just over $3 per tank. Figure what's a bottle of injector cleaner, and it's cheaper to just buy it in the gas with premium. That's how I look at it. And I agree about the gas being different back then...

Premium in BC Canada averages around 13-15 cents a liter more than regular. With 30 liters being used a day, that equates out to about $78 - $90 a month difference for me between regular and premium. I know it gets confusing between liters and gallons. In the end, there is a bit of a price difference, this is why ive decided to stick with regular, with a bit of premium thrown in along with injector cleaner every couple of months.

btw we are taxed to death in BC, and with a harmonized sales tax being rolled out this year, the tax on fuel is going up another 6% if im correct. Death and Taxes :(

I just wanted to chime in....

I have an '09 2.2 and use regular 87 octane on a daily basis. I am driving between 10,000 and 12,000 kilometers a month, 95% highway.

The injectors became fouled and I took it into the dealer under warranty. The dealer suggested I run premium (91 octane here) every 4th or 5th tank to keep the injectors clean, because of the additives in the premium fuel (techron / tactrol).

This was last fall, and since then, I have been running every 4th week with premium fuel. There is most definitely a difference in power between 87 and 91, however I haven't seen any difference in mpg. The cost difference adds up as I am already spending $35/day or so on fuel with regular 87.

But in retrospect, running the premium 91 every 4th week keeps my mind at ease. I also run a bottle of ac delco fuel injector cleaner (techron) through the fuel system every couple of months. I am hoping to get 250,000 - 300,000+ kilometers out of this motor before I need to replace/rebuild it.


That's really interesting. Fuel blends may be different in Canada. I wasn't aware of any difference of "cleaner" inclusions between Premium (91 octane) and Regular Unleaded (87 octane). In fact, with the exception of some no-name brands I can state that NAME BRANDS, such as Shell, Chevron, here in Arizona have the same quantities of cleaners in both premium and regular. And a recent discussion on another forum included a representative of Chevron stating the same.

There is a difference between grades. In the U.S. ethanol is NOT dealer optional. The "name brands" do have different additives in them,....but the "off brands" get their product from the same "tank farms". The only real difference is the octane rating at the pump. Just throw some "whatever is on sale" injector cleaner in every now and then. BTW, if you look closely, you will find that injector cleaner is "jet fuel" i.e. diesel that has been subjected to testing and dyed a certain color.

donbrew....

If you are responding to me, I believe you misunderstood my intent.

MOST MAJOR fuel companies have the SAME AMOUNT of cleaner in their RESPECTIVE premium or regular fuels. For example, if we speak of Shell they have their "nitrogen" cleaner/additive in regular and premium AND in the same proportions. Same goes for Chevron....techron in both premium and regular....etc. etc.

I do believe the amount of additives differs in the grade of the fuel, though this is hearsay so i could be wrong. I know this is how petrocan advertises their fuel. The dealer did suggest that i use premium fuel, and the reason being, the increased amount of techron. This would be a good topic to debate though!

I'm sure I saw somewhere that there is less ethanol in premium, or it isn't as strong or something... I don't know for sure though, but like I said if the truck runs better, I like it! :thumb:

Nope, Kid.....

But this may be true for Arizona only.....but I doubt it.

I spent many hours in the Phoenix Arizona Fuel Tank Farm. Raw gas (meeting EPA MINIMUM requirements) is delivered, for the most part, from El Paso, TX......through an underground pipeline. It is distributed to the various storage tanks at that facility. The additive blend, of the various manufactures, is delivered, by tanker, to the farms and stored in each fuel companies proprietary tank.

When a delivery to a specific brand is made, in most instances, an independent transport loads the raw fuel from the bulk tanks, which is measured at disbursement. The correct proprietary additive is then added by whatever the formula dictates.....NOTE: in most instances, it is about 1% (you can compute this, but essentially at 20,000 gallons of gas, it would be approximately 200 gallons of additive).

When that same independent transport reports later, for delivering to the "no-name" stations , the bulk fuel is loaded without the addition of the additive package. The exception to this is for those independents that agree to pay a licensing fee for a name brand additive package....in one instance, to my knowledge, one no-name chain pays a license fee to 2 name brands, using a blend of both additive packages.....but at lower quantities than what is normally incorporated.


Now, many years ago, when "real" additives were first introduced, they were ONLY used in the premium version of the fuel. One was Mobil, whose CEO got egg on his face when he referred to his "special proprietary additive" and indicated that it would provide additional benefits to the vast number of vehicles that GM, Ford and Chrysler were building. He then found out that those vehicles relied on regular fuel and the additives were only in the premium versions.:red:


Oh, and forgot to say.....adding ethanol to gas is a CHEAP way to increase octane levels. Many far northern states: Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming, did this a few years back. As someone mentioned in another thread, the E-85 is about 105 octane.

I know that Sunoco stations in PA use to sell pure gas (as high as 100 octane out of the pump), there are no gas stations I know of down here that sell pure gas, everything has ethanol unless you get some race gas. :(

I'm A little confused....

Those people that indicate that ALL the gas stations sell ONLY ethanol added fuels....are you speaking of the NATIONWIDE EPA MANDATED addition, or of the E-10 or E-15 versions.:confused:

Several counties in Arizona sell NON ethanol gas in Arizona. Just purchased some about 2 weeks ago, when I was in Kingman (kind of the northwest corner of the State).

I'm A little confused....

Those people that indicate that ALL the gas stations sell ONLY ethanol added fuels....are you speaking of the NATIONWIDE EPA MANDATED addition, or of the E-10 or E-15 versions.:confused:

Several counties in Arizona sell NON ethanol gas in Arizona. Just purchased some about 2 weeks ago, when I was in Kingman (kind of the northwest corner of the State).

depends on the EPA for each of their regions. For instance, I do not need to get my emissions tested, but literally across that bridge right there they do, the river is the EPA's regional dividing line. Evidently my carbon emissions don't travel across the river with my car! And in some places ,ethanol is only required during certain months. BTW ethanol reduces "emissions" but lowers MPG. So maybe you can find e-85 rated at 105 octane, but your MPG will still go down.

donbrew....

If you are responding to me, I believe you misunderstood my intent.

MOST MAJOR fuel companies have the SAME AMOUNT of cleaner in their RESPECTIVE premium or regular fuels. For example, if we speak of Shell they have their "nitrogen" cleaner/additive in regular and premium AND in the same proportions. Same goes for Chevron....techron in both premium and regular....etc. etc.

No basically agreeing with you.

The Harlot dings me for 91 octane fuel but she is worth it. I made it a point to buy Chevron gas before they too put in 10% EtOh. Now they all sell ethanol enhanced fuels. Sigh.
One of the things that was very noticable about my car was the way she started. All it took was a touch of the starter motor and it was running. It was so precise and dependable that I learned to just tap the start switch. My mechanic's pet Corvette starts the same way, so I liked it a lot. The first time I put in ethanol fuel there was that Uh Oh moment when it took longer for the engine to crank up. The quickstart effect returned after the tank was allowed to run nearly dry and refilled with pure gas. So I searched out and paid a tad more for Chevron fuel until they too added ethanol and pure gas was no longer available. It runs and probably gets nearly the same economy and always has plenty of power for the way I drive, but every time I start the engine, I feel like something must not be right.

2006 HHRLT1 (thus, HARLOT) 2.4 5-spd Daytona Blue. Altitude here is 7,000 feet above sea level.

Around here the only place to get straight gas with no ethanol is "marine grade." Ethanol is bad for small motors and old motors due to the fact it will wear out gas lines (correctly stated in a previous post by "chasman".) We have had that happen to several of our lawn care equipment. In small motors you don't run a lot it is best to run the motor out of gas before storing from what I have been told by many. A friend of mine put regular gas in his boat (not marine grade) and used ethanol stabilizer but after a month and a half the boat still ran "off." So obviously ethanol is not the best solution.

Keep in mind that in the early years of cars, most cars were in fact electric in the United States due to the fact that they were quiet and didn't spook horses. Now we have the high performance electric car, Tesla, that is faster than our beloved SS in the 0-60. Facts like these raise the question, "Then why the hell..."

The Shell station are here use to have signs saying 10% ethanol but just noticed the other day that now it says no ethanol added, guess I found my prefered station

The Shell station are here use to have signs saying 10% ethanol but just noticed the other day that now it says no ethanol added, guess I found my prefered station

I'll have to check my local Shell.. Even tho I got lower gas mileage using it..

www.pure-gas.org is a list of statons that sell no ethanol gas. I've tried it and saw no mpg gains and at a $0.60/gal premium price I didn't find it cost effective.

Of course there aren't any stations listed in Michigan.... :roll:

http://pure-gas.org/

They are compiling a list of Ethanol free stations listed by state. If you have a boat you should get your fuel here

Within the past few days there was an article in the paper stating that a bill had been introduced, for the EPA, raising the required 10% ethanol to 15%. There was no date stated for this to take effect and the small engine Mfg., marine industry and several other groups were fighting against this bill.

IMO this will probably be approved regardless of the arguments against it.

For the sake of older cars...I really hope it wont be passed, but you know it will...

http://pure-gas.org/

They are compiling a list of Ethanol free stations listed by state. If you have a boat you should get your fuel here

Well the gas stations not too far from me have priced it like GOLD !!! :(

PS: I certainly hope the 15% ethanol bill does not pass.. We are already pumping P4-Gas

P = Piss
4 = For
Gas = gas/blend, term used loosely..

Well the gas stations not too far from me have priced it like GOLD !!!


Guess we are lucky here cause its the same price as it use to be and other stations with the 10% ethonal in it

P4-gas. I like that sleeper. Very descriptive of what we are now offered. Where's that Sunoco 260 I used to get for the wife's '86 Buick Regal and my '80 Firebird?

Guess we are lucky here cause its the same price as it use to be and other stations with the 10% ethonal in it

Yep guess you are lucky.....(rub it in) LOL


P4-gas. I like that sleeper. Very descriptive of what we are now offered. Where's that Sunoco 260 I used to get for the wife's '86 Buick Regal and my '80 Firebird?

Thanks skyeglen, but that's about what it is.

You can still get 260 @ the Drag strip & more..& about 38 yrs ago I used to pump it @ 24 cents a gal.. Ahhh memories..

It is definitely NOT the retailer that chooses to sell the 10% etoh, in the US anyway. It is the US EPA that mandates it in certain geographical areas. The individual distributor or retailer has absolutely no say, if the gas is destined to be sold in area X then it must be 10% EtOH, across the river in area Y plain gasoline is sold.

Remember when, 120 octane was "Super"? My dad called it airplane fuel for his 1959 Chrysler Imperial.

In my area, there was a Lukoil station that didn't have ethanol, but recently they changed to having the 10% ethanol. Luckily, there is a mom-and-pop owned gas station that doesn't have ethanol in it, so I've been using that station. The owner of the mom-and-pop station said that the US government may soon pass a bill mandating that 10% ethanol is required. Has anyone else heard about this bill/law/mandate? (If it is true, I hope it never passes.)

In my area, there was a Lukoil station that didn't have ethanol, but recently they changed to having the 10% ethanol. Luckily, there is a mom-and-pop owned gas station that doesn't have ethanol in it, so I've been using that station. The owner of the mom-and-pop station said that the US government may soon pass a bill mandating that 10% ethanol is required. Has anyone else heard about this bill/law/mandate? (If it is true, I hope it never passes.)
I've heard a lot of talk about it, and I hope it never gets passed. I prefer to use 100% gas vs. 90% gas/10% Ethanol. I'm not really sure about the details of it though. I don't really know how serious it is or if it will actually be passed. But I definitely know it's out there and it's something that's been getting talked about lately, even on this forum.

It will pass and have a date stamp on it.

You guys really need to not worry about it too much. It won't end the day or crash the sun. I gave up worrying about it years ago.

Found another gas station selling 100% gas, prices are decent too..

Chevron, so as long as they sell it, it will be my gas stop.. :thumb:

I hope they NEVER pass that BS bill either..

Are you kidding me Sleeper... the evironmental guys are foaming at the mouth with this BP crap going on.