View Full Version : Suspension & added weight...
ChiTownHHR 07-01-2006, 05:23 PM Does anyone by chance know the weight capacity for any of the lowering springs, mainly for the rear?
I have 4 AWES10P (Audiobahn Eternal) Subs, an amp for each sub, a capacitor and 2 Yellowtops (on order) that I will be adding (hopefully) by my birthday this month. The subs are about 27 lbs. each, the mono amps are easily 12 lbs. and the capacitor is about 15ish lbs.. Now, the 225 extra lbs. isn't that big of a deal but all said and done using MDF for the whole project I fear may make the "rear-end" sag requiring me to go to the surgeon for "implants".
I guess what I'd like to know is if it would be better to go with a lesser drop than the Gold-lines to offset the weight possibly giving the HHR a level ride height?
ANY help would be GREATLY appreciate!
Thanks,
Jeremy
P.S. A 4' X 8' sheet of MDF is about 96 lbs. and the project will require atleast 2 sheets. (417 total lbs. give or take)
SoCalHHR 07-01-2006, 06:41 PM Coming from experience, I think you're going to need to add air shocks to compensate for that kind of load. Most lowered HHR's have a tough time with a full tank of gas & 2 people in back!
TruckSHOP.com 07-01-2006, 07:07 PM You may not even need drop springs in back with that kind of weight over and behind the rear wheels! You might end up needing helper bags (inside the springs), or air shocks, cause it'll ride like mush and bottom out. Have a couple 200+ lb buddies just sit inside the liftgate and see what size drop you get :lol:
ChiTownHHR 07-01-2006, 10:11 PM If that weight is going to have that much of an impact, I may have to fiberglass :eek: another box to house everything, though the one I have made to "hang" on the rear "holder things" in the cargo area is still unfinished. Being such the procrastinator is going to make for a long job :roll:
Thanks guys for the input. Now to make a decision. If anyone has an alternative idea, please let me know. I'm not much of a fiberglasser due to the time consuming nature of it.
Acrylic or plexiglass might not be a bad idea though Acrylic is expensive and I know of no place to get the amount of plexiglass I would need.
Thank you again.
P.S. On a side note, the back seats may be coming out as I never use them, so displacing the weight a bit might help? Any thoughts?
captain howdy 07-01-2006, 10:19 PM Acrylic or plexiglass might not be a bad idea though Acrylic is expensive and I know of no place to get the amount of plexiglass I would need.
http://www.mcmaster.com/
Harpozep 07-01-2006, 10:46 PM My Buick Rainer has bags and Bilstines stock. The spring bags automatically add/subtract air to a pre determined ride height. The air compressor goes on as needed and I have a compressor hose with an air gage as a stock extra from the compressor setup.
Can the HHR airbag controller keep a constant ride height, or is it just access to a number of manual presets? Both would be ideal of course. That is, being able to change as wanted AND not worrying as passengers embark/disembark and the ride keeps self adjusting.
ChiTownHHR 07-02-2006, 06:13 PM Thanks for the link, CH. I can't hardly justify paying $350 for a 4'X8' piece of Acrylic though. Ouch, just ouch to that price.
captain howdy 07-02-2006, 06:31 PM Yeah I know. :( But at least they have it. :smile: One of the many good things about McMaster-Carr is the have cast acrylic flourescent sheets. It looks real nice with some neon lights hidden, especially if you have a design or logo cut into it so it the design glows. ;)
ChiTownHHR 07-02-2006, 07:03 PM There are no doubts about how great it would look, but as I mentioned, that price is just killer.
I found some MDF alternative, I believe it was called "WheatBoard" or something similar. That idea brings back bad memories of when I had 4 Orion 10's in my '98 Regal GS 25th Anniv. I ignorantly made the box out of particle board :red:. Anyone that has been around stereo systems with that much pressure knows what particle board does. :nuts: I definately wasn't feeling like a :one: at that moment.
Anyone with any viable options? I normally use 3/4" MDF, possibly using 1/2" MDF may work in my favor, but would it be strong enough and not flex with that kind of pressure? I've always known MDF to be a superior building material, but never messed with a thickness less than 3/4".
captain howdy 07-02-2006, 07:12 PM I'm the same as you, I like to use 3/4 MDF.
cjuetten 07-07-2006, 09:54 AM If you are looking for a cheap, simple solusion to lowering. You could buy a pair of Spring Tech lowing spring. They lower front and rear the same amount. After you put all your gear in you would still have clearance. They're about the same price if not cheaper than other spings.
I installed Spring Techs in my HHR. I've had over 600lbs of stuff in it. It never bottomed out and road level. The spring tech will give it a slight rack, (not as bad as some of the photos posted here) basically maintains the stock rake only lower. I have over 8,000 miles on mine and I've never bottomed, rubbed or had any suspension problems.
The one thing I can't figure out is why none of the lowering springs come with specs. When I order springs for my race car I know the Spring Rate, Installed height, Installed Pressure, Harmonic Frequency all this on a $30 spring. Double the money and you get half the quality and all they can tell you how much it SHOULD lower your car. :clappy: :rof:
crowbar 07-07-2006, 10:18 AM You may not even need drop springs in back with that kind of weight over and behind the rear wheels! You might end up needing helper bags (inside the springs), or air shocks, cause it'll ride like mush and bottom out. Have a couple 200+ lb buddies just sit inside the liftgate and see what size drop you get :lol:
sorry for off topic post but is that hhr in your add a photoshop or not?:confused:
captain howdy 07-07-2006, 10:21 AM sorry for off topic post but is that hhr in your add a photoshop or not?:confused:
I wondered the same thing myself.
crowbar 07-07-2006, 10:47 AM I wondered the same thing myself.
im sure if it was real we would have seen pics of it by now
but i could be wrong and if i am that b1tch is bad:nuts:
Navyflyer11 07-07-2006, 11:43 AM Chi, I'm with CJUTTEN I have the springtech springs. Sounds like a great option for you and your system issues.:one:
ChiTownHHR 07-08-2006, 12:31 PM Thanks for the input guys! I may try those springs. I need to get the rest of everything installed and then I'll make a decision. I found someone here that will do helper shocks for next to nothing since he is a friend of a friend of a friend (or something like that).
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