View Full Version : brake warning / low brake fluid / ABS fault


Rjj
02-12-2007, 06:56 PM
I am starting a new post on this subject as to clear up the air on this problem. This is a cold weather climate problem. I need everybody that has experienced this to call NHTA the phone number is 888-327-4236. This government agency will document all your information to raise the red flag to get this a recall. General Motors has already put out a service bulletin on this problem but yet has a resolution to fix it. I took my HHR in to Heidebreicht Chevrolet in Romeo Michigan and had this problem investigated, they came back with codes verifying that there was a fault but assured me that there was no brake fluid leaking. They then ordered a new master cylinder to replace the defective part. In order to remove the master cylinder they had to ever so slightly move the car main wire harness to clear the master cylinder. When they did this it caused a major short in the harness that caused the car to not start. Hence they cut open my wire harness to find the short and repair it. REAL NICE for a car with less then 4000 miles.
I so gracefully accepted this and picked up my car. One week later I am having new brake problems now the brake warning light comes on and along with that the ABS fault light comes on. Heidebreight was contacted by General Motors customer service rep and denied the problem, could not be duplicated; leading General Motors to deny responsibility saying there was no problem. Little did they know that I received a call from the service tech telling us that the codes did show a problem and that he did duplicate the problem when the car was left outside for the night. He called to get the exact details of what was happening. I confronted the service manager as to why he told the rep that the problem could not be duplicated and he told me that he did not talk to the service tech. Real professional hiding the truth. I then contacted the dealership owner and told him of the misleading conversation with the customer rep. He threatened to end the conversation when confronted. In the end I told him the service report better state the true facts.
o ya! my car is still at the dealership going on 1 week now!

GM thinks that I should ignore the warning lights because it is just a cold weather condition and has no real merit. I say that is not the case and I will not put my wife and kids in a car never knowing if there is a real problem or just a cold weather alert..You all know the story the boy that cried wolf..

I really need your help in convincing GM that they have a serious problem before somebody losses a loved one due to their denial. Please take your car in and have everything documented and then call NHTA @888-327-4236

GDZHHR
02-12-2007, 07:15 PM
I'm in. I've got two HHR's, one of them has displayed this problem and our 2 year old rides in both.

HillsdaleHHR
02-12-2007, 07:20 PM
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g22/hollyeclark1/af67ea7d.gif to the site. No problems here. If something does occur I will definately be on it.

calgaryhhr
02-12-2007, 11:07 PM
HHR's seems to hate cold weather. I've yet to have the brake or ABS warning come on during the cold days but my vehicle is almost never outside.

I do have a terrible noise problem from the suspension when it gets cold outside, I really don't like it and I know others have this problem as well. I don't think I've heard of any resolutions yet for that and I've been leary about bringing it up with my dealer becuase they probably won't do anything.

If I do ever get this warning I will consider calling although I am in Canada and I don't know if it will help the cause if this is an American association.

Good luck with the battle.

hhrflo
02-13-2007, 01:38 AM
WELL LAST MONTH WHEN IT WAS COLD U NOW WE I USED TO HEATER MAINLY EVERY DAY TO KEEP MY SELF AND KIDS WARM THEN AROUND 2-2-07 I STARTED TO HEAR A WATER NOISE IN MY CAR AS I DROVE BUT ONLY WHEN I WOULD STOP AND DRIVE. U WOULD HEAR IT LIKE A SWASHING NOISE LIKE IF WATER WAS STUCK SOME WERE IN THE DASH BOARD SO I WAITED TELL NOW THEN I GOT ANNOYED OF THE NOISE SO I TOOK IT IN TO THE DEALER SHIP AND LEFT IT THERE. AS ALWAYS NOTHING WRONG JUST ANTIFREEZE THAT GOT STUCK IN THE BOTTOM OF SOMETHING THAT IT WOULD GO AWAY IN TIME I GOT PISS A NEW 06 CAR WITH A WATER NOISE THATS GETTING TO ME AS I DRIVE EVERYDAY WHAT DO U THINK I SHOUD DO DOES ANYONE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM
THANKS HHRFLO:nuts:

Rjj
02-23-2007, 05:52 AM
Here is an update on my HHR. Well it is still in the dealership garage going on 16 days this time; they have been trying to find a fix for the low brake fluid/abs brake light problem. They say that GM techs have been involved and cannot resolve this problem; our car has been torn apart put back together then torn apart again. I did talk to an attorney regarding the Michigan lemon law and he quoted me that you must take car in for 4 repairs for the same problem or a total of 30 days in service at a repair shop in a 2 year period. Well I am just about there and I could care less at this point on how long they keep my car as I am closing in on the 30 days with the 3 times they have worked on my car. The attorney also said that all his costs will be covered by GM when all is said and done. In my case he assured me that it is a done deal based on the documented repair attempts. I have contacted NHTA and made my report to help all you other shy HHR owners that have this problem. Defects and problems are resolved only when reported, but then again we are only talking about your brakes.
** It only takes a 5 minute call to NHTA @ 888-327-4236 **

glenngeb
03-05-2007, 07:40 AM
Not sure if this helps but I had a similiar problem and they replaced a weeping wheel cylinder. It has not been as cold recently but I have not had a reoccurrence of the problem.

Rjj
03-06-2007, 11:41 AM
March 6,2007
Well I finally picked up my HHR on Friday 2-23-07 and the dealership and General Motors said they fixed the problem. They now said that found that the connection to one of the brain box’s had a some what loose contact connection in the plug. All said and done after 17 days in the dealership this time my car was fixed again. Funny that my car had an extra 103 miles on the odometer then it did when I dropped it off. That not really being the problem but they did not replace the gas they burned, but they did insist that I fill up the loaner car before returning it.
Today is March 6 2007 and guess what the temperature outside here in Detroit is 13 degrees (F). The abs and brake warning light is on once again. I turned right around and headed to the dealership and dropped it off for the 4 th time
Again I will ask that any body that has had the low brake fluid abs light come on in cold temperatures
please call NHTSA @888-327-4236 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

HillsdaleHHR
03-06-2007, 11:43 AM
Man, you cant catch any breaks can you. Good luck with #4!

Firewatcher
03-06-2007, 12:21 PM
I googled NHTA......found the New Hampshire Trappers Association. You be meanin' NHTSA? National Highway Safety Administration?

karen1953
03-06-2007, 05:39 PM
Wow, so sorry to hear about your problems with your brakes, glad I live in FL.
I have a question, you stated that the Dealer cut and repaired your electrical wiring, why did you accept this instead of having them order a new line? That could have cause additional problems. That Dealer should be reported, I would think. Again sorry about your problems, I have not had any.

hhrmajesty
03-06-2007, 06:05 PM
March 6,2007
Well I finally picked up my HHR on Friday 2-23-07 and the dealership and General Motors said they fixed the problem. They now said that found that the connection to one of the brain box’s had a some what loose contact connection in the plug. All said and done after 17 days in the dealership this time my car was fixed again. Funny that my car had an extra 103 miles on the odometer then it did when I dropped it off. That not really being the problem but they did not replace the gas they burned, but they did insist that I fill up the loaner car before returning it.
Today is March 6 2007 and guess what the temperature outside here in Detroit is 13 degrees (F). The abs and brake warning light is on once again. I turned right around and headed to the dealership and dropped it off for the 4 th time
Again I will ask that any body that has had the low brake fluid abs light come on in cold temperatures
please call NHTA @888-327-4236

You might want to fill out the on-line form on their website. I had a fuel leakage problem with a Trailblazer and reported it on line. In just a day or two I had an Email from an investigator at NHTSA asking for more info and if I had any pictures. Photograph your dash with the lights on and document the dates and times it happens.

Rjj
03-07-2007, 11:02 AM
karen1953,
I really had no say in replacing the harness. GM seems to think that the repair was all they that was needed. Trust me I was not happy with this and I did not approve this repair. I have talked to the NHTSA and filed a complaint reporting my brake problems.

hhrmajesty
03-07-2007, 02:02 PM
karen1953,
I really had no say in replacing the harness. GM seems to think that the repair was all they that was needed. Trust me I was not happy with this and I did not approve this repair. I have talked to the NHTSA and filed a complaint reporting my brake problems.

Did you file the complaint via their website or just a phone call?

Rjj
03-14-2007, 11:11 AM
Well nothing good to report as of yet. The lawyer has my case but the dealer has my car. It was dropped off at the dealership March 6,2007 and has been there since. No word from the dealership on what is even being done. You know what really sucks? Having to pay for something you do not have or better yet paying for them to drive my car,can't wait to see how many miles they put on it this time. Last service visit they put on over 100 miles.

Bertland
03-17-2007, 01:34 PM
It happen a couple off time on my HHR, low brake fluid, I dont have abs, it was at very cold wheater, also still have problem with the rear wiper, it goes intermitent and after 30min of driving start to work normally, that problem been look at(motor change first time, wires check second time) still no change.

Those problem alway happen in cold wheater.....

I'm from Quebec CANADA

alexopoulos
03-17-2007, 04:47 PM
I've had the same issue (low brake fluid message) when it is freaking cold outside. Never gave it a thought after that. It only happens when I first step on the brake to shift it into drive. No issues after the initial message.

Snowdogs
02-13-2008, 03:14 PM
My '06 is doing this too - I live in North Dakota and it's frequently below 0 here. When it's cold my BRAKE FLUID light comes on and it chimes when I first put my foot on the brake to shift out of park. It comes on again if I have to brake really hard while driving - but only when it's cold.

ChevyMgr
02-13-2008, 04:06 PM
My '06 is doing this too - I live in North Dakota and it's frequently below 0 here. When it's cold my BRAKE FLUID light comes on and it chimes when I first put my foot on the brake to shift out of park. It comes on again if I have to brake really hard while driving - but only when it's cold.

This may fix your problem. If you are under the warranty or have an extended service contract the repair should be covered.


Document ID# 2038664
2006 Chevrolet HHR


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Subject: Red Brake Light/Low Brake Fluid Message On Intermittently - keywords C0267 DIC display GMT001 information int intermittent lamp PIC3959 PIC3959A PIC3959B #PIC3956E - (11/16/2007)



Models: 2006 Chevrolet HHR




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This PI was superseded to update part numbers. Please discard PIC3956D.


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The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.

Condition/Concern:
A customer may comment about a intermittent RED brake light coming on with a possible message on the Driver Information Center (DIC) displaying "low brake fluid". This condition is more likely to occur during cold weather and will be intermittent as the fluid is more viscous

Recommendation/Instructions:
Follow the diagnostics to check and make sure that the brake fluid is not low. If the brake fluid is NOT low then replace the brake Master Cylinder Brake Fluid Reservoir KIT (P/N below) as it has been modified to resolve this concern.

Automatic Transmission Should be MN5 Auto Transmission Master Cylinder Brake Fluid Reservoir KIT Part # 15939572

Manual Transmission Should be M86 5-Sp Manual Transmission Master Cylinder Brake Fluid Reservoir KIT Part # 15939485

Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.

urbexHHR
03-01-2009, 11:49 AM
Sorry, I know this is an old post, but I noticed today when I got in my car it said "Brake Fluid" and chimed. I looked, brake fluid was fine, and brakes worked. When I got home I played some more, and noticed it does it ONLY when I put my foot on the brake and push it all the way down BEFORE I start the car, and while the car is starting. If I don't have my foot on the brake, it doesn't do it. I was pushing the brake and leaning while the car was starting and buckling my seatbelt, so I was applying pressure, and I guess that's what triggered it.

Just thought I'd post too.

pitbull76
03-01-2009, 01:38 PM
Sorry, I know this is an old post, but I noticed today when I got in my car it said "Brake Fluid" and chimed. I looked, brake fluid was fine, and brakes worked. When I got home I played some more, and noticed it does it ONLY when I put my foot on the brake and push it all the way down BEFORE I start the car, and while the car is starting. If I don't have my foot on the brake, it doesn't do it. I was pushing the brake and leaning while the car was starting and buckling my seatbelt, so I was applying pressure, and I guess that's what triggered it.

Just thought I'd post too.

You need a new brake fluid reservoir. That will stop the problem. It may get worse too; mine(06) would chime the first few times I stopped in below 0 weather after awhile.

urbexHHR
03-01-2009, 01:48 PM
Ok, thanks. I see that ChevyMgr, you had a big post about it all, but does anyone know a TSB number for this issue?

I think I'll wait a bit until I would ever go in for this, since I've been in twice already to have things fixed on my car...lol

Thanks for the help guys! I really do appreciate it!:smile:

Eric

urbexHHR
03-01-2009, 07:21 PM
Forgive me too if one of those numbers you listed ChevyMgr was the TSB number, but I wasn't sure... I just figure it may come in handy when I take it into the dealer. Maybe this time I'll take it to a different dealer.