DO you like the thunderbirds or the blue angels or do you like them both!!
I like both of them.

Only the Blue Angels can land on a moving carrier deck.;)

Both my wife and I are ex Navy... who do you think we root for?

:thumb: :thumb: to both!!

I do like them both, it is so cool to watch what both teams can do. You have to tip your hat off to them :bow:

I voted for the T-birds. I grew up watching them. My mother use to date one of the crew chiefs so we got to go watch from the flight line as a kid.

I have worked with them both and they are both Great in thier own way, any Pilot that can fly the Plane 12" from each other are really cool Pilots and I wish I could be in the Seat when they do this. Yes the Angels can land on Carriers but then again that is what they do as Navy Pilots. if you go to the Angels Photo Poster web site you will see what I mean flying 12" from each other. I still like Fat Albert and that is run by the U.S. Marines Flight Team that support the Angels. To me any Pilot that does this type of Flying is one of the Best Pilots. It takes more then guts. Just think if we could get the G force out of our HHr's then we would know what the Pilots are going through. Man that would be really fast.

I was at Elmendorf back in 03 and I remember being in Anchorage watching the T-Birds scream overhead and over the bay...THAT was very impressive to see them in that setting


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Both put on amazing shows. I'm retired AF but love to watch any of them, including the Snowbirds. Why would any choose one or the other?

As an Air Force brat, I grew up watching the Thunderbirds at least twice a year. I too got to watch from the flight line!!

I've yet to see the Blue Angels perform in person.

I love going to air shows, and attend several each year. Both are amazing, and put on great shows. I like the F/A 18 Hornet a bit better than the F-16, so in that respect I like the Blue Angels, however when it comes to the arobatics, both are incredible. I can only imagine the skill and courage it takes to fly that close to another jet, and perform the stunts they do. :bow:

:D Love them all. I've been to see T-Birds & B.A. and Snowbirds at NAS Willow Grove :thumb: . Unfortunately, NASWG is closing. :bye: Guess I'll have to go to McGuire now. McGuire is a little farther but it should still be worth it. I could sit on my front lawn and watch the show at WG if I wanted to. They all put on awesome shows. :thumb: :one:

I'm an airplane freak, so I'll vote for all of them.

I voted for both of them also. I've seen both shows and think they're equally great! What you don't realize is any show will consist of all the services together. The Army Black Knights are usually there along with an Air Force A-10 or F-22, Navy F-18, civilian arobatic bi-plane, and all the static displays. Heck, some day both the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels could be flying the same aircraft if the DoD has their way!

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U.S.Navy and U.S. Army Retired

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Great stuff there Rudy...thanks.:bow: :thumb:

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Check this out.
http://www.blueangels.com/posters.shtml
http://www.blueangels.navy.mil/index.htm (Turn the sound up)

Only the Blue Angels can land on a moving carrier deck.;)

Yes, impressive. But only the Thunderbirds can pull 9 G's sustained in the Falcon :D

BTW, full disclosure, I knew a guy who was a Blue Angel aviator. Those guys, the T-birds, and the Snowbirds are all incredible aviators. I've seen all three, and it's impossible to pick a clear winner. The Angels have the techniques, the T-birds have the speed, and the Snowbirds have the grace.

It'll be cool to see what happens when the Angels and T-birds get the F-35. Imagine a VSTOL feature in the show!

Being Canadian, I naturally root for the Snowbirds... and I realize that the CL-41G is a much smaller aircraft, but the Snowbirds do fly 9 of them, compared to 6 for the Blues and the T-Birds.


Yes, impressive. But only the Thunderbirds can pull 9 G's sustained in the Falcon :D

BTW, full disclosure, I knew a guy who was a Blue Angel aviator. Those guys, the T-birds, and the Snowbirds are all incredible aviators. I've seen all three, and it's impossible to pick a clear winner. The Angels have the techniques, the T-birds have the speed, and the Snowbirds have the grace.

It'll be cool to see what happens when the Angels and T-birds get the F-35. Imagine a VSTOL feature in the show!

http://www.snowbirds.forces.gc.ca/site/index_e.asp
Thank you for the info on the snowbirds here is there website!!!:thumb:

Thunderbirds all the way. F-16 can outfly a Hornet any day of the week.

Thunderbirds all the way. F-16 can outfly a Hornet any day of the week.


Long Ranger
You are correct, The F-16 was made so that almost anyone can fly it. It was made so that it would be very easy to Fly then any other Aircraft ever made. Have you ever had the chance to sit in One. It is something that you would never forget. (An Outstanding Feeling).

Z

:D Been working with the air force for close to 40 years now. The blue angles get my vote. I was stationed at nellis afb for awhile and the thunderchickens blow.:nuts:

Yes, impressive. But only the Thunderbirds can pull 9 G's sustained in the Falcon :D

BTW, full disclosure, I knew a guy who was a Blue Angel aviator. Those guys, the T-birds, and the Snowbirds are all incredible aviators. I've seen all three, and it's impossible to pick a clear winner. The Angels have the techniques, the T-birds have the speed, and the Snowbirds have the grace.

It'll be cool to see what happens when the Angels and T-birds get the F-35. Imagine a VSTOL feature in the show!

ANGLES...

you ain t seen anything unless you saw them in the F4... seen them so low that the water (puget sound a the end of the runway here at nas whidbey) was moving beneith them.

saw discovery chanel when the ANGLES spent two weeks in the old soviet union... great program. the soviet pilots only were the CALF gsuite. only two planes i know of that can do the COBRA... neither the tbirs or ANGLES have it.

the most in presive planes i have seen... sr71 almendorf ak an the u2 at moffett fld ca both sit on their tail and dissapear... one a little faster than the other

14 yrs usn 22 yrs DON

Thunderbirds all the way. F-16 can outfly a Hornet any day of the week.

can t land on a moving deck... can t carry the load... supuer hornet coming to a base near you soon

Ex Navy and retired Navy civil service - Blue Angels.

(The F/A 18 is more versatile than the F 16)

Ex Navy and retired Navy civil service - Blue Angels.

(The F/A 18 is more versatile than the F 16)


:usa: http://www2.whidbey.net/urraca/index__George_In_the_NAVY.htm

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I was impressed by the Blue Angels, BUT the Thunderbirds get my vote all the way! :D

Easy...Angels...

It's not just being able to land on a carrier...its landing on a carrier in storm seas...at night...with just enough fuel to make one landing...you see the ship...its pitching this way and that way...it drops down behind a large swell...and loose sight of it...you have to do your best to control the plane...look for the ship as it comes up into sight...get your speed just right...the wind pushes you off course...you have to land...THIS is one of the most difficult landings in flying, no matter what anyone says. I've never seen an A/F pilot do a rough seas carrier landing.

They both impress. Labor Day weekend, The Cleveland National Air Show. :one:

In all fairness to the T-birds, Air Force pilots are simply not trained to land on aircraft carriers because it is not essential to their mission parameters. I've also never seen a Blue Angels performance where a carrier trap was performed!

I like the narration in the Blue Angels performances, but I really like the low-level, high speed flying and tighter aerobatics the T-birds can perform better with the Falcon. I have a feeling we'll be seeing a lot more interesting shows out of both of them when the F-35 replaces the Hornet and Falcon. I highly doubt we'll ever see a Super Hornet fly in the Blue Angels. It's too new and heavy to use in their show, and the unit tends to use the older planes that are right on the edge of the scrapyard.

actually the high low performances are determined by weather conditions and and local ground obsticals... we get tnhe ANGLES up here every year for SEAFAIR... alot of times the come up here to NAS Whidbey to do a pre show show for the sailors at the airstation... garentee thay can fly low... they have bent the top of my 100' fir tree in my front yard. i look and see if i can find some pics

actually the high low performances are determined by weather conditions and and local ground obsticals... we get tnhe ANGLES up here every year for SEAFAIR... alot of times the come up here to NAS Whidbey to do a pre show show for the sailors at the airstation... garentee thay can fly low... they have bent the top of my 100' fir tree in my front yard. i look and see if i can find some pics

Well, I've seen both teams at the same venue, Aerospace America at Oklahoma City, actually I've seen the Snowbirds there too, and the T-birds flew lower and tighter every time. I'm not saying it makes them any better, which I don't think either team is "better" than the other anyway.

I think with the age of the airframes both teams use, they're all pretty brave to go up in those jets.

Both are very capable fighters, and both perform their job at a very high level. Let's not forget these two planes are on the same team! I've seen both MANY times, and both put on a great show. I don't think you can make a case that one is head and shoulders above the other. Sure, you can say a hornet can't turn with a falcon, but a falcon doesn't have the payload ability of the hornet, or the super hornet for that matter. These two planes are not made for the same mission, so comparison is apples to oranges. While the falcon does have some air to ground capability, it can't compare with the hornet. And the hornet is not quite the dog fighter as the falcon. One thing is for sure, if I'm in the heat of a battle, I wouldn't be disappointed to see either of these jets in the area. Just my :2cents:

ok... navy pride... the ANGLES RULE... the f16 has ONE designated mission "F
fighter... the FA18 (HORNET/SUPER H) and EFA18 (GROWLER) is a designated multi mission aircraft... "F" fighter "A" attack (big bombs) "E" electronic warfare... plus it is bigger and weighs more (beefier to land on carriers... f16s would break into little pieces if they had to land as hard.

the premier AF aircraft prior to the RAPTOR was the F16 (still an "F") except the strike eagle is able to carry a HUGH bomb load and can launce missiles at satalites. it held the world speed to altitude record for years (it might still) for years... has never been shot down in a dog fight. navy pride but the f15 is superior to all except the RAPTOR.

NAVY ANGELS were flying the F4 (love the PHANTOM, big, ugly and dumb... took two guys to manage it)... hugh monster that was really never ment to be a manuvering fighter... it just was faster than anything else at the time and could run away if it had to... the TBIRDS were using the F100 during the same period, not a very good plane for stunts... TBs had a hard time with them. not sure that the f16 was even on par with some of the later soviet aircraft... the f15 most definately was/is... if they can for sure correct the structural problem that developed last year.

the F18 SUPER HORNET airframe is a much larger verson of the F18 and is going to be around for decades... that being said the F18 that the ANGLES fly is not an SH and it is actually much lighter than the fleet service model as i am sure the TB F16 FALCON is.

again 36 yrs active duty and working for dept of the Navy...

ANGLES RULE:thumb:

GO NAVY :one:

ps... if the HORNET can stand up to the MARINE flyrs... it can stand up to anything...

heard an AF pilot once say "i would never accept an aircraft that bleeds as much as that one"... refering to an F4 with the normal (navy/marine normal) hydralic stains... wimps:lol:

heard an AF pilot once say "i would never accept an aircraft that bleeds as much as that one"... refering to an F4 with the normal (navy/marine normal) hydralic stains... wimps:lol:

Probably just a case of being smarter....more brains !!!;) :lol: :lol:

Actually, the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds BOTH flew the Phantom during the same time period. Both teams went away from the Phantom after 1973 because of the oil crisis. All 6 of the Thunderbird's T-38s used as much fuel as ONE Phantom during the entire show. The T-Birds went to the F-16 after the terrible Diamond Crash in '81 or '82 I think.

The F-100 wasn't a bad plane for aerobatics. It was the F-105 that they'd used for one season that gave them problems and killed an aviator, so they went back to the 100 until the switch to the Phantoms.

The Navy used the A-4 after the Phantoms. Ugly little plane, but very maneuverable.

I support anyone who can fly like that. Therefore, I vote for both. :thumb:

Actually, the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds BOTH flew the Phantom during the same time period. Both teams went away from the Phantom after 1973 because of the oil crisis. All 6 of the Thunderbird's T-38s used as much fuel as ONE Phantom during the entire show. The T-Birds went to the F-16 after the terrible Diamond Crash in '81 or '82 I think.

The F-100 wasn't a bad plane for aerobatics. It was the F-105 that they'd used for one season that gave them problems and killed an aviator, so they went back to the 100 until the switch to the Phantoms.

The Navy used the A-4 after the Phantoms. Ugly little plane, but very maneuverable.

not sure that the ANGLE or the tbs were concerned about fuel...

got to admit the PHANTOM was "pig" the navy F4 didn t have flight controls in the back seat like the AF but the AF F4 did have a tailhook for balance... never saw the TB F4s think i was doing battle somewhere. the A4 skyhawk (SCOOTERS) fun little guy. in the late 50s the F100 was known for shooting it self down... ingesting it s sheel casing in a dive... had one flame out and land about four block from us on the Boulder Hwy...

i know i scanned in F4 ANGLES in the fareast in the earlly seventies... looking hard:smile:

Go Navy!!!