http://uk.autoblog.com/2010/01/08/chevrolet-unveils-aveo-rs/

Chevrolet has released the first details of its Aveo RS Concept, which will make its debut at the Detroit Motor Show next week.

The Aveo RS Concept has been designed to make the small hatchback appeal to younger car buyers in the US, and gives the clearest indication yet as to how the next generation Aveo might look.

The show car – pictured here – retains the familiar Chevrolet 'face' but gets a deeper front grille and side inserts with integrated fog lights for a more aggressively styled look. It also gets exposed headlights and sits on 19-inch gun-metal alloy wheels. At the rear an integrated spoiler, centre-mounted exhaust and chrome exhaust tips finish the car's look.

Inside, a matte black interior is highlighted with gloss black, metallic and blue inserts while the leather seats feature contrasting blue stitching.

The Aveo RS is powered by a 138bhp 1.4-litre turbocharged petrol engine mated to a six-speed manual transmission, which Chevrolet says offers both performance and decent fuel economy.

The Aveo is due to go on sale in the US in 2011 with production starting later this year at Orion Assembly in Michigan creating 1,200 jobs.

http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/4/8/6/5/aveo_rs.jpg

Nice to see that they will be building them here, rather than importing them!

GMI has pictures of the car posted all over the place. Unfortunately the headlights and taillights are not (at current) slated for production. I for one hope that GM includes the lights. The new Aveo otherwise looks VERY sharp, and I would have no problem buying another one when the HHR is ready for replacement. The Orlando is simply too big.

I would have no problem buying another one when the HHR is ready for replacement.

I have a feeling there are quite a few new cars coming out that just may replace some of our HHRs! I'm keeping my eye on the Cruze!

GMI has pictures of the car posted all over the place. Unfortunately the headlights and taillights are not (at current) slated for production. I for one hope that GM includes the lights. The new Aveo otherwise looks VERY sharp, and I would have no problem buying another one when the HHR is ready for replacement. The Orlando is simply too big.

I have seen the tail lights on the production car and they are different but still carry similar styling. I would ignore the LED lights as they will not make production.

Here is some photo's of the production car that give you an idea of how they will turn out.

http://carsspyphotos.com/2011-chevrolet-aveo/

As you see it the car is about 90% production.

Note too the Orlando is not as big as you think and the the new Granite GMC will ge much smaller like the Scion Xb. Note GM has a lot more you have not seen yet coming.

I think that looks good an Aveo I would actually drive

The tail lights on the production test model look a lot like the current 5 door's taillights.

I think that looks good an Aveo I would actually drive

I agree, but I wonder how many people will buy that over a Cruze? Won't they be close in price? They may be competing with themselves still, as they are with the Aveo and Cobalt. You see more Cobalts than Aveos.

I think it's cool. Beats the snot out of the Yaris, that's for sure.

138 f'n HP....

Holy f'n WOW :lol::confused:

I agree, but I wonder how many people will buy that over a Cruze? Won't they be close in price? They may be competing with themselves still, as they are with the Aveo and Cobalt. You see more Cobalts than Aveos.
I would. I bought my HHR because it was a hatchback and I'd consider the Aveo due to that very same reason...and that it looks cool, of course. :D When both of my kids are old enough to drive and have their own cars, something like the Aveo is all I would need. Just enough room for me and the JRT.

I agree, but I wonder how many people will buy that over a Cruze? Won't they be close in price? They may be competing with themselves still, as they are with the Aveo and Cobalt. You see more Cobalts than Aveos.

The they are different sizes and the Cruze is going to be more expensive than the Cobalt. It will have much more uplevel trim and options than the Cobalt ever had.

Add to the mix an even cheaper Spark that is like an Aveo only smaller coming too.

The fact is Hatchbacks in this county have had a limited interst.

The Cruze will play to the Civic group as the Aveo plays to the the Fiesta and Fit people.

138 f'n HP....

Holy f'n WOW :lol::confused:

i am shur that it is just like the lnf they are holding back alot of power.

I wish Chevy never killed off the S-10

I wish Chevy never killed off the S-10

It wasn't big enough...They needed something to go up against the Dakota... Now where's the Dakota now? Go figure... Another "ingenious" decision by GM...

http://chevytruckworld.tenmagazines.com/gallery/87silver/288487-thmb.jpg

It wasn't big enough...They needed something to go up against the Dakota... Now where's the Dakota now? Go figure... Another "ingenious" decision by GM...

http://chevytruckworld.tenmagazines.com/gallery/87silver/288487-thmb.jpg

Precisely.....my point. my former 98 S-10

Precisely.....my point. my former 98 S-10

As someone who bought an S-10 last summer, it really was too small. I was literally unable to get that seat adjusted in any way that didn't either have me slouching forward, or mashing my knees into the dashboard. My I-280 is perfect in size, and I get within 1 - 2 mpg of the dime that I briefly owned.

I was just coming on here to post this, pretty sweet looking ride but they need to put the 2.0 Turbo in it. I would actually buy this little booger.

The Aveo will only be worth about 50% of it's selling price after 3 years. Any Toyota[the Yaris was mentioned] or Honda will be worth 75% of it's purchase price. Even Fords are starting to retain some value where in the past they rivaled GM in used car value.

GM keeps spending BILLIONS in advertising claiming their cars are as good as the competition. They are NOT!:red:

Yes, a few models shine...but too many GM cars are just junk...the Impala comes to mind.

I would not have a Chrysler product and the Dakota is among the least reliable trucks in existence. ALL Chrysler products suffer from crap electrical systems and motors [including the Hemi] that have numerous design flaws.

The Aveo has a bad rep and just advertising and paying off major auto publications to market it will not work. :(

The Aveo will only be worth about 50% of it's selling price after 3 years. Any Toyota[the Yaris was mentioned] or Honda will be worth 75% of it's purchase price. Even Fords are starting to retain some value where in the past they rivaled GM in used car value.

GM keeps spending BILLIONS in advertising claiming their cars are as good as the competition. They are NOT!:red:

Yes, a few models shine...but too many GM cars are just junk...the Impala comes to mind.

I would not have a Chrysler product and the Dakota is among the least reliable trucks in existence. ALL Chrysler products suffer from crap electrical systems and motors [including the Hemi] that have numerous design flaws.

The Aveo has a bad rep and just advertising and paying off major auto publications to market it will not work. :(


Um, sorry..but I do believe all of your statement was opinion.

In fact, my grandpa bought a 1998 Dakota brand new, and still drives it. Has 140k on it, never had a problem!

And, you're comparing the Impala, which was designed well before the new GM. How can you compare a car that was released to the public in 2005 to ones in 2010-12? That's quite a few years of difference...

You can't compare old models to new ones....they change them.

The Aveo will only be worth about 50% of it's selling price after 3 years. Any Toyota[the Yaris was mentioned] or Honda will be worth 75% of it's purchase price. Even Fords are starting to retain some value where in the past they rivaled GM in used car value.

GM keeps spending BILLIONS in advertising claiming their cars are as good as the competition. They are NOT!:red:

Yes, a few models shine...but too many GM cars are just junk...the Impala comes to mind.

I would not have a Chrysler product and the Dakota is among the least reliable trucks in existence. ALL Chrysler products suffer from crap electrical systems and motors [including the Hemi] that have numerous design flaws.

The Aveo has a bad rep and just advertising and paying off major auto publications to market it will not work. :(

I do believe there are thousands of Honda forums across the net LEAVE and go there. Your on the wrong forum to bad mouth GM

I do believe there are thousands of Honda forums across the net LEAVE and go there. Your on the wrong forum to bad mouth GM

I'm a car guy, usually Ford, but I really like my HHR SS a bunch.

I'll complain about GM here thanks....and Fords on various forums and my Scion on the Toyota forum.

Reality is reality.....get used to it...:lol:

I'm a car guy, usually Ford, but I really like my HHR SS a bunch.

I'll complain about GM here thanks....and Fords on various forums and my Scion on the Toyota forum.

Reality is reality.....get used to it...:lol:

how is it reality? i have owned many gm cars except for one honda wich was a big POS and never had problems with any of them, sold my camaro with 220,000 miles on it.

how is it reality? i have owned many gm cars except for one honda wich was a big POS and never had problems with any of them, sold my camaro with 220,000 miles on it.

Like someone said....my opinion and there are exceptions.

Bet I've owned more GM cars than you have!:poke:

I am a GM man, love GM always opt for a GM car, if they have what i am looking for. But what i will say is that the 2007 chevy aveo my wife had was a pos. she only put 27,000 miles on it and had to replace bearings, and have the whole housing pan and housing rebuilt because of bad gaskets. We promptly got trade it in, unfortunately on a 09 mazda5, thats because the chevy orlando hasnt come out yet. I was hoping we could hold out, but the car was falling apart.

What I like though is how people just assume the new models are crap too, before they've even come out! You have to remember how many years apart these are!

What I like though is how people just assume the new models are crap too, before they've even come out! You have to remember how many years apart these are!

It's a Korean car....now...rag on the Japanese awhile....:nuts:

I hope like hell it's a GREAT car, but GM needs to stress quality as much as advertising....:thumb:

It's a Korean car....

But that's the thing...the new one won't be. It's going to be made in Michigan.

I am guessing the aveo rs was the beat/groove/traxx then sparxx(sp) concept replacement. I still like the look.

I am guessing the aveo rs was the beat/groove/traxx then sparxx(sp) concept replacement. I still like the look.

No, the Spark is still a go. It's coming out in 2011. It's going to be smaller than the Aveo. How that's possible, I don't know...:lol:

The Aveo will only be worth about 50% of it's selling price after 3 years. Any Toyota[the Yaris was mentioned] or Honda will be worth 75% of it's purchase price. Even Fords are starting to retain some value where in the past they rivaled GM in used car value.

GM keeps spending BILLIONS in advertising claiming their cars are as good as the competition. They are NOT!:red:

Yes, a few models shine...but too many GM cars are just junk...the Impala comes to mind.

I would not have a Chrysler product and the Dakota is among the least reliable trucks in existence. ALL Chrysler products suffer from crap electrical systems and motors [including the Hemi] that have numerous design flaws.

The Aveo has a bad rep and just advertising and paying off major auto publications to market it will not work. :(

I hate to have to agree on this one. My HHR SS isn't worth spit compared to what I paid for it new. My wife's Honda is worth more.

I'd agree that sometimes, GM puts out a winner and it goes under the radar. Take the early 90's trucks, great drivetrain, good durability, awesome design, I still see many on the road even with the salt we throw down. The 3800 in my Firebird was a great engine and at 98K, it was flawless, I'm sad to have sold it. Overall, it was a great car, just not practical for my family. If you live in the north, you'll see Corsica's and Beretta's occasionally. They don't have the rust issues that many cars have. The Lumina/Transport vans faired well up here with a friend of mine getting 200K on his.

I really think it's hit or miss with GM and unfortunately it takes 10 years to realize that the 90's S-10 was a tough little truck or the pick-ups from that era last forever. When you buy a Honda, it goes without saying. We sold my wife's '98 Accord with 160K for 4K last year and were blown away that it took 2 days to sell!

I wish the American Auto manufactures well but I don't have faith that they will survive. Too much of the money (IMO) is getting spent on upper level management salaries and advertising and not enough on building a solid car we want to buy. And when I look at the window sticker and see that it was 75% made in Mexico, I reallly don't want to "Buy American".


Jim

PS, my Jeep is a POS and I will NEVER buy Chrysler again. EVER!

The Aveo is built in Korean by GM Deawoo, so if you really get to the heart of the Aveo it is a Deawoo.:lol:

As a 19 year old I've had 3 cars. 00 pontiac sunfire, 98 civic, and my current 09 HHR SS. To throw my 2 cents in on the current topic of "junk" and "a good car" it all depends on what you want and the car you get. No two cars are going to be the same in performace or durability. Common knowledge. Also it depends on what you want the car for. If you want performance then honda is definately not what you want to buy unless your looking for a weak ass motor to swap out for something better, build, then boost it. Then maybe you'll be able to get out of a loaded 18 wheelers way taking off from a red light. But I will give honda one thing. The car was durable and the hand brake locked up well allowing the rear end to come around on turns perfectly. haha. But in comparison to the sunfire, i'd rather of had the sunfire. The car was just as durable as the honda and ran perfect at 110,000 miles. As for the HHR SS, I've had little problems while some people on here have had major problems and others have had none. In comparison to its competition the MS3 the SS is 150% better of a car. 3 local owners of the MS3's have had major issues such as blown turbos, messed up drivetrain, and a motor mount breaking causing major problems all at less than 30k miles amoung other issues. If it has moving parts your bound to have something go wrong. lol.

Back on topic of the original post. Gm wants this to appeal to the younger generation aka my generation and younger. Personally I love this car and I think it'd make an impact on my generation who appeals more to VW hatchs shaped kinda like this car. I'd buy one for sure with a good price and a 5yr 100k mile warrenty like my SS especially since it'd be built in America, good on gas, and should still have a little performance, most likely more than stock hondas. :thumb::thumb::thumb:

I really like the look of the Aveo RS as it sits now. The problem with this segment of cars is that manufacturers normally don't spend the money on interiors and refinement because they don't feel they will be able to recoup the cost. Small hatches in the U.S. have never been extremely popular like they are overseas. Too bad really. Ford has stuck some major $$$ into the new Fiesta so we will see how that works for them.

The Aveo is built in Korean by GM Deawoo, so if you really get to the heart of the Aveo it is a Deawoo.:lol:


Not anymore...

The Aveo will only be worth about 50% of it's selling price after 3 years. Any Toyota[the Yaris was mentioned] or Honda will be worth 75% of it's purchase price. Even Fords are starting to retain some value where in the past they rivaled GM in used car value.

GM keeps spending BILLIONS in advertising claiming their cars are as good as the competition. They are NOT!:red:

Yes, a few models shine...but too many GM cars are just junk...the Impala comes to mind.

I would not have a Chrysler product and the Dakota is among the least reliable trucks in existence. ALL Chrysler products suffer from crap electrical systems and motors [including the Hemi] that have numerous design flaws.

The Aveo has a bad rep and just advertising and paying off major auto publications to market it will not work. :(

Thanks for your 02. Funny you bring up the Impala considering its one of the few GM's that have not undergone a major update. We will see what you think of the New Impala when it arrive's.

Also some people don't care all that much for resale. Some buy based on Safety,Price Point, Fuel economy. When you drive over a 150k in 5yr's resale Value mean's very little.

The Aveo is built in Korean by GM Deawoo, so if you really get to the heart of the Aveo it is a Deawoo.:lol:

New Aveo, Built in MI, putting 1200 employee's back to work.

The Aveo is built in Korean by GM Deawoo, so if you really get to the heart of the Aveo it is a Deawoo.:lol:The 2011 Aveo will be built in Michigan. And since there technically is no such thing as a Daewoo anymore, since GM bought it outright, it's a Chevy.

The Aveo will only be worth about 50% of it's selling price after 3 years. Any Toyota[the Yaris was mentioned] or Honda will be worth 75% of it's purchase price. Even Fords are starting to retain some value where in the past they rivaled GM in used car value.

GM keeps spending BILLIONS in advertising claiming their cars are as good as the competition. They are NOT!:red:

Yes, a few models shine...but too many GM cars are just junk...the Impala comes to mind.

I would not have a Chrysler product and the Dakota is among the least reliable trucks in existence. ALL Chrysler products suffer from crap electrical systems and motors [including the Hemi] that have numerous design flaws.

The Aveo has a bad rep and just advertising and paying off major auto publications to market it will not work. :(
I don't consider resale when I buy a car, it's actually the least important part of the transaction. I buy a vehicle to drive it, and I buy what I think looks good, drives well and fits my needs...I don't really care about a hypothetical "what if I trade it in after 3 years". I DRIVE my cars. I have a nearly 70 mile daily commute (round trip) and I will normally put 26K a year on my cars. It used to be more but since my "significant other" and I started car-pooling, it has gone down somewhat. Resale is great for leases, but not for people passionate about cars.

It's a Korean car....now...rag on the Japanese awhile....:nuts:

I hope like hell it's a GREAT car, but GM needs to stress quality as much as advertising....:thumb:
So are Hyundais and they are highly regarded as great, reliable cars...and they sell very well. Being "Korean" has NOTHING to do with it.

The 2011 Aveo will be built in Michigan. And since there technically is no such thing as a Daewoo anymore, since GM bought it outright, it's a Chevy.

{Here is a little more information about GM Daewoo/GM Dat}

GM Daewoo is supposed to take responsibility for developing the future version of the GM Gamma platform, currently used by the Opel Corsa D and the Fiat Grande Punto. Therefore, it has been speculated that the Chevrolet Corsa C, sold in Latin America since 2002, may be replaced or joined by a slightly modified version of the Corsa D - in the latter case, it might be named Astra (like the Chevrolet Vectra, which is a Opel Astra C with a different front end), and the Corsa may be followed by a Kalos/Aveo built on the Corsa B's platform with many shared pieces with the Chevrolet Celta.
The 2009 GM Daewoo Matiz Creative

Developed by a global design and engineering team, the GM Daewoo Lacetti Premiere was introduced in October, 2008.

In August 2009, GM Daewoo released the Matiz Creative, design being based on the '07 Chevrolet Beat concept.

The Chevrolet Orlando concept production version is going to be manufactured by GM Daewoo, and has alredy been spotted on the Chinese roads.[12]

Images recently leaked of a new 2011 model, known under the VS300 project, being a rebadged 2010 Buick LaCrosse. It is supposed to be named GM Daewoo Alpheon. [13][14][15]

On Monday, 11th of January '10, Chevrolet will present at the 2010 Detroit Motor Show the GM DAT designed Aveo RS Concept, which introduces the forthcoming Kalos/Gentra. [16]

{Here is a little more information about GM Daewoo/GM Dat}

GM Daewoo is supposed to take responsibility for developing the future version of the GM Gamma platform, currently used by the Opel Corsa D and the Fiat Grande Punto. Therefore, it has been speculated that the Chevrolet Corsa C, sold in Latin America since 2002, may be replaced or joined by a slightly modified version of the Corsa D - in the latter case, it might be named Astra (like the Chevrolet Vectra, which is a Opel Astra C with a different front end), and the Corsa may be followed by a Kalos/Aveo built on the Corsa B's platform with many shared pieces with the Chevrolet Celta.
The 2009 GM Daewoo Matiz Creative

Developed by a global design and engineering team, the GM Daewoo Lacetti Premiere was introduced in October, 2008.

In August 2009, GM Daewoo released the Matiz Creative, design being based on the '07 Chevrolet Beat concept.

The Chevrolet Orlando concept production version is going to be manufactured by GM Daewoo, and has alredy been spotted on the Chinese roads.[12]

Images recently leaked of a new 2011 model, known under the VS300 project, being a rebadged 2010 Buick LaCrosse. It is supposed to be named GM Daewoo Alpheon. [13][14][15]

On Monday, 11th of January '10, Chevrolet will present at the 2010 Detroit Motor Show the GM DAT designed Aveo RS Concept, which introduces the forthcoming Kalos/Gentra. [16]
Sigh. Daewoo is just a division now, that was my point. It isn't a seperate company anymore.

I hope the 2011 Aveo that will be built in Michigan is more Chevy then Daewoo.

Alot more Pic's here, Looks pretty good along with the Focus.

http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows/detroit/2010/112_chevrolet_aveo_rs_show_car/index.html

138 f'n HP....

Holy f'n WOW :lol::confused:

I'm pretty sure you won't be watching many at the track. :lol: Economy is the only thing you better be thinking of if you buy one. Tweentys will like them.

The Aveo will only be worth about 50% of it's selling price after 3 years. Any Toyota[the Yaris was mentioned] or Honda will be worth 75% of it's purchase price. :(

Source for these figures/predictions?


Yaris

But if you bought one then you would have to drive it. :barf:

resale Value means very little.

To me value is what you can sell something for on that day at that time.

No depreciation/devaluation figures make a squat of difference if you work a sale by selling high or you can always roll over and sell low.

Now that i see more pic's of the New Aveo, looks to be like a Honda Fit fighter.

looks to be like a Honda Fit fighter.

I think it is more of GM's response to Ford and their new Fiesta.

OK, so I am late on this post

First that Aveo RS looks pretty good. Looks a heck of a lot better then the blue one we have, first production year. Oddly enough I get better gas mileage in my hhr more often then not. Both around town and highway. With a lot more room.

The Spark is crazy small. When I was in Aruba they were al over the place. Very into small cars down there. We had a kia rio, not that small, but we werebasically off roading in it.

I liked the impala. Father in law had one. We took it on a road trip and we were getting 34mpg, and it was big enough to fit a futon in the back with the seats folded down, not many cars can do both of those...

I liked the impala. Father in law had one. We took it on a road trip and we were getting 34mpg, and it was big enough to fit a futon in the back with the seats folded down, not many cars can do both of those...

Yeah, my mom had a 2006 when they first came out... A VERY nice, comfortable car. We averaged on a trip about 38mpg going 60mph! Very good for a car that size. It was a really nice car, lots of nifty features and didn't feel "cheap" at all. I think Chevy really outdid themselves on that car at the time, then made everything junk.... I think that was about the only Chevrolet from the "old GM" that wasn't cheaply made...or so it seemed.

Yeah, my mom had a 2006 when they first came out... A VERY nice, comfortable car. We averaged on a trip about 38mpg going 60mph! Very good for a car that size. It was a really nice car, lots of nifty features and didn't feel "cheap" at all. I think Chevy really outdid themselves on that car at the time, then made everything junk.... I think that was about the only Chevrolet from the "old GM" that wasn't cheaply made...or so it seemed.

Your Probably correct considering GM isn't planning on changing it for another 2years.

I believe the polite way to say it is, "He pulled them from his donkey." :D

LOL....just be familiar with the market and not have a built in prejudice. Look at the MANY post just on this forum about how disappointed HHR owners are about depreciation. Compare various models on car sites dedicated to estimation of used car values....the evidence points to American branded automobiles have a much worse resale value than Toyota or Honda. Ford has improved drastically in perceived and actual quality and retained value. Notice I did not say these brands were perfect, just better built overall.

As any cop if he would rather be in a new GM product or an old Crown Vic.....get back to me...:lol:

GM's problem is that their quality is not consistent. When the Aveo first came out there was nearly a class action lawsuit because the first 3 years of Aveo got MUCH WORSE than the advertised/EPA fuel mileage.

As any cop if he would rather be in a new GM product or an old Crown Vic.....get back to me...:lol:



Doesn't the preference for the old crown vic have as much to do with the fact that it is larger and RWD as anything else? The cops haul a lot of crap around and complain that the newer cars are too small.

LOL....just be familiar with the market and not have a built in prejudice. Look at the MANY post just on this forum about how disappointed HHR owners are about depreciation. Compare various models on car sites dedicated to estimation of used car values....the evidence points to American branded automobiles have a much worse resale value than Toyota or Honda. Ford has improved drastically in perceived and actual quality and retained value. Notice I did not say these brands were perfect, just better built overall.

As any cop if he would rather be in a new GM product or an old Crown Vic.....get back to me...:lol:

GM's problem is that their quality is not consistent. When the Aveo first came out there was nearly a class action lawsuit because the first 3 years of Aveo got MUCH WORSE than the advertised/EPA fuel mileage.

Resale value is a two way street. You also have to look at the cost when you buy. Where will you get the better deal when you buy? Odds are, the better deal will be worth less down the road. And it should, it cost less to begin with.

Now dealing with cops, yes, ask them today and they want the Crown Vic if they have to be in a RWD 4dr patrol or pursuit car. Why, cause it's currently the only thing available. Now ask them if they would rather have the currenlty Crown Vic, or if they would rather still have the old Caprice with the LT1. Most cops hated when the Caprice line ended. That forced them in to the Crown Vic. But the future is coming on that line also. Actually already is, just hasn't made it to the US yet.

Now the Impala. Dated, boring, maybe. Junk, only issue I see is the rear trailing arm issue that had a recall for eating rear tires. We probably have about 500-600 in the state. Several thousand across the country. Junk, hardly. And a good bit of these are indeed cop cars.

All manufactors have problems, yes even Honda. I've owned 4, I have some experience with them. Best I had was an 88 Civic. Great car with no frills. Most boring one I had was a 99 Accord EX, shortest ownership of a car I've ever had.

Yeah, don't bother trying to pull of the cop car as being GM as to why they hate it... like everyone else said, it's rear wheel drive. There are still many smaller police that still use the Caprice to this day!

We'll see what happens when the Caprice comes to the US for cops in a few years.

The deal is there is no more, Chevy Opel, Daewoo cars. All gm cars are now being done with imput from all divisions world wide to sell in all markets. The best people from each company are now doing what they can with all the resources of GM not just what they have local.

This car will be built world wide including Michigan.

This is a larger car than the Aveo it replaces.

As for value it remains to be determind. Value is placed on cars by supply and demand.

The fact that the HHR is sold to fleet sales in large numbers and the fact you can buy a new one cheap has a lot to do with the low resale. While demand for used ones are good there is a large supply coming in from Enterprise.

Honda dose little with fleet sales and this is the key to their resale value along with demand.

Howmuch demand this car gives as well as if GM does fleet sales. THey have been cutting back on most new models since they do not need the cash flow from unsold cars like they used too.

As for the Impala it is a good no thrills car. but it like the rest of the W bodies is a very old car in need of a update. We should see it in 2013 as a 2014.

Note GM also has the RWD Chevy [G8/Holden] coming in 2011 as a police crusier and a shorter wheel base high end car in 2012. It will be limited but should do well. They are calling it a 4 door Vette so expect it to be more GXP like.

We also might just get the Ute too.

Note GM also has the RWD Chevy [G8/Holden] coming in 2011 as a police crusier and a shorter wheel base high end car in 2012. It will be limited but should do well. They are calling it a 4 door Vette so expect it to be more GXP like.

We also might just get the Ute too.

If GM would bring more of their Aussie cars to the US I'd be thrilled.The GTO was a great car IMHO and it has retained it's value for many of the reasons you describe.....but the overall price of a used car is not just set by availability but the consumer's perception of value.

Most of the Japanese makes, built in the US or elsewhere, have higher standards for the parts that vendors supply. That adds to the final fit and finish and leads to less variation on the assembly line and it only follows, fewer warranty claims.

This isn't just GM, but American manufacturing in general. Make a lot of them...make it cheap...that philosophy only goes so far before the actual quality suffers.

Another problem is that US automobile companys have not yet figured out how to deliver quality AND price but still make a profit that keeps the company in the black. It's a long process. For instance the 1991 Ford Escort[heavy Mazda influence] lost $100 for the company every time a new one was sold.....You have to balance that out with larger more profitable cars and trucks. Government rules and regulations have driven many plants out of the country and the new CAFE standards are gonna kill the V8 and large cars and trucks. The next decade will not be an easy one for US car companys!

The Topic of this thread is the Aveo RS. If you don't have something to add to the Topic then don't post.

Actually, I believe the last few posts before Brad's had nothing whatsoever to do with the Aveo...

In fact, if you want to get back to topic, you'd have to go to the last page...


*EDIT* To make this post on topic, I do like the new Aveo concept. Much better than it's predecessor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pm5IjuN100&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pm5IjuN100&feature=related

that video reminds me of the interactive screens at NAIAS for it. You can click an item and will play a movie about that feature.

pretty slick little clip if they actually build it to look like that, its going to be hot.