View Full Version : Chevy HHR vs PT Cruiser


JonyyB
08-21-2005, 02:28 AM
<img src="http://www.chevyhhr.net/news/insidehhr.jpg" align="left" border="0" hspace="5" vspace="2">GM product guru Bob Lutz was at once on the defensive and the offensive, again, at January's Los Angeles Auto Show. The press was on his case, again. Some were scoffing at GM's just-unveiled Chevy HHR ("Heritage High Roof") as a Chrysler PT Cruiser clone.

"I read a news story today that is the height of stupidity," Lutz fumed at the assembled reporters. "GM's reply to the PT Cruiser, but it comes to the party at least three years late." Then he predicted: "Read my lips, the HHR will be sensationally successful."

Here's my take. First, the critics were right. The HHR is indeed a copy (not "clone") of the PT Cruiser concept, and it arrives five years after the 2001 PT reached production in July, 2000. Second, Lutz was right -there's no reason it should not be a slam-dunk success.

The PT concept, first unveiled as the Plymouth Pronto at the January, 1997 Detroit Auto Show, was dead-nuts brilliant. It combined cool retro styling (reminiscent of '40s Ford trucks) with terrific utility on a small-car platform with reasonable performance, good fuel economy and a very affordable price. "How can it miss?" we all asked. And it didn't.

Not by accident, too, its flat floor and removable rear seats make it a "truck" for CAFE purposes. That means every PT sold enables the sale of at least one big, heavy, high-profit, low-fuel-economy truck without blowing Chrysler's CAFE compliance. Brilliant. So why shouldn't GM (or anyone else) create something like it? Has the demand for such a cool, practical, affordable vehicle been soaked up by the PT and (stretching the concept to modern rolling cubes) Honda's Element and Toyota/Scion's xB? I think not.

HHR vs. PT

Why did it take so long? Would you do it on your aged previous-generation small-car (Cavalier) platform? It had to await availability of the new Delta (Cobalt/Ion) architecture and engineering resources. It would be, in essence, the third Cobalt body style. Why do a conventional small wagon when you can do a fresh take on the brilliant PT concept?

Compared to the PT - which gets a modest exterior facelift and a nice new interior for 2006 - the HHR is some seven inches longer, two inches wider and two inches taller on a half-inch longer wheelbase. The base 2.2-liter model is roughly 80 pounds heavier and $1140 more expensive than the Chrysler. Except for the PT's somewhat more generous rear cabin room, interior dimensions are close, and total cargo capacity with the rear seats removed is near identical.

Why choose one over the other? Styling. The HHR is more truck-like (inspired by Chevy's SSR and '49 Suburban), the PT Cruiser more car-like in appearance.

Then there's utility. The HHR's added length, height and squared-off rear roof provide more cargo room behind the rear seat. There's a dash-top storage box with a flip-up cover and three covered bins behind the rear seat. The rear load floor is a two-way shelf with hooks for flexible storage, and the right-front seat folds flat to accommodate your eight-foot ladder.

The HHR's suspension and architecture benefit from being newer than the Chrysler's. The suspensions are similar but the HHR's Delta architecture is newer, structurally stiffer and quieter than PT's Neon-based platform. Both engines are DOHC, 16-valve, electronically fuel-injected fours with twin balance shafts-but GM's aluminum-block, electronic throttle control Ecotec is smoother and quieter. In standard 143-hp 2.2-liter trim, it's slightly less powerful yet (Chevy says) slightly quicker 0-60 vs. the standard PT, and you'll have to opt for Chrysler's 180-hp turbocharged 2.4-liter four to beat the HHR's available 172-hp 2.4-liter normally aspirated four. The HHR also wins in fuel economy and has a 16.2-gallon fuel tank vs. the PT's 15-gallon tank.

Touchy-feely stuff

Inside its tall, airy cabin, there's nothing in common with platform-mates Cobalt and Ion save the new-design radio. The seats supported us nicely, the three-spoke wheel felt substantial and properly sized, and materials on the dash and doors looked good - not soft, but textured and well put together.

We loved the bright-ringed, precision-look gauges, the well-designed steering wheel buttons and the radio's 24 to 36 mix-and-match AM/FM/XM presets.

Rear-seat room is good even for the long of leg, and (unlike in the Ion and Cobalt) there's substantial footroom under the front seats. Granted, this was a top-of-the-line 2LT, and it succeeded in looking more expensive than its modest price.

The base 2.2-liter Ecotec four is an eager performer in a small, lightweight car, and the new 2.4-liter provides a healthy step up, even when pulling through a four-speed automatic. It steps out smartly from rest and feels quicker than it is, powering past 60 mph in a tick under nine seconds. There was no manumatic to control our up- and downshifts, but GM has been slow to accommodate the few of us who love that feature.

Judging by this and the last few examples we've tried, GM has learned to tune its energy-efficient electric power (rack-and-pinion) steering for far better feel and feedback than earlier examples. We flogged our (FE3-equipped) HHR on our secret curvy test route, and it powered through turns sweetly and happily like the nicely balanced small car it is, not at all like the practical trucklet it sees in the mirror. Braking, too, was balanced and powerful despite cost-saving rear drums.

Basics and upgrades

Every HHR boasts standard A/C, a driver information center, power mirrors, remote keyless entry, 16-inch wheels and tires, privacy glass, cruise, a touchpad-activated rear liftgate and (with automatic trans) GM's remote engine start feature. The standard AM/FM/CD sound system has an auxiliary channel and a front-mounted jack for an iPod or other audio source. The LT models get standard MP3 capability, and a 260-watt Pioneer enhanced performance system with subwoofer, OnStar and XM Satellite Radio are available.

Beyond that, the HHR comes in three flavors: base LS and two levels of LT. Pretty much everything you don't see, except the five-lug hubs to accommodate five-lug (vs. the Cobalt's four-lug) wheels, is Cobalt. Everything you do see, including the attractive and surprisingly quiet interior, is unique to the HHR.

The $16,990 1LT adds an eight-way power driver's seat, cast aluminum wheels and satin chrome trim. The $18,790 2LT gets the more powerful 2.4-liter engine, 17-inch wheels, FE3 sport suspension, fog lamps, ABS, leather-wrapped steering wheel and shifter, bright chrome trim and the high-end sound system. ABS is optional on 1LT and heated leather seats available on both LTs. For some reason, traction control comes with ABS but (like remote start) only with automatic. Our loaded 2LT test vehicle stickered at $22,875 with options including automatic trans ($1,000), leather ($750), power sunroof ($725), running boards ($445), high-polished wheels ($395), XM ($325), uplevel radio ($295) and roof rails ($150).

Yes, its like-it-or-not looks are classic-truck caricature, not unlike Chevy's slow-selling SSR factory street-rod pickup. But where SSR is a large, heavy $40K-plus two-seat cruiser, HHR (like PT) is a $20K-minus, small, easy-to-drive five-passengers-plus-stuff econohauler. As PT Cruiser fans, we enjoyed the HHR more than expected. And it did attract a lot of positive attention, even from our normally blasé neighbors.

Ironically, HHR replaces the ill-conceived Pontiac Aztek at GM's Ramos Arizpe, Mexico , plant. GM gets criticized when its innovation flops, and when it doesn't copy competitors' good ideas (300C, new Mustang) as well as when it does. But why shouldn't this fresh new take on the brilliant PT Cruiser work?

We're betting Lutz is right.

2006 Chevrolet HHR
Base Price: $15,990
Engine: 2.2-liter/2.4-liter in-line four-cylinder, 143/172 hp
Transmission: Five-speed manual, four-speed automatic
Wheelbase: 103.5 in
Length: 176.2 in
Width: 69.2 in
Height: 65.2 in
Curb Weight: 3155 lb (2.2L manual)
EPA (city/hwy): 22/30 2.2L manual; 23/30 automatic
Safety Features: Dual-stage front airbags with Passenger Sensing System, anti-lock brakes, pre-tensioning seatbelts, available head-curtain side-impact air bags, available OnStar
Major Standard Features: A/C, power mirrors, remote keyless entry, cruise, 16-in. wheels and tires, driver information center, privacy glass, and (with automatic) remote engine start.
Warranty: Three years, 36,000 miles

Source: TheCarConnection.com

urbexHHR
05-27-2010, 06:53 PM
Old thread?

acolddark0
05-27-2010, 07:19 PM
Its dated 05. Boy if they only knew of the SS when this was written. They really would down the fugly pt loser.

Talvanos
05-31-2010, 04:03 PM
I am not sure about the 06 HHR, but my 2010 has way more rear cabin room than any PT I have been in. I have a friend who has a turbo PT, and says he likes my HHR way better than his PT. It's a shame Chevy is dropping the HHR line, I think once people really get to the HHR after it is gone they will be clamoring for it. People like me generally keep cars for at least 5 years or till they die preferably. LOL A 4 year run on a car is not really long enough for the public to notice especially with the lack of advertising they had on it. I didn't even know they had the HHR till I went to the dealer looking at Cobalts. LOL

gregshhr
06-03-2010, 09:38 PM
I had a PT back in 05, with the Turbo, it was not a GT, but a limited, I really enjoyed driving it, but I have to say I love my HHR more, it has more room, drives and handles better, and has more power and gets better mileage. I do how ever miss the manumatic, the PT had, it was fun, especially on the twisty Tenn biways in my area, so far that is my only issue that I have with the HHR.

THE BATMAN
06-03-2010, 10:12 PM
I've pulled along side 4-5 in the last year, I leave at light speed and none have tried,
They know about the SS :cool:

mongo
06-06-2010, 03:33 PM
Had a PT as a rental, the steering wheel center was about an inch or to to the right of the seat center, a bit annoying on a long drive.

Mowgli
06-06-2010, 05:47 PM
Had a PT as a rental, the steering wheel center was about an inch or to to the right of the seat center, a bit annoying on a long drive.

I had that issue with my 2WD Mitsu Mighty Max pickup.
I installed Eclipse GSX seats using the outer (towards the door) holes.
I had to drill the other two.

The seats were infinitely more comfortable than the pickup bench but slightly off center.
I got aches from driving it more than 100 miles so I sold it.

Too bad, it only had about 100K and got over 28 MPGs. Over 30 on road trips!

RAD
08-15-2010, 10:18 PM
wow, listen to this if you have a minute... i work for a dealership, chrysler jeep dodge to be exact. i bought my chevy hhr from a gm dealership...obvieously. the gm dealership that i bought my hhr from is right next door to my work. every day i have to hear about how i drive a "hhr-pt loser" or a "small animal hurress" as a manager which i wont name refers to my car. ive also heard techs call my car "a pt with an engine." its all good, so far they have been nice on rippin on my hhr...theyre new subject of convo is about my two hundred and fourteen dollar tint tickets..hahahaha.-R.a.d

sleeper
08-16-2010, 12:30 AM
Just jealous....Don't sweat the small stuff.. ;)

mdharris55
10-17-2010, 05:33 PM
just bought 2009 HHR in july after our Impila bit the big one. was the only car the wife and me could agree on.
glad I came across this sight have learned so much more about them, has been very helpful. thinks for all the info postings.

mdharris55
10-17-2010, 05:43 PM
I had one dodge that was one to many, and I can tell you that the pt in front of cruiserer stands for part time. they spend more time in the shop then on the road.

sleeper
10-18-2010, 02:12 AM
I had one dodge that was one to many, and I can tell you that the pt in front of cruiserer stands for part time. they spend more time in the shop then on the road.

:roflol::twothumbs:

goetylsd
10-18-2010, 02:28 AM
Wow, I can't believe I have never seen this thread before! I would never have considered a PT Loser when shopping around for a car. I don't necessarily hate the front end that much, but I can't stand the fact that the back end is a 45-degree angle and I also don't like the way the tail lights look. Plus the PT Loser's roof is significantly higher in the back than in the front; it looks way too sloped in my opinion. The appearance of it is basically what I hate the most; I don't necessarily hate Dodges, but I do hate Fords.

MeijerLPO
10-18-2010, 05:03 AM
People be hating on us HHR owners cuz we know we got the right one over their P.O.S. Pt. Loo-sahs. I sat in a Pt Crzr as a 6'2" 259lb guy, I couldn't do it. Sat behind the wheel of my HHR and it was like destiny! I fit like a glove and we understand each other perfectly. The only thing I need to do now is get the SS appearance kit from GM and paint match it/have it installed.*sigh*

Musicguy
10-18-2010, 11:01 AM
I never considered a PT and never would. My SS replaced a Dodge Ram quad cab and a Honda S2000. It doesn't carry or pull as much as the Dodge and it doesn't give me the open air and pure sports car pleasure of the S2000, but it's a pretty decent package of good carrying ability, fun to drive, and decent gas mileage that the PT couldn't come close to.

1970judge
10-19-2010, 11:25 PM
PT cruisers where never a consideration for me, but my aunt and uncle had one and the thing fell apart after about 50k miles, and the rear brakes squeeled off the SHOWROOM floor..well it took about 100 miles. Dealer never could get it fixed, after spending more time in the shop than on the road, hey dumped it finally.

MeijerLPO
10-20-2010, 04:53 AM
Shame they didn't go with an HHR first.

TomsHHR
10-20-2010, 08:10 AM
Don't forget the PT and the HHR were designed by the same person, Brian Nesbitt if I remember correctly.

And my HHR was purchased in 2005

87silver
10-23-2010, 10:33 PM
I like the door handles on the PT. They look like the ones on my '64 Bel Air.

sleeper
10-23-2010, 11:13 PM
I'll admit I test drove a couple PTs' back when they first came out..
Just couldn't pull the trigger on getting one tho..The turbo one had some heavy torque steer... Glad I waited now, :twothumbs:

radioaman
12-03-2010, 06:41 PM
I had a 2001 PT Cruiser and it was a blast to own especially in the first years of owning it as everyone wanted to know more about it, practcally a show stopper wherever you went, then in 2004 I traded it in to a Turbo lite version. After getting it to the 180,000 km mark it started having problems with the steering amongst other things, it just had to go, why put major money into something that needed more & more work to keep it on the road. So I started looking into a new ride, most cars/trucks are sometimes hard to get in with my size of 6'2" but then I spotted a 2010 HHR Panel and I knew this was the car for me. I had always wanted Chrysler to add a PT Cruiser Panel to their lineup but they never did so when I seen this one it was gonna be the one I would buy. Its real nice to start passing gas stations instead of stopping in so many with the PT, as it averaged only about 23 mpg on a good day not like my 28-32 as of today. Both cars seem similar to me in the interior room, a bit different in the back seat as I dont have one any longer, a bit darker too as my lack of rear windows. I changed the stereo so I could add a backup camera and Ive added only a few minor mods so far. New rims and some other mods will get me next year ready for the shows/events. Larry