FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c)1791. All Rights Reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians
ignore
the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no
safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to
control them.

22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make
more.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create
slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun
control.

Tireman, you hit the nail on the head...The intelligence and foresight of the men who drafted the Constitution is amazing, we are governed by a living document written over two hundred years ago, yet it is still applicable today...The Second Amendment has been chosen as the first target in the war against our freedoms, as the politicians who would erode our freedoms know that the American people are most likely to let it fall...and then the legal precedence to attack all of the Bill of Rights will have been set...Open your eyes and realize that guns are not or ruin, but our salvation. Shooters who carry out attacks like Virginia Tech, Columbine, etc are doing so against existing laws, so laws without enforcement are useless and enforcement without punishment has no effect.
This rant brought to you by a freedom loving, combat veteran of the United States Army...

All I can say is.....:thumb:

But this thread will have an early death.......:(

+1!!

i quote #18 quite often.

:thumb: :thumb: Molon Labe!

But this thread will have an early death.......:(

I'm sure it will, but it'll be nice to see where it goes before it gets murdered.

:thumb: :thumb: Molon Labe!
lol NIIICE

if you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns
gun control means never having to say i missed you

My idea of gun control is hitting what I am aiming at.

My idea of gun control is hitting what I am aiming at.

:thumb: AMEN!

Add oneton to your list

:thumb: Best gun control thread I have ever read!:thumb:

I found most funny or right except an armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a subject. :roll: Obviously I don't own a gun. :lol: It's my personal choice to not exercise my right to bear arms. That doesn't make me less of a citizen. :(

:lol: That doesn't make me less of a citizen. :(

You are right, but it does make you more likely to become a statistic!;)

Maybe.......but if I had one I would probably be in another static. The percentage of morons that accidentally shoot themselves in the foot. :red: :lol: I always say if I'm going to get a gun it's going to be a big bad ass gun like the chain gun Jesse Ventura had in Predator. Then I wouldn't have to use it. The other guy would just run in fear.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c122/amarini/bbgun2.jpg

Man if I had one of those I'd "have to use it" Just for the hell of it.

Man if I had one of those I'd "have to use it" Just for the hell of it.

YES SIR I would try that bad boy out as soon as i could load it

Oneton as big as you are all you have to do is show up
and they will run like hell.:rof: :nuts: :D


Alan

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That looks like a weapon from Knob Creek, Kentucky's annual machine gun G2G :lol: . I would love to have a turn behind that baby! And oh yea if you haven't guessed yet, I'm all for gun ownership.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

-- Thomas Jefferson

Guns dont kill people, Husbands that come home early from work do!!!:lol: LOL

Seriously i own several 2 hand guns and 4 rifles including an (ar 15) and an aka I dont hunt but i do target shoot with them and its peace of mind out on the farm that not to many crooks would like to see!!!

I once found a guy triin to steal gas from my Brother-in-laws tank in my back yard at like 3 am walked out fired about 2 shots in the air and watched this guy tear arse through a feild ( wiped it about 4 times) i got 3 new gas cans and a good laugh out of it!!

Guns dont kill people, Husbands that come home early from work do!!!:lol: LOL



:guns: :rof: :laughabov Now thats funny right there!

if you outlaw toilet paper, then only outlaws will have toilet paper

someone should use a gun on a certain "crow"...

Forgive my ignorance, but there must be some gun control in the States... Does it vary depending on where you live? I know that there are "waiting times", but could someone tell me what the average American would have to do to acquire the following:

AR-15, Glock 9mm, and 500 rounds of ammo for each.

I'm just curious...:confused:

I'll just say this.....The dedicated homicidal maniac WILL find someone who will sell him the weapons to kill you with. Be prepared. If you are going to own a gun, be responsible and get training on proper handling. Continue your training on a regular basis. If you have not handled your firearm in five years, you are not going to be proficient with it. Oh, and please don't wave it out the window at the guy who cut you off in traffic. *BE* *RESPONSIBLE*:guns: :guns:

Forgive my ignorance, but there must be some gun control in the States... Does it vary depending on where you live? I know that there are "waiting times", but could someone tell me what the average American would have to do to acquire the following:

AR-15, Glock 9mm, and 500 rounds of ammo for each.

I'm just curious...:confused:


depends on which state.
for exa, im pretty sure states like NY, and Cali, the AR is out. unless you had already owned it. those states also still have a ban on "standard mags" (+10rds).

states like FL (:thumb: ) any rifle/shotgun you can take it home that day (pending BG check comes back OK). handguns are a 3 day wait. there is no restrictions on ammo. (other than your wallet)

i just picked up 1K rounds at a gun show. its easier than buying a few boxes at a time, or the store to be out.

Don't know if that last comment was for me, but I thought I'd just add a bit so people know where I'm coming from.

When I was in the Canadian Forces I was trained to use, among other things, the C7A1 (Canadian version of the AR-15), and the Browning 9mm pistol.

In any case, there is little to no chance I'd ever be able to own the C7A1 or anything like it as it is classified as a “prohibited” weapon. As well, it would be very difficult for me to obtain the Beretta as it is classified as “restricted”. This assumes that I wish to obtain them legally.

I just wonder what the process is like in the States for the average American who wishes to own similar firearms to the ones I’ve described.

Thanks for the info - so it does very A LOT from State to State?

depends on which state.
for exa, im pretty sure states like NY, and Cali, the AR is out. unless you had already owned it. those states also still have a ban on "standard mags" (+10rds).

Not necessarily. :confused: My buddy Corry picked up a brand new Israeli AK-47 at a gun show around here not too long ago. I think you can still purchase assault weaponry but can't buy it at gun shops. I think it has to be purchased off of a personal trader. I don't know our gun laws all that well because not only does it vary by state but here in New York I believe we have a different set of gun laws for New York City and the state.

Here are the state by state gun laws

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Default.aspx#?st=AZ

Here are the state by state gun laws

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Default.aspx#?st=AZ

Thanks for the link - there is loads of good info there. Quite an eye opener for this Canuck!

I got a kick out of Virginia's take on Machine Guns:

"MACHINE GUNS
A machine gun is defined as a weapon that shoots or is
designed to shoot, automatically without manual reloading
more than one shot by a single function of the trigger.
Possession of a machine gun for an aggressive or
offensive purpose is prohibited."

I can see it now, "Hey buddy, you aren't buying this machine gun for agressive or offensive purposes are you?":lol:

Thats why ole boy did'nt use a machine gun. He answered YES on his application.

Thats why ole boy did'nt use a machine gun. He answered YES on his application.
he lied on his other form, why not the NFA one?


really its cause he didn't have $10-$20K to spend on an MG.

Hmmmm, in the above number 4... "gun control".

We guys in the "business" used to say, "Putting 3 rapid fires, where it counts".;)

Forgive my ignorance, but there must be some gun control in the States... Does it vary depending on where you live? I know that there are "waiting times", but could someone tell me what the average American would have to do to acquire the following:

AR-15, Glock 9mm, and 500 rounds of ammo for each.

I'm just curious...:confused:


assuming that you have unlimited funds, (as the ar is fairly pricey) its not that hard. here in kentucky you can take the ar home with you, usually within 15 minutes (background checks are approved fairly quick over the phone), glock you have to wait 3 days for unless you purchase it from a gun show, in which case you can take it home that day pending bg check approval. as for your ammo, i buy it by the case (1000 rounds) its cheaper that way. no restriction on ammo.

i have a rifle and a ruger superblackhawk .44 mag. approx 1200 rounds for the rifle (bought two cases several years ago and have been whittlin them down target shooting ever since), and **sniff** im down to six rounds for my pistol :sad:

people often freak out when they hear on the news that someone had " over 2000 rounds of ammo". its very easy to own 1000 rounds and its not as much as everyone thinks. 1000 rounds for my rifle is a box the size of a shoebox. 1000 rounds for a .22 rifle, small enough to fit in a coat pocket.

fantomfreke.....

excellent point, IMO.

After reading your post, I went and checked my "supplies". Collectively, counting all calibers, etc., I have nearly 3000 rounds. I have about 12 weapons total....all are legal (have 1 registered under the 1968 Federal Firearms Act). The newspapers probably would have an increase in circulation if they wrote a story of my "cache".:lol: :lol: :lol:

(have 1 registered under the 1968 Federal Firearms Act).


sweet, you have one grandfathered in. i have often wanted to have been around then just so i could stamp some serial numbers in some muffler tubing so i could have a silencer. (my 44 is LOUD) or have an old tommy gun.

btw have you ever read unintended consequences? if not Im a believer that evryone should read it, its a really good book.

Forgive my ignorance, but there must be some gun control in the States... Does it vary depending on where you live? I know that there are "waiting times", but could someone tell me what the average American would have to do to acquire the following:

AR-15, Glock 9mm, and 500 rounds of ammo for each.

I'm just curious...:confused:

AR15 (Rifle) has a 24hr wait period in IL, Glock (handgun) has a 72 hour wait time. Ammo you can buy without having to wait... BUT you must have a Firearms Owners Identification car on you to purchase any of these things in IL. I have a little less than 24 hours left before I can go pick up my new S&W MP 9mm. The wait times dont bother me either. Currently i have 150 rounds of 9mm ammo and no weapon to use it with LOL!!!

Recently I heard that there was a litigation that was going before the Fedral appelate court involving firearms. It was reguarding the 2nd amendment and our right to bear arms ( but not arm bears)! From what I understood of the conversation someone was taking all the states with bans on certian weapons to court stating that its our civic duty to keep and maintain a weapon for defense of home and country from enemys foreign and domestic. If this is upheald in the appelet court ( it may have already been to the supreme court ) It will be fedraly mandated that all Americans are allowed to keep firearms, this also covers concealed carry rights. I'll have to look into this alot more but for now I'm going off hearsay so this may be innacurate.

National instant criminal background check system (NICS) was put into effect on November 30, 1998. Essentially, the national instant criminal background check system was established in response to the need for mandatory background checks on persons desiring to purchase firearms, otherwise called Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders. The national instant criminal background check system was instituted by the US Attorney General in accordance with the Brady Act, which was passed in November 1993. Basically, the national instant criminal background check system was put into effect so that any person desiring to own a firearm may be looked into more easily. In other words, with the national instant criminal background check system, you may easily determine if someone wanting to own a firearm is prohibited from doing so in accordance to the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Hence, the importance of the national instant criminal background check system, particularly if you are the owner or a dealer of a firearms store. The national instant criminal background check system is situated at the Division of Criminal Justice Information Services of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, West Virginia. Moreover, the national instant criminal background check system is available to FFL holders in 30 US states and Washington DC, as well as 5 American territories.

Is a free people background check enough?
Now, because free people background check is without charge, we cannot really expect a full and exhaustive people background check report. Furthermore, with free people background check (admin link edit), you can more or less expect that you will have to do it via self service. Nonetheless, free people background check will still be able to provide you with first round knowledge about the person you want to learn about, as well as to lay the groundwork for a thorough, detailed and extensive investigation.

incube.....

you wouldn't be promoting your own web site, would you?

Oh, and you forgot to include a key word in your description of the system...."PUBLIC".

Law enforcement has had access to this information for many more years (1970's) through a properly instructed command through NCIC.

Snoop...I smell :diespam:



Goose

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I don't personnally own a handgun, but believe you should be able to if you pass the back ground checks. We all have a right to defend ourselves against dnagerous agression that may cause bodily harm or death. Like we said when I worked for the Fed. Prison System. When in the tower, in case of attempted escapes etc, Aim to mame, but no garuntee in Markmanship.

Aim to mame, but no garuntee in Markmanship.

:lol: Funny in my "previous" career. Our targets had a specific spot to hit. From that, I got the impression they wanted us to "shoot to kill"......;) Guess I did ok, I even got a star on my ribbon. :thumb:

I need to buy a Beta C-mag for my AR before they get banned!

I don't personnally own a handgun, but believe you should be able to if you pass the back ground checks. We all have a right to defend ourselves against dnagerous agression that may cause bodily harm or death. Like we said when I worked for the Fed. Prison System. When in the tower, in case of attempted escapes etc, Aim to mame, but no garuntee in Markmanship.

Unfortunately in IL we have an obligation to flee before we can defend ourselves even in our own homes. Its probably one of the stupidest laws we have on the books. Our Attorney General tried prosecuting an off duty officer for discharging his weapon and hitting an armed felon, stating that he wasn't on duty and should have called 911 like any normal citizen would have to do.

we have an obligation to flee before we can defend ourselves even in our own homes

So they're basically telling the Illinoisians(?) to bend over and take it up the tailpipe. :roll:

"There's a possibility you might die, but don't protect yourself." :mad:

No way I would flee in my own home. I don't know what the law is here in Oklahoma, but I remember in WV it was something like you had to be in the farthest place away from your home entrance before you could retaliate, which is a little better, but not much. If I see someone breaking into the living room, I'm not gonna bait them to my bedroom just to shoot 'em. :roll: