To me it just isnt necessary. You dont have to include curse words in your post or words with *** to make a point. It doesnt get any more shock value. I see it more and more lately. To me if you are in public around alot of People do you cuss then? to me the WTF usage is vulgar and crude and not necessary and to me really not that great and not that funny.

We have a dungeon just for that and that is what that is for. why not make the rest of this forum something to be proud of and not vulgar.

How hard is it to limit oneself from putting in cursewords, no more difficult than the typing you are doing to put them in, it is all about choice.

SO Why Do It? i know you say, well i hear cussing all the time in public, soooooooo. there are alot here offended by it and it really isnt necessary. the english language is full of so many ways to express yourself w/o the use of the limited language of cussing.

Its a shame we on the forum that dont cuss in posts and are offended by it are afraid to hit the lil red triangle on that post and just say,,,, is this use of words really necessary.

the HHR is a family car and it would be nice for all that come to our forum as guests and there are many to not have to read vulgar language. Click the Chevy HHR Forums and hit Ctrl end and look at the list of visitors or click Quick Links and at the bottom is Whos Online. there are always guests. we have many that come here reading wanting to buy an HHR for the first time.

does cussing in posts help our forum or hinder it?
do you use cursewords at work? if i did in public schools i would be out fast.

i personally am offended and i am sure there are many others and maybe some will speak up or just say it bothers me.

i can add a simple poll if people want me to
cussing in public forum post bothers me
yes
no

Personally it doesn't bother me one bit. :roll: I swear with **** because that's how I talk. ;) The words I type on the screen are the same words that would leave my mouth if I were talking to a person face to face. :thumb: Also remember I'm from the greatest state in America, New York! :usa: I think everyone that lives here swears during their normal conversations. :lol:

You CHOOSE to be offended just like I would choose to use those words. There is nothing "naughty" about the use of any word in the english language, otherwise they wouldn't have definitions. You so happen to believe that you shouldn't use those words. I happen to believe that every word is fair game. Would be the same argument if I used this board as a pulpit for the Catholic church and you chose to be offended at my words because you are atheist. Again, I didn't offend you, it was your choice to be offended. And quite honestly threads like this offend me. So much for the freedom of speech in this country.

I see this thread has potential for getting out of hand, history says so. I think it's a good discussion topic. Lets try to keep it in check here gang and make it a productive intelligent discussion.

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: <----- Because Admin says I can! I take this as an acceptable and alternitive way to saw it without spelling the words.

I personally 'try' not to curse in the public forum(s). But being an adult who is very opening minded, am not offended by such content. However, am sensitive to those that are offended by such.

The vBulletin adds the **** when a word is posted that has been listed for editing in the programs software as set by the Administrator.


The guide lines have been layed out on the rules and guidelines page.
"No excessive or continual use of profanity or vulgarities" and "Remember that our goal is to provide a friendly atmosphere for all. If you feel that certain remarks or links are inappropriate please use the "report to moderator" link so that it can be evaluated."

If you feel the need to reevaluate these guidelines, shoot a PM over to JonnyB and I'm sure he'll change policies if deemed necessary.

Here is from the FAQ page:

Why have some of the words in my post been blanked?
Certain words may have been censored by the administrator. If your posts contain any censored words, they will be blanked-out like this: *****.

The same words are censored for all users, and censoring is done by a computer simply searching and replacing words. It is in no way 'intelligent'.


As we have seen, there are ways to get around the software edit feature.

I agree with you CJ... I don't see any reason to curse when posting... if that is how you talk, then so be it.. but get a dictonary and learn a few new words so that everyone can enjoy what they read, and no worry about what their kids may be reading over their shoulder.
MPS

I was going to make a long winded comment about this, but I'll just sum it up with what DaJoker said...you choose to get offended with the same words other choose to use. The last time I checked we still have freedom of speech. You just have to lighten up a bit and not take whats said on these forums so seriously.

Understand that even if this is a "family oriented" site about 95%+ of members here are 18 and over. Adults cuss. As far as children are concerned, this forum community should not be held responsible for what your children read in these forums. There are so many ways you can shield your children from reading one's version of "inappropriate" materials.

You CHOOSE to be offended just like I would choose to use those words. There is nothing "naughty" about the use of any word in the english language, otherwise they wouldn't have definitions. You so happen to believe that you shouldn't use those words. I happen to believe that every word is fair game. Would be the same argument if I used this board as a pulpit for the Catholic church and you chose to be offended at my words because you are atheist. Again, I didn't offend you, it was your choice to be offended. And quite honestly threads like this offend me. So much for the freedom of speech in this country.

I think that about sums it up. :lol: :bow:

I was going to make a long winded comment about this, but I'll just sum it up with what DaJoker said...you choose to get offended with the same words other choose to use. The last time I checked we still have freedom of speech. You just have to lighten up a bit and not take whats said on these forums so seriously.

Although you have a good point HRR Pnoy... I still agree with CJ. Use the Dungeon if it is the only way you can get your point across. I unfortunately can run my mouth like a sailor.. I however choose not to... I do try to restrain myself when posting because you never know what age groups are reading the open forums? I restrain myself as a courtesy to those who don't talk like I sometimes do. In todays world.. are people Hypersensitive..yes..I hate the term politically correct.. it has done more to mess up our lives than help. But isn't that what makes the world go round.. all of us being different?

You just have to lighten up a bit and not take whats said on these forums so seriously.

nothing to lighten up about,, just a post like yours plain and simple and seeing what the members think

you just assumed when members post something like this, that person is upset,, ur assumption might be wrong and in my case it is very wrong.

isnt the goal of a forum like this to share ideas, help each other and enjoy our interest?
why does that have to include seeing cuss words alot of the times?

just simple questions

The question has been posed, let the masses reply.

This is a very sensitive issue with me. First, I am a Christian, so I try not to use offensive words. Second, I am against any kind of censorship, so I would hate to limit people in what they can or cannot use on this public forum. I guess, for me, it boils down to two questions. One, would you want your kids to hear you using those words? Two, would you want to hear your kids using those words? That being said, we are a free country, and as long as it's not excessive and certain words are edited with *'s, I think it's an individual conviction.

I agree with you to some point retro. This is how I see the forums as. ..act in it as you would in person.

Lets put this in a real life situation. You see two people having a conversation in public and one says "***************". Would you step in and tell them to please stop cussing because there are childen around and you are in the middle of disneyland?

to me the WTF usage is vulgar and crude and not necessary and to me really not that great and not that funny.


i personally am offended and i am sure there are many others and maybe some will speak up or just say it bothers me.

no

CJ,

According to your posts above you are offended. Normally when I get offended about something it upsets me in some way or another.

isnt the goal of a forum like this to share ideas, help each other and enjoy our interest?
why does that have to include seeing cuss words alot of the times?

This is being accomplished now wonderfully by each and every member of this board. Cuss words are by choice. People should not be punished by exercising their right to freedom of speech and expression.

I have to agree with Dajoker, when I read the a post I take what I want from it and leave the negativity behind. This forum has provided tons of wealth to those who have needed it. I always just read over the cursing and take what I want or need from a topic. This is an open forum and if the greater powers that be(moderators) allow *@#$:wtf: , and no one is breaking any of the rules then so be it. I will continue to choose to ignore it and enjoy our site. This is just my opinion.....:thumb:

This is a very touchy issue, for me I do not think there is a huge amount of cussing on here. I feel that the people on the forum should be able to express themselves the way they want. This is just like some of our music posts where people start trying to preach to others about how evil something is that one chooses to listen to or watch. I have bit my tongue and not responded to some of the discussions that have went on. I feel if the post contains something you are offended by or you are not at all interested in go back to the home page,you are not required to read all the replys. If it offends DO NOT READ! Also I would just like to ask how many kids are reading these posts. This is an owners site and I do not feel that there are probably a whole lot of kids interested in seeing what a bunch of owners are doing to their cars. Yes we have a few teenage kids who are interested in this car but I am sure they have heard these words before at school and I just feel that it is not that big of a problem. If it is a discussion you do not want to be involved in do not reply. This is my opinion and I am sure everyone will not agree but that is cool.

I agree with you to some point retro. This is how I see the forums as. ..act in it as you would in person.

Lets put this in a real life situation. You see two people having a conversation in public and one says "***************". Would you step in and tell them to please stop cussing because there are childen around and you are in the middle of disneyland?


Actually I would if it was the big F... and I have. I do have children, and for them I attempt to set a good example. There is a difference in carrying on a conversation between you and one of your buds talking any way you want, and then address a public group. This is an open forum for everyone, it's not a private conversation that no one else reads? I guess that is my point..how you talk to your buds is one thing, they know you and tend to share the same values etc. The site is for everyone... we all share it.. and we are all different.;)

I agree with Jesse, but I feel I have to answer PNOY's question. If I felt the language was that bad, and children were present, I would ask the offending party to watch their language, or take it to a different place. That's not so much because I'm a Christian, but because I'm still a little old fashioned.

I agree with Jesse, but I feel I have to answer PNOY's question. If I felt the language was that bad, and children were present, I would ask the offending party to watch their language, or take it to a different place. That's not so much because I'm a Christian, but because I'm still a little old fashioned.
I agree. As reponsible parents that is our duty. The same with the Forum if you feel it's not right then don't read it. There are definiatley other topic's to be read that won't offend you.

I guess that is my point..how you talk to your buds is one thing, they know you and tend to share the same values etc.

Hell that's how I talk to complete strangers. I don't have a different set of rules for each diffferent person I talk to. I talk one way and that's it! Whether you're family, a friend I had for 20 years, a co-worker, one of my employees, a complete stranger, the cashier behind the counter, or anybody for that matter.

Hell that's how I talk to complete strangers. I don't have a different set of rules for each diffferent person I talk to. I talk one way and that's it! Whether you're family, a friend I had for 20 years, a co-worker, one of my employees, a complete stranger, the cashier behind the counter, or anybody for that matter.

It's not a diffrent set of rules for each person I talk to, I talk to everyone the same with the exception that I know when my language can be a little more relaxed than normal. I really never use cursing unless I'm pushed to the point of little or no control and I'm not certain then that I understand the words that are comnig out of my mouth...:lol: I guess I have let the PC stuff get to me more than I thought. I do attempt to not offend anyone, and I guess when I am posting that is the philosophy I use.. when I post, I don't know who is reading what I write be it a pastor, a teacher, a kid, a whatever.. we all share so much great information, I would hate for someone to leave a forum and miss something because of a word I used....

Hell that's how I talk to complete strangers. I don't have a different set of rules for each diffferent person I talk to. I talk one way and that's it! Whether you're family, a friend I had for 20 years, a co-worker, one of my employees, a complete stranger, the cashier behind the counter, or anybody for that matter.


I dont see why one should have a different set of rules either. Now if a forum member says "#$%!" and "*&#!" in every other word of the sentence there IS A NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE EDIT THE CONTENT. I just think that trying to eliminate any/all cuss words from EVER being used in the forums tramples all over my right to free speech and that I will not tolerate.

The curse words draw attidute towards the post. As in I hate my ****en car dealer ship casue they riped me off. I have no issues if someone is pissed about the dealer. Its one thing to curse about something tangible. Its another thing to cusre about another member. I do not mind a bit cursing here or there. However its sensored. I do get upset when other members curse at each other. But it was said so far that you do not have to read everyone's comments. Its very easy to filter what you want to read and what you do not want to read. If you do not like a TV show you change the channel.

Its very easy to filter what you want to read and what you do not want to read. If you do not like a TV show you change the channel.
My feelings exactly:thumb:

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Talk about people who are phony's

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I am embarassed to say...I found my old tape case from High School.. I still have their tape....:red:

I try to be agreeable with everyone (if you knew me personally, you would find it hard to believe) but I have had great fun with most everyone who were earlier members of this group. (CH, CJ, etc.) I have learned quite a bit about my car here. I am a Catholic, so I should at least try to mind my manners (visions of Mom with a bar of soap), however, to each his own. Rather than the ******, we should use what has been provided (:wtf: :censored: :mad: :cussing: ). That's my opinion, and I'm sticking with it. For those who don't like my opinion, :bye:

:wtf: Yeah but, "Suck my :censored: :cussing: :censored: you :mad: :cussing: :censored: , I hope you :censored: :cussing: :censored: on a :censored: :cussing: :censored: :cussing: !" doesn't make any sense! :rof:

You don't need a weather man to tell you it's raining outside!

Sometimes I do. :red: :lol:

You don't need a weather man to tell you it's raining outside!

Well said! :bow:

When we see that much red in a post, it's raining (hard)! :lol:

maybe even softball size hail!:lol:

To me it just isnt necessary. You dont have to include curse words in your post or words with *** to make a point. It doesnt get any more shock value. I see it more and more lately. To me if you are in public around alot of People do you cuss then? to me the WTF usage is vulgar and crude and not necessary and to me really not that great and not that funny.


CJ

I agree with you, but as you probably already knew before you posted this question, it would be dominated by a small group of forum members. Honestly, if that is the language they use in their everyday conversations, well, enough said. :roll:

When we see that much red in a post, it's raining (hard)! :lol:

See, my opinion is that's hardly raining. :lol: I guess I'm desensitized to swearing, no amount of swearing can offend me. It is in so many of my daily conversations, so much of the media I like, and because my all time favorite comedians are vulgar as all hell. That makes me also believe swearing can be funny. Look at Redd Foxx for example! :eek: Old time blue comedy is the best! :twothumbs :rof:

CJ

I agree with you, but as you probably already knew before you posted this question, it would be dominated by a small group of forum members. Honestly, if that is the language they use in their everyday conversations, well, enough said. :roll:

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I'm gonna smack you with a steak!

It was a joke! :lol: The bottom line is this. We are all on here to learn, discuss our cars, and have a little fun in the process. NOT TO ENFORCE OUR BELIEFS, VIEWS, OR OPINIONS UPON ONE ANOTHER! Isn't that what the Nazis did? :poke: What you might find morally righteous others probably feel is complete bullsh*t! :usa: :twothumbs

Now back to :cussing: before a :lockd: ! :rof:

Personally it doesn't bother me one bit. :roll: I swear with **** because that's how I talk. ;) The words I type on the screen are the same words that would leave my mouth if I were talking to a person face to face. :thumb: Also remember I'm from the greatest state in America, New York! :usa: I think everyone that lives here swears during their normal conversations. :lol:


I have to take the Cpt side on this other than the line about greatest state New York :confused:
I prefer to think Arizona is better :nuts: :lol:

and that's what we are doing here, learning.... and leave it to Admin staff to be the enforcers or we'll smack you with a steak! :D

I am one who is not offended by much. BUT with that said, I could claim I am offended by all the religious statements people have made in the signatures. Do I complain or make any comments about it? No I just IGNORE them, just like someone should do if they are offended by a statement I make or someone else makes. This is the :usa: I am a veteran and have the right to say what I want. I do try to watch what I say but sometimes even if front of my kids I say what is on my mind even if I toss out a few :cussing: :cussing:

I understand what everyone is saying and believe it or not I agree with both sides, mostly.:roll:

This forum IS NOT an area which truly supports free speech. Some of the members who are throwing that around and implying that it is a right to use language which may offend others are some of the same who so forcefully spoke out about another topic and the language that would have offended them when it would have been discussed that the owner of this forum finally said that anyone who discussed it would be permanently banned.

My point is that most people are offended by the views of others when they contradict their own beliefs. The true test is how tolerant they are of opposing views and willing they are to defend the others' rights to have those views and to express them in any way they choose.

We can choose to be offended if we like. We can also choose not to frequent people/places/things which are likely to offend us. sometimes this can't be avoided. But the choice to be offended is still our own. It boils down to our own definition of personal liberty/freedom.

I don't intend to and am not trying to re-open that prior topic. I'm just saying that this isn't now/ever been a bastion of free speech.

I will now step off my soapbox.

I am one who is not offended by much. BUT with that said, I could claim I am offended by all the religious statements people have made in the signatures. Do I complain or make any comments about it? No I just IGNORE them, just like someone should do if they are offended by a statement I make or someone else makes. This is the :usa: I am a veteran and have the right to say what I want. I do try to watch what I say but sometimes even if front of my kids I say what is on my mind even if I toss out a few :cussing: :cussing:

Very well said!:thumb:

Not to have the beat to the ground religious debate but I have to agree. If we can't talk or argue about religion then why is it okay to have a religious sig? Hell I couldn't even have an American hero like Chuck Norris as an avatar because someone found it offensive, so I was made to remove it. But I just sit back and ignore everyone elses stuff that I personally don't like because I am not an easily offended cry baby. If that's what makes the person happy then hell, let them have it. Has our country really became that weak? You people should thicken up your skin a bit! Let someone toss up an inverted cross sig or something watch how fast they will make you take it down. ;)

It was a joke! :lol: The bottom line is this. We are all on here to learn, discuss our cars, and have a little fun in the process. NOT TO ENFORCE OUR BELIEFS, VIEWS, OR OPINIONS UPON ONE ANOTHER! Isn't that what the Nazis did? :poke: What you might find morally righteous others probably feel is complete bullsh*t! :usa: :twothumbs

Now back to :cussing: before a :lockd: ! :rof:


This is true. Not to mention, the site is intended for HHR OWNERS and those interested...in other words, adults. Its hard to censor adults having a conversation unless you want your hat brought to ya! I posted earlier about the use of the word "ricer". It COULD BE considered just as insensitive as "profane" language...where would we draw the line? You really don't. I feel like you live by your rules...you never know who is paying attention and will follow suit.

I feel like people do a good job with using acronyms and symbols instead of actual words. I have yet to read a public post and go "wow, that was a REALLY vulgar reply". This forum in general is very tame in comparison to others I've visited. The site has build censors built in to parent underagers who happen to fall into the site.

Not to have the beat to the ground religious debate but I have to agree. If we can't talk or argue about religion then why is it okay to have a religious sig? Hell I couldn't even have an American hero like Chuck Norris as an avatar because someone found it offensive, so I was made to remove it. But I just sit back and ignore everyone elses stuff that I personally don't like because I am not an easily offended cry baby. If that's what makes the person happy then hell, let them have it. Has our country really became that weak? You people should thicken up your skin a bit! Let someone toss up an inverted cross sig or something watch how fast they will make you take it down. ;)
Like I said....
This forum IS NOT an area which truly supports free speech.

Believe me I know that all too well. JonyyB had a post that made it real clear in the upper room thread. It's not the forum itself I'm addressing, it's the members.

Hell I couldn't even have an American hero like Chuck Norris as an avatar because someone found it offensive, so I was made to remove it. )

That is just not right:wtf: At work one of my friends was told he could not wear his Lynyrd Skynyrd hat becouse somebody found the rebel flag on it offensive. This kind of stuff is getting out of hand:2cents:

That is just not right:wtf: At work one of my friends was told he could not wear his Lynyrd Skynyrd hat becouse somebody found the rebel flag on it offensive. This kind of stuff is getting out of hand:2cents:

I do agree with you the PC stuff is out of control. I could go on all day long about work and what we are not allowed to wear.. basically on dress down days it's a company logo shirt or shirt with ABSOLUTELY NO LOGO. You have to be cautious what you display on your desk.. you will be asked to remove "offensive" items... One of my coworkers has been talked to several times about his language...Everyone is afraid to even say anything in the office for fear of being counseled on it.. where does it end? or does it? Where does the line of being considerate end...and the line of censorship begin..is there a difference?:confused:

Although I agree with not using the big bad words on the forum... I think I am becoming confused on the subject.. everyone has really great opinions, I do think it is great everyone has openly shared them no matter which side of the fence you stand or...or tight rope walk on???

I agree with CJ on this. I have noticed more and more of it and some of the lude suggestions are just is bad. The way this is going, before you know it anything goes will be the norm and Captain just because you talk that way does not make it acceptible. Part of the forum rules says no nudety or lude pictures, it also says excessive cursing is not allowed. The MF word realy offends me and the GD word offends me because of who my heavenly father is. I do not think anyone on this forum would put up with someone cursing their mother or father?

I tend to believe that when people can’t make conversation without the use of vulgar language in a public forum, they lack vocabulary and mental capacity to communicate publicly.

just my .02

I swear when talking to my mom. :lol: My mom swears right back at me. :rof: I swear when talking to other parents too. ;) We are all adults so why the hell not? Being a parent has nothing to do with it. I'm a dad and people swear at me (a lot). God damn isn't even swearing. :roll:

Well Fredom of speech exists. But when other adults here are not happy about what they see, then Report the post. Then actions have to be taken place only to make this place fair for everyone. There has to be netural ground. However we have the dungeon. Where you can say whatever you want.

Ch, You say cursing God is not swearing, but it is cursing my father.

Well Fredom of speech exists. But when other adults here are not happy about what they see, then Report the post. Then actions have to be taken place only to make this place fair for everyone. There has to be netural ground. However we have the dungeon. Where you can say whatever you want.

I would like to believe all of that but it just hasn't proven true. There is no TRUE freedom of speech. There are limits to what you can say everywhere, far too many examples to even begin to list. and yes, that includes the Dungeon.

"fair for everyone" and "netral ground" are fantasies which do not exist. It is impossible to be fair to everyone or to be completely neutral, the mere act of trying is placing limitations and restrictions on actions which negates the whole idea!:roll:

However we have the dungeon. Where you can say whatever you want.

Not true! ;) If I swear in there and I still get *****. :lol:

Can anyone define what curse words are offensive? What defines a curse word?
If you ask 100 people, your going to get many of the same suggestions but not 100% all the same from each person asked.

Swearing and cursing, are they the same?

Ch, You say cursing God is not swearing, but it is cursing my father.

It's just an experession. When you say, "God damn that's a hot car!" you are not cursing anyones god, you are saying that is a very hot car. It's all in the context it's used. I hear more religious people than non use the expression. If someone is purposely blaspheming anothers god that's a different story.

I'm an adult, I don't need the polite police to hold my hand through life!

Holmes Hot Ride I have a question for you, Not a debate only a question,,,

If I say your signature bar offendes me with the cross on it are you going to remove it?
My best guess is no you would not, and you would tell me tough it is your freedom to place that there.
Now before yu go getting all bent out of shape and preeching anything, it is only a question are you will to remove it? :confused:

Ch, You know its cursing God in my oppinion and believe me I don't. I did not join this forum to hear another persons words of vulgarity or cursing. In my oppinion, the dungeon is not even needed. It has been said that anything goes in there, yes as long as its agreeable with the ones who are in there and if you talk trash or about women or show off colored pictures, but it is not of free speach. I joined this forum to learn about the HHR automoble and the common intrest in the car. To see what others are doing with this wonderful car. I have a life outside of this forum, but I came to it to learn and boy have I learned. Not all for the good. You know, the day of kindness and gentleness and love is disapearing right before our nose. I have watched how people come and go on this forum and many have left because of this very thing that CJ is talking about. And some have left because of the conflict and confrontation that they have to face when someone disagrees with them. When it comes down to it, we have a choice and if you want this forum to keep heading in the direction that it is going or do you want to go back to being more of a car forum about HHRS instead of the daily insults and swearing that goes on. This is my oppinion and observation.

as expected... this thread is going bad fast...

If you turn on the TV you'll see more swearing than you'll find on this forum. ;) It not even censored on there with happy little ***s or :censored: s. :lol:

as expected... this thread is going bad fast...

Nah, it's not going that bad. :lol: Everyone has been pretty respectful of each others opinions so far. :smile:

You CHOOSE to be offended just like I would choose to use those words. There is nothing "naughty" about the use of any word in the english language, otherwise they wouldn't have definitions. You so happen to believe that you shouldn't use those words. I happen to believe that every word is fair game. Would be the same argument if I used this board as a pulpit for the Catholic church and you chose to be offended at my words because you are atheist. Again, I didn't offend you, it was your choice to be offended. And quite honestly threads like this offend me. So much for the freedom of speech in this country.
agreed,


cj THIS ISNT YOUR FORUM:roll:

I'm an adult, I don't need the polite police to hold my hand through life!
:bow:

Everyone has been pretty respectful of each others opinions so far. :smile:
As long as none tries to 'force' their opinion on anyone or get all bent because they wont 'convert' either way, it will continue to go ok. Believe me, Admin is watching this one!

Holmes Hot Ride I have a question for you, Not a debate only a question,,,

If I say your signature bar offendes me with the cross on it are you going to remove it?
My best guess is no you would not, and you would tell me tough it is your freedom to place that there.
Now before yu go getting all bent out of shape and preeching anything, it is only a question are you will to remove it? :confused:

First, Let me ask you, why would it offend you? It is the woldwide symbol of victory over death and the hope of man kind.
Secondly. Would I remove it? Not unless I was forced to! I have been forced to do many things in life that go against my believe, but I must render to Ceasar the things that are unto Ceasar. I have been even offended many times here, but I have out of the Word of God that says I am to try to leave at peace if possible on my part with all men. It offends me when people promote the occult or satan for he is not only the enemy of God, but he is my enemy also. Yet in saying that I take a stand when I can and keep my mouth shut the rest of the time.

Well personally... I can look past most "common" curse words that are seen on this or any forum... as long as it is just casual conversation... when it turns to insults or degrading comments, my tolerance dissipates quickly..!! That to me shows an incredible lack of vocabulary and lack of personal respect and character.

It is true that you can turn on the TV and hear much worse language than we have on this forum... LOL... even the Little League World Series last week had a kid yelling the "F" word on live TV from the dugout...

.... finger on the BEEP button!.........

First, Let me ask you, why would it offend you? It is the woldwide symbol of victory over death and the hope of man kind.

To you. To others it represents oppression, death, hatred, bigotry, war, pedophilia, genocide, narrow mindedness, I could go on all day with this. Religion is a dual edged sword, there are many that view it as good but there are equally as many that view it as evil. :nono:

Ch, I could go on and on about some of your beliefs, but I won't. As much as I dislike them. Hopefully one day maybe you will see what I am talking about. I think we are getting off topic here?

First, Let me ask you, why would it offend you? It is the woldwide symbol of victory over death and the hope of man kind.
Secondly. Would I remove it? Not unless I was forced to! I have been forced to do many things in life that go against my believe, but I must render to Ceasar the things that are unto Ceasar. I have been even offended many times here, but I have out of the Word of God that says I am to try to leave at peace if possible on my part with all men. It offends me when people promote the occult or satan for he is not only the enemy of God, but he is my enemy also. Yet in saying that I take a stand when I can and keep my mouth shut the rest of the time.


Please make sure you read my first post. I said "IF" I never said it did offend me. I knew what your answer would be and I wanted to have you say it so I could not be accused of putting words in anyones mouth to prove a point that something you belive in you are not willing to remove it IF it offended someone else, but IF you are offended of such things as using your example the occult you would want them to remove it. Seems like there is a double standard around here.
Holmes I am not saying you are using a double standard or anything just making a point. I also do not want you to feel I am singling you out either. I have nothing agaisnt you and never have so do not think I am attacking you.

Sooooooo.......how about that new color...Imperial Blue? And the chrome on the 07's seems to be so much brighter

Holmes I am not saying you are using a double standard or anything just making a point. I also do not want you to feel I am singling you out either. I have nothing agaisnt you and never have so do not think I am attacking you.

I have been singled out all my life and it does not bother me. I agree with the double standard thing. The whole thing is to be considerate of others. I try to be and I don't think you can find a word that I have said with cursing, hatred, or any form of malise. I try to be understanding, but on the same hand, I have a right to voice my oppinion as much as one of the opposite. Thats were the double standard takes place in My oppinion!

http://www.boomspeed.com/crowbar76/powerofchrist.jpg

Ch, I could go on and on about some of your beliefs, but I won't. As much as I dislike them. Hopefully one day maybe you will see what I am talking about. I think we are getting off topic here?

I was just giving you an example of why it might offend some. Like dbarberaz pointed out it's a dual standard. You don't understand why your beliefs could offend others because you are so set in your ways of believing your way is the only one true and right way plus you have the moral convictions to try and spread the word and try to convert others. If someone posted a joke photo like this one like the God listens to Slayer sign I posted the other night or were to throw what you thought to be an offensive image or statement in their sig you would be the first to become offended and complain. Like I said I personally could care less what you have in your sig. I can choose to ignore the little messages of god in peoples sigs, just like I do. If your faith helps you through life and gives you comfort and peace thats great more power to you regardless of my opinion. Like others have said you choose to be offended. I have to quote myself here. :lol:

The bottom line is this. We are all on here to learn, discuss our cars, and have a little fun in the process. NOT TO ENFORCE OUR BELIEFS, VIEWS, OR OPINIONS UPON ONE ANOTHER! Isn't that what the Nazis did? :poke: What you might find morally righteous others probably feel is complete bullsh*t! :usa: :twothumbs

It was a joke! :lol: The bottom line is this. We are all on here to learn, discuss our cars, and have a little fun in the process. NOT TO ENFORCE OUR BELIEFS, VIEWS, OR OPINIONS UPON ONE ANOTHER! Isn't that what the Nazis did? :poke: What you might find morally righteous others probably feel is complete bullsh*t! :usa: :twothumbs

Now back to :cussing: before a :lockd: ! :rof:

Well put. I don't find a the :wtf: :censored: or any **** four letter words offensive at all.

This forum is tame compared to some I have been on. It's not like it is riddled with bad language or the like.

My :2cents:

That really isent what this thread s topic is about though.... (see pic above)

I love that pic though, I've scene it before!

That really isent what this thread s topic is about though.... (see pic above)

How about this one?
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c122/amarini/OpinionNazi.jpg
:thumb:

:laughabov :rof:

The topic is about curse words in posts! I almost forgot myself!

The topic is about curse words in posts! I almost forgot myself!


your :censored: I forgot also

really though what is the big deal

watch this

shit

****

damn

hell

*****

the site wont let you spell it out

ok maybe a few it will, meaning the owner of the site says its ok.

the ones he doesnt think are ok are **ed out

We can say shit?!?!?!?!?!? :eek: Well shit! I thought ass was the most you could get away with. :lol:

isnt freedom of speach a *****:lol:

Its a mother****in *****! :rof:

Wow...how intellectually stimulating is that :roll:

Not very but funny none the less. :lol:

really, why do 10% of the members here strive so hard to change this place to their likeing? its fine the way it is, everyone here (except 06hhr) is an adult (although some dont act like it) a word is just that, a word you wont go to hell for reading curse words:roll:

This is a very tame forum compaired to a lot of them out there. ;)

yeah some of the ol farts on here would love the r1 forums, we have nude chick threads, chuck norris avatars....................

yeah some of the ol farts on here would love the r1 forums, we have nude chick threads, chuck norris avatars....................
What was wrong with a Chuck Norris avatar?

What was wrong with a Chuck Norris avatar?
someone here found it offensive,( imagine that) guess they go ape shit when walker texas ranger comes on:lol:

What was wrong with a Chuck Norris avatar?

I don't know? :confused:

Was he butt naked, running through the park?

Nope. :lol: Someone found this offensive. :roll:
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Offensive? maybe alittle, but that's why there called actor's. Duh

i think howdys new avatar represents cruelty to animals :nuts:










































joke man:cool:

I tend to believe that when people can’t make conversation without the use of vulgar language in a public forum, they lack vocabulary and mental capacity to communicate publicly.

just my .02

WELL SAID ! IF A PERSON APPLIES FOR A JOB AT MOST COMPANIES AND USES VULGAR LANGUAGE DURING THE INTER VIEW , THEY PROBABLY WONT GET THE JOB. WOULD THAT BE WRONG OR SHOULD THE EMPLOYER BE FORCED TO IGNORE THE LANGUAGE AND HIRE THE PERSON ?I KNOW WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE ABOUT MUSIC, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THAT MUSIC HAS INFLUNCED THE WAY YOUNG PEOPLE SPEAK. I WORK WITH ALOT OF GUYS IN THEIR TWENTIES AND THEY LISTEN TO RAP MUSIC , AND THEY CAN NOT SAY I SENTENCE WITHOUT SWEARING. IT USUALLY IS THE F WORD OR MF.

yeah some of the ol farts on here would love the r1 forums, we have nude chick threads, chuck norris avatars....................
MAYBE WE ARENT OLD FARTS , MAYBE WE ARE JUST INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO COME UP WITH WORDS THAT EXPRESS OUR FEELINGS WITHOUT SWEARING

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c122/amarini/mypostbeatup.gif

back to topic guys.... lock coming soon.....

First, Let me ask you, why would it offend you? It is the woldwide symbol of victory over death and the hope of man kind.
Secondly. Would I remove it? Not unless I was forced to! I have been forced to do many things in life that go against my believe, but I must render to Ceasar the things that are unto Ceasar. I have been even offended many times here, but I have out of the Word of God that says I am to try to leave at peace if possible on my part with all men. It offends me when people promote the occult or satan for he is not only the enemy of God, but he is my enemy also. Yet in saying that I take a stand when I can and keep my mouth shut the rest of the time.
not to be an ass, but some of us dont believe in god, i am one of those people. If you must know i was catholic before all the $hit hit the fan with my ex fiance and my catholic sponser. longer story short, my sponser told her some $hit that wasnt true and then hooked her up with some prissy catholic do no wrong doushe bag. So God, knows where he can find me, and if he wants to talk to me like a man, then so be it, but till then screw him. As for your cross it does offend me, but i know there is such a thing as freedom of speech, so i let that kinda of stuff go. If im not going to bit<h about your religous stuff then please dont complain about how we as a human's talk. If i choose to use god damn, $hit, and bit<h that is my right. I do try to respect others though, i know that CJ isnt a big fan so i tried to watch my mouth when on the phone or IM with him while helping with his stereo install. I do have a small baby at home and i have been trying to watch it around her. But we are all adults and we all have the right of free speech.

:thumb:

On this forum, you all agreed to the rules and guidelines that are set in place when you joined.

This thread is in a public section. It's begining to get out of hand.

On this forum, you all agreed to the rules and guidelines that are set in place when you joined.

This thread is in a public section. It's begining to get out of hand.
you are totally right we did, and i dont think that shit, bit<h and god damn are bad words. I havent posted any porn, and im not complain about any religous stuff that is on here.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c122/amarini/ibtl1bush2.jpg

....and i dont think that shit, bit<h and god damn are bad words.....

Thats exactly what this thread is about. Although some may not find those words offensive (I personally don't) but there are some members who do find them offensive. For what ever reasons an individual has, we shouldent question it.
JonyyB asked to be respectful of each other on this forum.

On this forum, you all agreed to the rules and guidelines that are set in place when you joined.


WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!

Thats exactly what this thread is about. Although some may not find those words offensive (I personally don't) but there are some members who do find them offensive. For what ever reasons an individual has, we shouldent question it.
JonyyB asked to be respectful of each other on this forum.
Okay i do understand that...but here is a generational thing coming into play...

Bit<h can mean so many things.

My wife is my Bit<h and i am hers. Bit<h meaning significant other
Quit Bit<hing - quiting nagging like my wife
My boys are my bit<hes - meaning friends

If others are aloud to have crosses in their sig, which im not to fond of, then why do others of us have to take do avitars, such as CH's Chuck Norris. There are so many double standards sometimes it isnt even funny.

If others are aloud to have crosses in their sig, which im not to fond of, then why do others of us have to take do avitars, such as CH's Chuck Norris. There are so many double standards sometimes it isnt even funny.
add my johnny cash avatar to that list:(

I just want to throw this out and see if it sticks......

Has anyone else noticed that this is really a control issue?

Someone who has been around long enough to know who this topic would upset and how this topic would rile people started this and is probably just sitting back and laughing their ass off watching us make fools of ourselves arguing over such trivial shit!

Pretty slick if you ask me.

Y'all come back now, ya hear!!

add my johnny cash avatar to that list:(
this stuff is getting out of hand. Johnny cash and Chuck Norris not allowed but a cross is. :wtf:

This is a great discussion/debate, ya'll could be laywers! Each side has their valid points.

I hear ya Crowbar but I JonnyB is my boss here!

CH, love the avatar!! It really offends me!

I just want to throw this out and see if it sticks......

Has anyone else noticed that this is really a control issue?

Someone who has been around long enough to know who this topic would upset and how this topic would rile people started this and is probably just sitting back and laughing their ass off watching us make fools of ourselves arguing over such trivial shit!

Pretty slick if you ask me.

Y'all come back now, ya hear!!

With that being said I should probably back out of this debate. :bow: :beer:

CH, love the avatar!! It really offends me!

Lol! Just proving a point. I'll change it before anyone cries. I was just sick of looking at my meat and it seemed like a good time to change. I think it's pretty stupid myself. :lol: it's not really my style. ;)

a side note: if an image is posted within the Dungeon, then so be it. There are guidelines there also. They are not as tight as they are here in the public view.
Avatars appear at your every post. If your post all over in this forum, then it is scene by all, even potential members who are signed on as guests. If an Avatar is deemed innapproiate, members will be asked to change it or Admin will do it.

Images posted in the forum are also 'monitored'. Images posted in the Dungeon are less scrutinized but are also 'monitored'. There is a warning that it is not work safe before one enters the Dungeon.

I just want to throw this out and see if it sticks......

Has anyone else noticed that this is really a control issue?

Someone who has been around long enough to know who this topic would upset and how this topic would rile people started this and is probably just sitting back and laughing their ass off watching us make fools of ourselves arguing over such trivial shit!

Pretty slick if you ask me.

Y'all come back now, ya hear!!

which is what ive been saying all along, nip the problem in the bud

add my johnny cash avatar to that list:(

I get the Chuck Norris issue... it could be preceived as violent or violence against women. Didn't see the man in black, so not sure why it would be barred.

If the avatars are not vulgar or violent...I do not understand why they would not be allowed. :confused:

The language I get. I don't care what you say or how you put it.. that is up to you. However, when you curse in a forum like this, you are pushing your beliefes/values what ever you want to call it on everyone else who reads it. Just as those who have the religious emblems, the avata just reflects who they are. However, if they began a forum preaching or telling you about their beliefs, I would expect the monitors to stop it, or someone to mention it as this forum originally started. But that is just me, a backwards hillbilly without an education ;)

I'm gonna to go listen to George Carlins dirty words you can't say on television.

I hear ya Crowbar but I JonnyB is my boss here!


were cool :thumb: no worries :thumb:

I'm gonna to go listen to George Carlins dirty words you can't say on television.

Classic! :lol: Don't forget the revised version. ;) You all should listen to Anthrax's Starting Up A Posse. :thumb:

I'm gonna have http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/SindyDix/steak.gif

:thumb: love the new avatar captain

I was just sick of looking at my meat and it seemed like a good time to change.

What are you sayin' cap'n...headed under the knife? This debate ain't worth that drastic a change....

Just thought I throw a curve in the debate to evoke a few :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Pentagrams aren't really my thing. :lol: Humor is! :thumb:

Hey Capt. Thats a great avatar! Chuck would be proud!

Well I've had fun watching this. Things I've noticed....Crowbar, I liked your old avatar. Sindy, you stole the Captain's, CH.......what is there to say??? :rof: :rof: :twothumbs

Crowbar, I liked your old avatar.
the banned johnny cash or the devils rejects movie poster?

the banned johnny cash or the devils rejects movie poster?

I know this is off the subject.. but why was the man in black banned?:confused:

the banned johnny cash or the devils rejects movie poster?

Whatever that little critter was.............I thought it was the coolest! :thumb:

it was the famous pic of him giving the finger

Whatever that little critter was.............I thought it was the coolest! :thumb:
oh yeah that was my original one since ive been here ive grown tired of him i need a sig change to but havent found anything that intrest me yet

it was the famous pic of him giving the finger


Ok, I see the light the blind one said! That is my brother next tat...it is a cool picture I have to admit. Sorry for the side track

Hey CH, I was wondering if my new avatar offends you?

your favorite past time?

Hey CH, I was wondering if my new avatar offends you?
We are in a public forum.

As I stated prevous:
Avatars appear at your every post. If your post all over in this forum, then it is scene by all, even potential members who are signed on as guests. If an Avatar is deemed innapproiate, members will be asked to change it or Admin will do it.


I do not think JonnyB will be amused.

:laughabov :rof:

Using a cuss word is almost away of life. Look the Movies, the TV, the News, and listen to the Radio.
If you don't like turn it off, change the channel.
I was PM a number of times because I wanted to know about a thread about Paint Chipping and Running BDs. I was actually, degraded in the statements that were stated. More one statement. I deleted all of my posts because of this. But it was my choice.
I don't use cuss words on a daily status, but at times I have.
As far as offensive Avatiars, Well to me thier are alot, but if the person is comfortable with it no problem, look past it.
I belive in God, but I don't display it. I don't even go to church, don't have to if he/she is every where all of the time.
As adults we should try to accept each others feelings, if you can not, change the channel. Look at another thread. But there is no need to report it. What is the old saying "If the heat is to hot in the kitchen, then get out"?

Now see? I "tested the waters" and there are limits. My avatar was changed to prove a point, and I changed it back just before Sindy asked me to......1. because it really wasn't "me" 2. Because I knew someone would find it offensive. And if you don't like the Patriots, too bad. They are the BEST team in the NFL.

I had to before someone else did! :lol:

:smile: Too bad I stepped away...must have missed a good one

Hey CH, I was wondering if my new avatar offends you?

Hell no. :bow: :lol:

Did you get to see the one I took down? The butt kiss? I believe I stole it off one of your posts the other day. Sinn Fein is THE political group fighting to unite Ireland. Good group, as is the IRA.

No, I missed it. :(

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c122/amarini/dead_thread.jpg

,, just a post like yours plain and simple and seeing what the members think...
The members have spoken as you reuested CJ Krause.


..and with that, this is the end, thread closed, points made, great debate/discussion.