RSMRACING has these cobalt ecotech products listed on their HHR page.

I wonder if they actually checked out if these will fit the HHR, or they just copied the cobalt page cuz its the same motor?

I think the prices are Canadian $

http://www.rsmracing.com/hhr.htm

They don't even tell you if they are for the 2.2 or 2.4. :roll:

RSMRACING has these cobalt ecotech products listed on their HHR page.

I wonder if they actually checked out if these will fit the HHR, or they just copied the cobalt page cuz its the same motor?

I think the prices are Canadian $

http://www.rsmracing.com/hhr.htm

I sent them an email asking them about their products for the HHR. When i hear anything from them i will pass on to you guys.

RSMRACING has these cobalt ecotech products listed on their HHR page.

I wonder if they actually checked out if these will fit the HHR, or they just copied the cobalt page cuz its the same motor?


While it might be the same engine, the HHR's small underhood area requires specialized routing to fit in the engine compartment. AEM is currently completing an intake for the HHR now. It should be ready in a couple of months.

Hope it helps,

While it might be the same engine, the HHR's small underhood area requires specialized routing to fit in the engine compartment. AEM is currently completing an intake for the HHR now. It should be ready in a couple of months.

Hope it helps,
Isnt this CAI for the 2.4 ecotec?

Will the 2.4 intake fit on the 2.2?

I can tell from this pic:

http://www.rsmracing.com/Chevrolet_Images/Cobalt_Images/Cobalt_Induction.JPG

There's no way this intake will fit on the HHR. We found during development of AEM's kit that due to engine compartment restrictions, placment of the sensors and wiring harness, the HHR's intake tube must run over the top of the engine towards the back. Unless of course you want to build your own wiring harness...

Not sure if the 2.2 and 2.4 use the same size throttle bodies (I wouldn't think so!). Even if they did, there's a lot more to designing a system than "making sure it fits." A system optimised for the 2.2L won't give optimim performance on the 2.4L and vice-versa. Even more so due to the variable valve timing found in the 2.4L - it's an entirely different animal performance wise with much different requirements.

One thing we discovered during development of AEM's kit is that the 2.4L responded better to much smaller diameter intake tube sizes than anticipated. This can only be determined by building several different designs and dyno'ing them - and letting the numbers speak for themselves, instead of going with "what you know works" from past experience.

Anyone can buy the parts at Pep Boy's and build their own intake, but a properly designed air intake system will provide performance gains across the powerband rather than just in the top-end. Daily drivers need strong torque figures as well as better peak power. Much experimentation was done with runner lengths and tube diameters to get the engine responding well at all rpms.

From my dealings with AEM, I am confident that their intake (when released), will provide the provide the best combination of performance and engine response at all speeds. It may not be everyone's cup of tea - but they are on the ball and bringing it to market!

:thumb:

That one looks good for bringing in warm oily air. :D

Not sure if the 2.2 and 2.4 use the same size throttle bodies (I wouldn't think so!). Even if they did, there's a lot more to designing a system than "making sure it fits." A system optimised for the 2.2L won't give optimim performance on the 2.4L and vice-versa. Even more so due to the variable valve timing found in the 2.4L - it's an entirely different animal performance wise with much different requirements. :thumb:
I owned a 2001 nissan sentra that had the QG18DE in it. We didnt have that much after market support, so what some of us did, was we bought the AEM CAI for the SR20DE and redrilled the MAF adapter from AEM to fit our MAF's. We gained the same numbers that the SR did. I really want to buy parts that are made for the 2.2 and not have to modify 2.4 parts, but if i have to i will. The 2.2 gets better gas mileage and throttle reponse from a CAI that is why i want one so bad, this of course is coming from the owner of an 04 cavi with the 2.2 eco.

Do you understand that the 2.2L and 2.4L are not the same engine?
There are a lot more differences tha just the displacement.

Do you understand that the 2.2L and 2.4L are not the same engine?
There are a lot more differences tha just the displacement.
I do understand that. I have modded a couple of cars during my short stay here on earth. however, all cai are the same, it is a mandrel bent tubing that replaces the stock intake and places the filter outside of the engine pay so it can bring in cold air. I understand that there is alot of research and development that goes into these things too. I really dont want to have another car that im going to have to modify shit to make it work. Why cant they make the CAI for the 2.2 also. Im sure that it wouldn't take them that long once they have one for the 2.4 to make one for the 2.2. The throttle body appears to be in the same position, so all they would really have to do is play with pipe diameter to get the optimal settings. Hell i will probally end up testing the 2.4 CAI on the 2.2 when available anyway, i really just would like to have some more support for the 2.2.

Why cant they make the CAI for the 2.2 also. Im sure that it wouldn't take them that long once they have one for the 2.4 to make one for the 2.2.

You'll find that there is always more aftermarket support for the larger engine no matter what kind of vehicle you are talking about. Aftermarket manufacurers figure if a person is interested in the power of their engine then you'll start with the biggest engine available and not the littlest. A perfect example would be Mustangs and Camaros. While there are plenty of performance parts for the V6s there is like 100 times more stuff for V8s. Not to mention a lot more manufacturers of parts for the V8s. I don't think you are going to find much in the way of performance for the 2.2. You should have opted for the 2.4. From another board I have found out that the governer shuts you down a lot quicker with the 2.2. With the 2.2 it will shut you down at about 105 MPH while the 2.4 doesn't kick in untill 126 MPH. The 2.2 wasn't designed for performance. It was designed to be a reliable daily driver engine that is good on gas milage.

I saw the RSM Racing supercharger in the HHR at SEMA in November. The price sheet was around $4000 projected for the kit at that time. Here is a photo of it that I took.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/hhrdlyt/RSMSupercharger02SEMA2005.jpg

I also have photos of it mounted on the engine on an engine stand.....If anyone is interested.

Becky

I also found a picture on my pc of the rear disc brakes from SEMA on the RSM HHR...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/hhrdlyt/RSMRearDiscSEMA2005.jpg

here is the pic of the RSM Intake. This will work on the 2.2 or 2.4 per RSM.

http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/4/0/5/HHRintake1.JPG

Wow that's so hot. I want one.

ya but that filter is so close to the eng that will just suck in soooo much heat. it needs to be more by the air inlet

I know jack and I'll admit that but couldn't that be routed to a ram air hood?

this looks like crap cause i did it in 2 sec but i think this would help out with not getting as much heat

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/inarmywpride/Other%20Cars/HHRintake1copy.jpg

The thing you're not gettting is that the runner length and direction plays a huge part in the overall performance the intake will provide on a given engine. You can't just decide to move it somewhere else without changing the performance values.

The intake we had AEM prototype will mount in the rear also - it's a straight shot with the optimim runner length. This is also the area with the most room for a filter in the HHR engine compartment. Difference: AEM's intake will have a baffle plate to keep the hot engine air away from the intake element! :thumb:

ya i understand what you are saying in moving it. But if you can route cooler air into it. Instead of hot air that comes dir off the eng. You will have over all better power. Or you could fab up a cold air intake from the fender where the air hole is already

I was looking into the ram-air situation yeaterday. CJ, maybe you can answer this one since you've had all the bumper stuff off already. I don't have the fog lights, so it looks like I can just take the right fog light plug out and that should be open to the pocket that is feeding the air box now. In effect, you would have ram air into that fender cavity. Which inturn would give you higher positive air flow through the existing air hole. Add a heat shielded aem filter setup and you are set. Might even help with the standard air box setup.

Ram air doesn't have any performance effect until you are already doing a high rate of speed 80-100 mph. Ram air is a marketing gimmick, alot of the f-body guys with SS and WS6 cars swapped from the ram air intakes to the normal ones, better gains to be seen.

I understand that. I was not necesarily concerned about the ram-air as much as "ramming" colder air under the hood. This would work for that purpose though wouldn't it? It should just help to blow all of the heat from the engine out from under the hood.

Thoughts????

I understand that. I was not necesarily concerned about the ram-air as much as "ramming" colder air under the hood. This would work for that purpose though wouldn't it? It should just help to blow all of the heat from the engine out from under the hood.

Thoughts????

It's not going to do anything other than leave a hole in your fascia.

It's not going to do anything other than leave a hole in your fascia.

Beat me to it. When the cold air intake start coming out just buy one that uses a high quality paper filter and locates the filter in an area that has cooler air. This is all starting to get repetive, can a few of us put together a faq or something that answers all these questions? Might make this a bit easier.

Got it. Thanks!