Did a search on here, but didn't find anything concrete on the subject

Has there been any confirmation if the new Orlando concept will indeed be the new HHR? Reports in the beginning of the year had the Orlando here as a 2011 model year...is this still happening?

I heard some rumours, it will not be called Orlando, but rather maintain the "HHR" Moniker.

Does anyone have any news or gossip on this?

HHR goes away with the Delta platform. The Orlando and GMC Granite comes with the Delta II platform. It will fill the spot of the HHR. Supposed to be a 2012 model, probably out at some point in 2011. Thinking of one for the wife to replace her MPV.

Ya...thinking about one as well ....My HHR will need to replaced in the next year and a half to two years. Just haven't seen anything for sure. Last I read its a big "maybe for sure"..LOL

The Orlando is coming out.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-plans-several-reveals-for-detroit-auto-show.html

Can't wait to see the new photo's. Wondering what all changed. My HHR still has many years to go. Hoping they will offer the Orlando with a stick also. BUt odds are......

Looks like I will see the production model Orlando at NAIAS according to the article and will post pics like I did last year:thumb: they said it would be a 2.0L diesel last NAIAS but being that was a Saab engine who knows now.

The diesel is still a go.

The Orlando is only going to change a little, the LED light etc will change but nothing major.

The engines are little under powered vs the hhr.

The GMC will be different like the Terrain is from the Nox.

Look for it in 2011 as a 2012 model.

Its for sure that the diesel is a go? If so i hope they reinforce the delta II platform a bit to allow for some extra towing! If they bring it out with a diesel i will be buying one.

Its for sure that the diesel is a go? If so i hope they reinforce the delta II platform a bit to allow for some extra towing! If they bring it out with a diesel i will be buying one.

At this point it is a go. But as you know thing have changed fast and often at GM.

Now on the other hand keep in mind it is not going to be a tow vehicle.
the Orlando will be motivated by a range of gas and diesel powerplants, displacing between 1.6L and 2.0L. The Orlando’s top engine offering will be a 2.0L diesel unit, putting out 150 horsepower and 236 lb-ft of torque.

Look for Six speed auto trannys and I would be shocked if a stick makes it since they sell so few in this class.

It will be FWD to start with a AWD option later. Also note their will be a specail version that will sport the Volts driveline. Yes plug in Orlando based vehicle will join the line up in a year or so after intro. More aerp changes will come with it and possible a 2nd gen Volt driveline with more range.

While this car will replace the HHR it will not replace the HHR in many ways.
GM needs to sell this to many new customers as they will lose many HHR owners as while it may be a good vehicle it will be like much of what is already out there.

I see the Olando for better or worse a Appliance. It will do the job well but it is not something that will be sporting or special in the looks department.

I have heard the Granite will have much different styling so I have hopes they may have something special for the present HHR die hards with it.

Great info thanks. I am not looking for much for a tow vehicle...just a bit more than the 1000lbs limit our hhr has. I would have to imagine an AWD diesel should be able to tow a few thousand lbs. Mahindra is bringing a 2.2L diesel truck out in the spring that will tow a bit over 5000lbs and has a payload of 1.3 ton. Unloaded the vehicle promises 30+mpgs. If the Indians can do it, the Americans should be able to.

I hope so, that way HHR's will go down in price and I can get another one.

Great info thanks. I am not looking for much for a tow vehicle...just a bit more than the 1000lbs limit our hhr has. I would have to imagine an AWD diesel should be able to tow a few thousand lbs. Mahindra is bringing a 2.2L diesel truck out in the spring that will tow a bit over 5000lbs and has a payload of 1.3 ton. Unloaded the vehicle promises 30+mpgs. If the Indians can do it, the Americans should be able to.

That is just it they are going for the MPG's. Even the Gas engines will all be Down on power compare to the HHR.

THe AWD will be an issue as it take power to run all 4 wheels so I think a FWD may tow a little better. Not to mention if the AWD would even be available the Diesel.

The Six speed will help a lot.

Most of what the Chevy Cruze will get will also be in the Orlando. Much will be shared.

I will post more once I get some more leaks. With the Detroit show coming up we will get a lot more info after the first of the year. Some GM folks are already doing controled info leaks. Note if you look around many spy photo's all of a sudden appeared of the Orlando. GM does this to stir up interest before a big release.

The big thing on the Orlando is it was designed for Europe and has the 3rd seat. Most Americans could care less about the 3rd row but in Europe it is a must. But if it were not for the Opel version we would not get the Diesel. So we get some things and we have to take some things.

I think this will sell but I wonder if it will really sell over 100K units per year like the HHR. The pricing will have to be right in this market to make this thing stand out. I expect a $16K to $26K range. Just my guess. It will have to remain under the Nox in price.

Great info, looking fwd to any further facts after the shows.:thumb:

Thanks for the Info according to Motortrend the Orland is suppose to go against the Mazda5 segment. I hope the diesel make's into production there needs to be more Diesel options out there.

Thanks for the Info according to Motortrend the Orland is suppose to go against the Mazda5 segment. I hope the diesel make's into production there needs to be more Diesel options out there.

The Mazda and a few others are the target here.

The Diesel will also be in the Cruze from what I hear. This will either prove there is deand and bring more or prove there is no market.

While Diesels have always has some demand with the Euro cars and trucks there was always a risk with the American and Asian cars since there just has not been proven demand. I hope this will prove there is a market and give us more options.

Diesel cars are like stick shift. some people demand them and when they are sold they only account for less than 5% of the market. So with GM selling more of the same cars here and over there now the risk is much less. This same factor will give us more AWD options too.

I would love to see a small DI Tubo Diesel offered at GM.

I would love the diesel too! I think VW is doing well with there diesel golf and jettas. Now that diesel is only a few cents more than gas, people should get on board.

According to GMs web site, it will be powered by a 1.4 liter turbo gas engine.

I think I will stick with my hhr. When I trade it in in 6 years or so, I will probably go back to a Silverado, as I do not care for the looks of the orlando.

I would love the diesel too! I think VW is doing well with there diesel golf and jettas. Now that diesel is only a few cents more than gas, people should get on board.

I did read about the diesel option. The VW's are outstanding cars with the TDI powertrain (I had an 02 Jetta TDI prior to my HHR). The VW motor is a work of art, not sure if the GM version is as efficient or relieable. If its available, I will put some effort into checking into it. If its any good, I'll take a diesel.....because you can't beat the mileage. I commute 150 km per day (94mi). My 2.4 is OK, but it is a far cry from the TDI.

Checking out some of the spy shots, it looks like they kept the production version close to the concept, but they flatened out the sides and bubbled up the greenhouse area up. I would have liked if they stayed with the concept proportions....but will hold out final judgement until I see it. Might try and make my way down to detroit for the show.

The diesel engine they would put in it would be designed by opel. A german engineering bunch that designed the first generation ecotecs. That being said I think you would have to worry much about it, opel makes a damn fine engine.

I would be VERY interested in one if they made a diesel.... But I heard that there will only be a diesel in the Cruze in Europe....

I'd wish it could make it here! Imagine the mpgs!

So maybe the upcoming GMC Granite was the clay mock-up that was shown in the background of that GM commerical with the exec strolling through the styling studio a while back? From the leaks, it sounds like it will be the sporty/style version of the Orlando and is the vehicle that may appeal to the HHR faithful. If so, I can forgive some of the looks but it better have the stuff to run with the big(ger) dogs like the SS for it to have any chance by me.

I like the Orlando as it appears now... of course, it will not look like that should GM officially build it.

I like the Orlando as it appears now... of course, it will not look like that should GM officially build it.

To be honest the finished car will be 95% what we have been shown.

Take away the LED lights and lighted door handels and just a few minor detail changes the show car was not far off the production car.

Most of GM's future production show cars are usnally no less than 90% of the final product.

I know it has camao but if you look close you can see most of the key styling has been carried over intact. There are some other photo's floating around since GM want this seen to tease the public for Detroit.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_popup/newgallery2.php?postid=23552&gallerynum=0&defimage=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.leftlanenews.com%2Fph otos%2Fimageresizeronfly%2FphpThumb.php%3Fsrc%3D%2 Fphotos%2Fcontent%2Fseptember2009%2Fchevy-orlando-1211-3.jpg

Also the interior is going to be along the show cars styling. The materials will be as good or better than the very goo Malibu. The Nox has already passed the Bu in interior quality.

The Camaro is a perfect example of how close GM is keeping thing to the show car and No one said the could do it but they did.

Note the new Malibu that will be shown will be another 95% complete production car with just a few show tricks.

As for the Diesel GM has stated it is in the future here and they have stated it is under condsideration for the Cruze in the state too. Like I said this is the plan now and could changed based on the market. The trick is to get more than the Euro car fans to buy the Diesel.

Most American do not know how good the new DI diesels are. They also balk at the increase in price of the engine. On average they can add $2000-5000 dollars to the car. These are things good marketing need to address. With the Cruze being sold world wide as like the Orlando it will be less of a risk for GM to give it a try with this line. If they fail here they will just keep selling them in Europe as they have. It is a low risk venture.

Well I sure hope they bring it over here! It very well could be my next vehicle then!

Here is what we think the GMC Granite may be.

http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/1/7/8/8/gmcommercialconcepts002.png

It is right behind Ed. Note that is the 2012 Malibu nose on the left.

Dang those pics are being reduced way under the allowed 640x480 i can hardly see anything.

Sorry, but this is the only web site I have to resize anything for and I guessed I missed when I went thought Imageshack? It was not intentional.:red:

Dang those pics are being reduced way under the allowed 640x480 i can hardly see anything.

If you want larger pictures go to Youtube and the whole TV spot is there to see under Ed Whitaker. Also cheers and gears and GM insider both had large blow ups of these to make it easier to see.

On the GMC there is not much to see other than the nose. But you get the idea.

wtf is up with those spy pictures? Looks like they covered up an aztec to drive around.

I see the specs show the Orlando at 176"...the same length as the HHR. As far as the third row seating, it folds FLAT, so it will still give you plenty of rear cargo space.

wtf is up with those spy pictures? Looks like they covered up an aztec to drive around.

Why would they cover it up if it did'nt change the looks from what it is?

Just look at the show car and imagine the LED driving lights as a round HHR SS like driving light.

Hey hyper, any new news on the GMC granite now that the Detroit auto show is only days aways? I really hope they give it styling cues from the HHR. I will be looking for a new car in 2012-2013 because at that point i will probaly have 150kmiles on my hhr.

http://i48.tinypic.com/15i5jcn.jpg

http://thelab.gmblogs.com/gmc-urban-utility-concept/

thanks solman, looks more like the gmc terrain from that angle.

Over at GMI they seem to think this will be on the Gamma platform verses the new Delta. I'm hoping they are wrong, cause the Gamma puts this in the xB catagory. :roll:

But it answered the question as to what this was in the background.

http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/1/7/8/8/gmcommercialconcepts002.png

I am on my I phone so I will post it later but the new GMC is the size of Xb. I have a profile comparo of this to the Xb and Terrain. It is much smaller than the Terrain

Please GM bring the Diesel ASAP. I would like to see a Diesel Option in the Orlando,Cruze,Colorado,Silverado 1500,Next Gen Malibu.

If they do bring the diesel, is anyone ambitious enough to do engine fuel line swap into the HHR? That would be cool hahaha.

Here is what the GMC Granite Vs the Xb to the Terrain will compare. Think of it as a little GMC Soul.

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9260/02urbanutilitygmctease.jpg (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/02urbanutilitygmctease.jpg/)http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/02urbanutilitygmctease.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img706/02urbanutilitygmctease.jpg/1/)

This thing will be a little more Soul/Mini and HHR vs the Orlando and Terrain crossover or minivan like quality.

With some of the crap out there this thing just may have a place and do well.

That is too bad, I am in need of more space not less. I guess ill just hope the Orlando will look cool, but if they make it more mini-van like I wont buy it.

That is too bad, I am in need of more space not less. I guess ill just hope the Orlando will look cool, but if they make it more mini-van like I wont buy it.

The Orlando will be more like a Minivan/Crossover.

The Granite will be more Mini/Xb sporty.

If I were hauling more I would just opt for the Nox or Terrain. A lot more for not all that much more money.

GM is getting more aggressive with their new designs. Just wait till you see the Aveo RS. It is not my kind of car but it make the Fiat 500 and the Ford Fiesta look like wimp mobiles. The first time I saw the RS I could not believe the change. The Aveo RS is 90% production as are most new concepts.

Also take a look at the new Regal GS. It is one sweet car.

So maybe the upcoming GMC Granite was the clay mock-up that was shown in the background of that GM commerical with the exec strolling through the styling studio a while back? From the leaks, it sounds like it will be the sporty/style version of the Orlando and is the vehicle that may appeal to the HHR faithful. If so, I can forgive some of the looks but it better have the stuff to run with the big(ger) dogs like the SS for it to have any chance by me.

The Granite is smaller than the Orlando, and supposedly built on the Gamma II platform (2011 Aveo). It's about 6 inches shorter than the Scion xB, which is it's main competitor. The Granite will be an inner-city urban-ute, a market that only Scion and Kia are in at the moment. It will be about the size of the HHR, inside and out and will appeal to young urbanites wanting to haul stuff from IKEA and Whole Foods to their uber hip condo downtown.

The Granite is smaller than the Orlando, and supposedly built on the Gamma II platform (2011 Aveo). It's about 6 inches shorter than the Scion xB, which is it's main competitor. The Granite will be an inner-city urban-ute, a market that only Scion and Kia are in at the moment. It will be about the size of the HHR, inside and out and will appeal to young urbanites wanting to haul stuff from IKEA and Whole Foods to their uber hip condo downtown.

Or appeal to a lot of old 60 and over people like the Element and xB has do far. Talk about missed the target market and still getting away with it. :roll:

Neither the Orlando or Granite rock my boat. Chevy should maintain the Retro theme with at least one of their vehicles. The HHR with 49 Suburban style was cool but has had it's run. How about coming out with another SUV type retro modeled after the 55 Nomad. I think that would be awesome and appeal to young and old..but that's just me fantizing..

It all fairness to GM they have one model that is a neoclassical or retro vehicle. The new camaro has body lines taken from the old camaro, and its a damn sharp car. Also in my feeling the Buick Enclave has a classic feel with its stylish body lines. Having said that I would like to see more. Maybe make the new corvette like the stingray concept in the transformers movie or bring back the SSR but make it an actual truck and not a convertable hot rod.

The Granite is smaller than the Orlando, and supposedly built on the Gamma II platform (2011 Aveo). It's about 6 inches shorter than the Scion xB, which is it's main competitor. The Granite will be an inner-city urban-ute, a market that only Scion and Kia are in at the moment. It will be about the size of the HHR, inside and out and will appeal to young urbanites wanting to haul stuff from IKEA and Whole Foods to their uber hip condo downtown.Love it! :lol::nuts::lol:

Or appeal to a lot of old 60 and over people like the Element and xB has do far. Talk about missed the target market and still getting away with it. :roll:The older folks want vehicles that are easy to get in and out of and to maneuver so they are buying up whatever they can find in the marketplace that fills these needs. This according to my ol' Dad, aged 87 and still driving. He's owned nothing but mini-vans and small SUVs of various makes during the past 25 years. He likes my HHR!

i am all for the aveo rs that thing is cool

I personally don't care for the Darth Vader/Terminator look of the Granite, but the Orlando may have a place in my garage if I can get it in AWD and an LTZ upfit.

We looked at the Terrain and Equinox as a replacement for our Olds Bravada Platinum and frankly, would like to downsize even more than that since our kids now have their own cars and the rear seat is seldomly used anymore.

The sizing thing has already been proven with our ownership of the HHR. We love the size, but need (yes need; not merely want) a 4WD or AWD for winter in our area, otherwise we might not be able to get to our home in heavy snowstorms.

We're used to the programmable & heated seats as well as the other bells and whistles that the Bravada Platinum was equipped with, so I hope that an upscale option will be available.

The older folks want vehicles that are easy to get in and out of and to maneuver so they are buying up whatever they can find in the marketplace that fills these needs. This according to my ol' Dad, aged 87 and still driving. He's owned nothing but mini-vans and small SUVs of various makes during the past 25 years. He likes my HHR!

So true. My folks love my HHR for that very reason, and when I borrow their mini van to haul stuff, I lend them mine ....they never complain LOL. Easy to get in and out of (especially for my Dad, who has wonky hips and a bad back). To be honest, I like it for the same reason. My good buddy bought an 09 Malibu. Super nice car, but what a difference trying to get in and out of it compared to my HHR. Boxy and upright has its benefits.

The front of that Granite looks pretty sexy ....can't wait to see it

The older folks want vehicles that are easy to get in and out of and to maneuver so they are buying up whatever they can find in the marketplace that fills these needs. This according to my ol' Dad, aged 87 and still driving. He's owned nothing but mini-vans and small SUVs of various makes during the past 25 years. He likes my HHR!

I understand this but the fact I am gettig at is Honda and Scion was targeting 20 year olds and were shocked with seniors not their intended market.

In other words the markting people blew it with the collage kids but had their butts saved by the Older folks who did latch on to these cars.

As for the retro thing it has passed. GM would be a day late and a dollar short if they invest too much into the older styling. We will continue to see some herritage styling cues but we will not see entire retro based designs.

The truth is there is as much C6 Vetter in the 2010 Camaro as there is 69 Camaro. Chevy knew the trend was moving back to a little more modern and wanted to make sure the car was still very modern with the folded and cut lines.

The new Alpha Camaro will be a little more Modern with Herritage cues only.

Kia Soul sent a signal that the little box if made stylish could sell to a wider group. Also GMC is trying to offer not just what Chevy offers and this would give them a chance to have a place in the small sport market. In other words this may have had been a Pontiac if they did not have to cut divisions.

best I have found of the Orlando so far

http://www.autoincar.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/chevrolet-orlando-volt-1.jpg

I'm sort of digging the new GMC Terrain...it's got traces of HHR styling with its fender shape, and it shares the same 2.4 liter(which seems too small for a CSUV of that size), and I like all its goodies...even though it's the Eqinox's replacement.

http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/1/7/8/8/2010_GMC_Terrain.jpg

best I have found of the Orlando so far

http://www.autoincar.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/chevrolet-orlando-volt-1.jpg

Note the smaller one on the left is based on the Volt and will be a plug in hybrid once in prodution

I wll post some pictures of the Granite when I get home, I am on the phone now.

anyone have any better pics of the Orlando?

anyone have any better pics of the Orlando?

The GM press Photo's are pending soon as they will release them at anytime for the Detroit show. Give me 24-48 HR. I am not sure what day they are due.

I'm sort of digging the new GMC Terrain...it's got traces of HHR styling with its fender shape, and it shares the same 2.4 liter(which seems too small for a CSUV of that size), and I like all its goodies...even though it's the Eqinox's replacement.



I have driven the new Nox with the 2.4 DI and it does well around town. It will speed up on a on ramp well but needs rev'd up.

The 3.0 DI is also available if needed. The new 2010 Terrain and Nox are sisters with different dresses and dash lights so choose what style you like and you are geting the same platform.

I an say the new Nox is a totally different vehicle than the old one. It was a very enjoyable drive and we may look to buy one once demand drops. They are selling so fast GM has has to buy Suzuki out of the Canada plant and expand production. As of now the dealers are not giving much off sticker so I will wait for it unless something elese comes along. It will be a V6 Too.

And yall are talking about non HHR's in the HHR General section and not the Lounge area why? Started out as a innocent question and turned into a synopsis of a different breed vehicle.... just curious
If this were a Ricer it would have been shut down long ago...like the 3rd responce in...

even though it's the Eqinox's replacement

But what I REALLY like is the fact that it doesn't look much like an Equinox at all! The Torrent was just a rebadged Equinox, where this actually looks like a different car. There was no reason to buy a Pontiac over Chevrolet before, where now they actually look like different vehicle, even if they are the same underneath. I think that's what GM needs to do.

The older folks want vehicles that are easy to get in and out of and to maneuver.....

Apparently, you've never been to South Florida. The elderly here love their Caddies and Town Cars.

anyone have any better pics of the Orlando?

from last year NAIAS of my pics:

http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/1/2/7/5/100_0749.JPG
I like the fog/accent led lights
http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/1/2/7/5/100_0750.JPG
headlight
http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/1/2/7/5/100_0751.JPG
tail light
http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/1/2/7/5/100_0752.JPG
3 rows of seats
http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/1/2/7/5/100_0753.JPG
http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/1/2/7/5/100_0754.JPG
interior with led accent door handles
http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/1/2/7/5/100_0755.JPG
pop out step boards when doors open
http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/1/2/7/5/100_0756.JPG
rims
http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/1/2/7/5/100_0757.JPG
cool chevy shiny emblem pic does no justice
http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/1/2/7/5/100_0758.JPG

^Thanks ....but I was referring to some spy shots (non cammo) of the production version

http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/22/autos/chevrolet_volt_mpv5/index.htm?hpt=C2

looks like a version of the new Orlando to me.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/22/autos/chevrolet_volt_mpv5/index.htm?hpt=C2

looks like a version of the new Orlando to me.

It is definitely an electric version of the Orlando. I wonder if that would be able to tow anything. The electric motor should be able to produce enough torque to pull. I guess it would come back to how rigid is the uni-body. I dont think Electric vehicles will catch on untill people can haul around their toys with it.

The only way elec vehicles will catch on as a whole is when gas runs out.....
I guess woofers/speakers in the tail pipes will be common then too..

An attractively styled and priced electric vehicle would be welcome in my driveway.

Well they have scrapped the Orlando for US. So if you want a small gm suv go for the terrain or equinox. Link provided here.

http://rumors.automobilemag.com/6641596/news/not-in-america-gm-scraps-plans-to-sell-2011-chevrolet-orlando-in-us-market/index.html