Do you have Air, Nitrogen, Helium or Other in your tires?
There is another thread that that talks about this NitroNize Your Tires??? Anyone done this yet?? (http://chevyhhr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1833NitroNize )

I had Nitrogen put in my tires at Sam’s Club, they charge $5.00 per tire to get it done. Only time will tell if it is worth it or not. So far it seems to be stiffer than air but it might just be all in my head:nuts: . Oh well…

oh i get it. That's how the new GM commercial was shot, they put HELIUM in the tires and they just hover over the road.
I wondered how they did that...;)
Actually I've never heard of nitrogen (or other gas) for the tires.
What'll they think of next? :confused:

Yea I don’t know of any others types that you can put in your tires safely. I added “other” just in case someone has.

This whole Nitrogen thing is pure BS and a high profit item for those selling it.

GM even came out with a myth-busting TSB on this issue.

Talk about myth, lore and BS (alive and well on this site in many threads!)...

To do what they claim, they would have to totally evacuate the void between the inside of the tire and rim, which would have the tire "sucked" tight, completely to the rim, and also clear any possible water inside. In a typical shop that is impossible! What do they do? Just let the air out of it, leaving any moisture and "plain air" in the rest of the tire. Then fill it with Nitrogen. Doh!?! :confused:


Since we have already licensed this inflation technology, we can tell you the secret formula... 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen with 1% miscellaneous gases.

Stay tuned.... We will have some real deals coming soon on boxes of this inflation technology. Your HHR will even be faster than with a CGS intake, too!! :nuts: :lol:

Thanks for the info JoeR!

To do what they claim, they would have to totally evacuate the void between the inside of the tire and rim, which would have the tire "sucked" tight, completely to the rim, and also clear any possible water inside. In a typical shop that is impossible! What do they do? Just let the air out of it, leaving any moisture and "plain air" in the rest of the tire. Then fill it with Nitrogen. Doh!?! :confused:

You have a good point about the water inside the tire. Do they have to remove the tire and scrub it to get all the water out of the tire? As for the air being sucked out of the tire, Sam’s Club has a machine that sucks the air out of the tire then fills it with the Nitrogen. They stopped using air to fill the tires so if you get your tires fixed or replaced you get Nitrogen only.

Since we have already licensed this inflation technology, we can tell you the secret formula... 78% Oxygen, 21% Nitrogen with 1% miscellaneous gases.
JoeR how much are you going to charge for your gas mix “78% Oxygen, 21% Nitrogen with 1% miscellaneous gases”. How do you get all the air and water out of your old tires?

GM even came out with a myth-busting TSB on this issue.

I would love to see this TSB do you have a link please?

bigbear2K, here are some of the TBS's listed.
Offical Recall and TSB Number post (http://chevyhhr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1919)

Title: Tires and or Wheels - Nitrogen Gas Usage for Filling Tires (http://www.alldata.com/tsb/General-Motors/1135238400000_1136880000000_05-03-10-020/index.html)

Title: Tires and or Wheels - Nitrogen Gas Usage for Filling Tires (http://www.alldata.com/tsb/General-Motors/1135238400000_1136880000000_05-03-10-020/index.html)


Wow don't I feel smart I’ve overlooked that TSB quite a few times:red: . Thanks for the link

JoeR how much are you going to charge for your gas mix “78% Oxygen, 21% Nitrogen with 1% miscellaneous gases”. How do you get all the air and water out of your old tires?

We are still working on the pricing while determining availability and delivery times from our supplier. We are also continuing research to eliminate potential problems with contamination from Dihydrogen Monoxide (http://www.dhmo.org/). Will let everyone know as soon as these issues are resolved. :cool: :lol:

I don't know about your guys, but it would be EXTREMELY DANGEROUS to have 78% Oxygen in your tires!!!!!!!

BTW I think what you mean is 21% oxygen. Somewhere around the 25-30% range and the air can actually ignite and burn. I'm totally serious.
http://www.mistupid.com/chemistry/images/airgraph.gif

Composition of Air (http://www.mistupid.com/chemistry/aircomp.htm)

I'm pretty sure the purpose is to have a more inhert enviroment. Some of the other gases also help with the breakdown of the interior of the tire. How that's much different than those same gases on the exterior I don't know. But think about a tire dry rotting. Enviroment obviously has an effect, pressurize that enviroment to 2.5 times atmospheric pressure and it just accelerates the process.

Heh, thanks for pointing out my typo (corrected)!! :eek: :red: Doh! I was rushing off the the airport and got in a hurry. Sure don't want to blow up anyone's HHR!! :red: :red: :lol:

But I'm really ticked off about your leaking the source of our new gas mixture. Our lawyers will be in touch. :D :nuts:

Everyone needs to familiarize themselves with the potential dangers and problems associated with Dihydrogen Monoxide (http://www.dhmo.org/). Read about it HERE (http://www.dhmo.org/).

Everyone needs to familiarize themselves with the potential dangers and problems associated with Dihydrogen Monoxide (http://www.dhmo.org/). Read about it HERE (http://www.dhmo.org/).

Now that is funny!:thumb:

Just about every race car runs nitrgen because it has a lower moisture content. When the tires get hot the moisture expands causing the tire pressure to increase. This does 1 of 2 thing depending on the tires. If you have bias ply tires they expand and get bigger (unless you got one of those set they screwed up durring manufactuer and the contract (I can't explain that one)). If you have radial tires the pressure builds but the tire stays the same size and the spring rate of the tire increases. Now this is for race cars Mainly circle track cars. You will NEVER get your tires hot enough on the street for this to matter. Save your money. The HHR is a great car, it's fun to drive, it's only 175 hp, it's not a race car. lol

Just about every race car runs nitrgen because it has a lower moisture content. When the tires get hot the moisture expands causing the tire pressure to increase. This does 1 of 2 thing depending on the tires. If you have bias ply tires they expand and get bigger (unless you got one of those set they screwed up durring manufactuer and the contract (I can't explain that one)). If you have radial tires the pressure builds but the tire stays the same size and the spring rate of the tire increases. Now this is for race cars Mainly circle track cars. You will NEVER get your tires hot enough on the street for this to matter. Save your money. The HHR is a great car, it's fun to drive, it's only 175 hp, it's not a race car. lol
:thumb: I agree. While Nit. Is used in the avaition Industry, It Is most generaly not used on light a/c. Mostly air from an air hose to inflate to 30-40 PSI. These are mostly single engine aircraft. Land and take off between 60-85 MPH. Aircraft that land and take off at a higher speed 120 Knots-160Knots,and a larger gross weight will use Nit. The reason is that the expansion at altitude (30-60K Feet) is a lot less then if they had air in them. As far as landing, a wheel tire pressure on a DC9 or MD80 will have a cold tire pressure of around 180 -230 PSI. Tire pressure will expand to over 360 PSI after landing. (Wheel spin-up, 0 MPH to 180 MPH+ in just a few feet). A 777 tire pressure will expand to even higher numbers. While that is a lot of pressure change, It still is less then if just "air " was used from a hose.
Then you take into account the temperature change and condensation inside the tire, well, a lot less water present. Some of those aircraft tires will be "Recaped" up to 14 times before the carcus is found unairworthy. Generally with car tires, they are history after 80K miles. So I say,"DON'T WAIST YOUR MONEY". Just keep the tire pressure at the recommended pressure and you will get better gas millage and longer tire life.:one:

:thumb: I agree. While Nit. Is used in the avaition Industry, It Is most generaly not used on light a/c. Mostly air from an air hose to inflate to 30-40 PSI. These are mostly single engine aircraft. Land and take off between 60-85 MPH. Aircraft that land and take off at a higher speed 120 Knots-160Knots,and a larger gross weight will use Nit. The reason is that the expansion at altitude (30-60K Feet) is a lot less then if they had air in them. As far as landing, a wheel tire pressure on a DC9 or MD80 will have a cold tire pressure of around 180 -230 PSI. Tire pressure will expand to over 360 PSI after landing. (Wheel spin-up, 0 MPH to 180 MPH+ in just a few feet). A 777 tire pressure will expand to even higher numbers. While that is a lot of pressure change, It still is less then if just "air " was used from a hose.
Then you take into account the temperature change and condensation inside the tire, well, a lot less water present. Some of those aircraft tires will be "Recaped" up to 14 times before the carcus is found unairworthy. Generally with car tires, they are history after 80K miles. So I say,"DON'T WAIST YOUR MONEY". Just keep the tire pressure at the recommended pressure and you will get better gas millage and longer tire life.:one:

I found that comment very enlightning and enjoyed it very much. I forgot tomention that on the higher levels of racing Nextel cup, bucsh, truck, they even use air driers to scrub the nitrogen of even more moisture.

Well, as a former military person and former aviation mechanic, we now run Nitrogen on the vehicles. I started in July, and have done my monthly tire psi checks, and my results here in PHX are very good. I noticed on average a small 0.5 psi drop on all 4 tires on each vehicle after a month. Wow, that is a big difference from 2-3 psi on compressed air. And as for someones atatement about sucking the air out, Purigen 98 system does this. The guy I found, came out to the house, and deflated all 4 tires per vehicle, the filled completelt, then sucked the tire, then filled, then sucked, then topped off at the correct PSI. So, if any water moisture was left, it should be minimal. It is one of those things, that once it is done, it just makes others things easier.

Just my $.02 worth.
Mr. Retro

I want my tires to be solid. I seriously got this today while I was looking at a wheelchair. What if cars had solid tires? No more flats!

I want my tires to be solid. I seriously got this today while I was looking at a wheelchair. What if cars had solid tires? No more flats!

Rougher ride.

Rougher ride.

Better suspensions.


See, every problem's solution's problem's has a solution.

I want my tires to be solid. I seriously got this today while I was looking at a wheelchair. What if cars had solid tires? No more flats!

I'm looking for the article.....

Michelin and Audi are working on it and have vehicles on the road. It's quite an interesting concept. The metal rim is the size of the retention lugs and hub the "tire" is multi spoked from there to the surface tread. I'll post if I find the pictures.

here's one article...."gooogle" ...airless tires...for others.

http://www.michelinman.com/difference/releases/pressrelease01102005a.html

We got this on email today concerning this issue.

RMA issues service bulletin on nitrogen inflation
Tire Business staff report©

WASHINGTON (Nov. 6, 2006) — The Rubber Manufacturers Association (RMA) has issued a service bulletin, “Using Nitrogen to Inflate Passenger and Light Truck Tires in Normal Service Applications.”
The bulletin was issued because the use of nitrogen systems among tire retailers has increased recently, the RMA said. The inert gas has often been used in specialized tire applications such as aircraft, mining, racing and commercial use, the RMA noted, because it reduces the risk of internal combustion and variations in inflation pressures.
But nitrogen generally is not required for normal tire use, and depending on nitrogen alone to reduce inflation maintenance may lead to dangerous underinflation, the association warned. Other sources of pressure leaks, such as punctures, can negate the benefits of nitrogen, the association added.
“Whether inflated by air or nitrogen, regular inflation pressure maintenance remains critical and necessary,” the RMA wrote. “Use of nitrogen alone is not a replacement for regular inflation pressure maintenance.”
The bulletin is available at www.rma.org.

Air...cheap,works good,lasts long time.:lol:

I have nitroen in my tires just because me and my service manager thought it would be cool to experiment with my HHR because I am always modding it anyway...so far no real issues good or bad, just one more little thing to toy with !!!

I have nitroen in my tires just because me and my service manager thought it would be cool to experiment with my HHR because I am always modding it anyway...so far no real issues good or bad, just one more little thing to toy with !!!

Is this the service manager at a dealership ?
What happens if the EXPERIMENT has a bad result ?
Is he doing anything with his veh., just for kicks ?:lol:

I have had Nitrogen in the tires for about 2 weeks.

I was thinking maybe some Purple Haze or essence of Panama Red in my tires. Then I could just "float" along all day.

ok call me stupid but what is the theroy of nitrogen suppose to be? I worked in a tire store one time in a rual comminuty and some of those jackA__ customers would air up a trailer flat with propane cause they didn't have a compressor put they did have a propane tank.. we had a guy get hurt one time when a rotten tire exploded on outr guy that was smoking.. Customer wound up paying the guys doctor bill...

any way what the therory on nitrogen?

When your tire goes flat, do you call the EPA to clean up the mess?

air was good since 100 years ago i can wait for while before pay more to inflate my tires :lol:

Im running anti matter in my tires right now, It's a real ***** when you let some out to adjust the pressure.

"Biatch" got censored!! whats up with that

That's our stupid anti-swearing block. :roll: :lol: It censors some funny stuff sometimes. Try typing Joe C o c k e r or p e a c o c k. :lol: But you can say ass or shit. :confused:

That's our stupid anti-swearing block. :roll: :lol: It censors some funny stuff sometimes. Try typing Joe C o c k e r or p e a c o c k. :lol: But you can say ass or shit. :confused:
shit, that is funny...what about an aircraft ****pit? or shuttle****?
I remember some site blocking the word breasts a while back, that pissed off a few ladies who were discussing breast cancer,

Hey Captain,

What's the seven words you can't use on TV????;) :smile:

Have Nitrogen in mine since I am going for the whole "more MPGs" thing. The shop sucked the tire totally against the rims. I have worked on cars all of my life and never seen anything like it! They still lost 15psi each over the winter. So much for holding pressure. I'll try anything once!!:lol: :D

Nitrogen is just another scam...they're "selling" you the stuff that makes up 78% of the atmosphere anyway.

Think about it, if it's just the 22% of the air that's not nitrogen you put in that escapes or reacts with the rubber as the tire loses pressure, you replace that 22% with air, now the contents are up to 95% nitrogen, once the 5% has escaped, you're down to 1% after topping up...so the maintaining pressure long term argument from reduced leakage theory doesn't hold...air?

Do you have Air, Nitrogen, Helium or Other in your tires?
There is another thread that that talks about this NitroNize Your Tires??? Anyone done this yet?? (http://chevyhhr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1833NitroNize )

I had Nitrogen put in my tires at Sam’s Club, they charge $5.00 per tire to get it done. Only time will tell if it is worth it or not. So far it seems to be stiffer than air but it might just be all in my head:nuts: . Oh well…

You know, I have not paid attention to any of that so i really don't know if your serious or joking but it sounds really funny to me. helium in the tires!:lol:

I guess what you fill your tires up with could be indigenous to where you live. For example,passing through Alabama and filling your tires up with "grits."