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03-30-2014, 07:52 PM
#11
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When I first got interested in HHR's I went to a local dealer in my area. At that time they had already been discontinued by GM. He had about 50 HHR's all brand new 2011. This was in summer of 2012. Are you getting my drift yet? We'll you got it all those cars that were manufactured in 2011 and sold in 2012 are registered 2012
03-30-2014, 08:59 PM
#12
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Not possible for them to be registered as 2012's.
Vehicle model years are clearly identified by a letter or number in the VIN.
The model year is always identified by the 10th digit of the VIN as established by U.S. CODE 49 CFR Part 565, adopted in 1980.
Fudging or tampering with a VIN to change a vehicle's model year is a Class 2 Felony.
Vehicle model years are clearly identified by a letter or number in the VIN.
The model year is always identified by the 10th digit of the VIN as established by U.S. CODE 49 CFR Part 565, adopted in 1980.
Fudging or tampering with a VIN to change a vehicle's model year is a Class 2 Felony.
03-30-2014, 09:54 PM
#15
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I owned a company called Rolling Thunder Mfg. We manufactured motorcycle frames for the custom industry. We were big. We delt with everybody in the industry. I was had to get, but, I did get authority from Transport Canada to stamp 17 digit numbers on our frames. I can tell you for a fact that although the tenth digit was stamped for the year the frame was made the actual year the bike was finished and registered with the DMV was the year it was registered as.
03-31-2014, 01:18 AM
#16
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Aha, well there's the difference, Canadian law vs. U.S. law. And the differences between "Assembled" vehicles such as custom cycles and hot rods vs. "Mass Produced" vehicles such as HHR's.
I'm sure that when the bikes were assembled into complete vehicles, you had to provide the purchaser or dealer with a Certificate of Origin giving the date of final assembly which then became its "Model Year".
It's much more cut and dried with mass produced vehicles, their VIN numbers are assigned at the time manufacturing commences. That VIN is on the bar coded build sheet that acts as the DNA and Birth Certificate as the unit goes from steel stampings to finished product.
While a bike frame or hot rod frame may sit in inventory for months or years, the plant at Ramos Arizpe could turn the 100,000+ parts required to build an HHR into a finished vehicle in around 20 hours.
I'm sure that when the bikes were assembled into complete vehicles, you had to provide the purchaser or dealer with a Certificate of Origin giving the date of final assembly which then became its "Model Year".
It's much more cut and dried with mass produced vehicles, their VIN numbers are assigned at the time manufacturing commences. That VIN is on the bar coded build sheet that acts as the DNA and Birth Certificate as the unit goes from steel stampings to finished product.
While a bike frame or hot rod frame may sit in inventory for months or years, the plant at Ramos Arizpe could turn the 100,000+ parts required to build an HHR into a finished vehicle in around 20 hours.
03-31-2014, 01:26 PM
#17
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Join Date: 02-19-2014
Location: Montreal
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Aha, well there's the difference, Canadian law vs. U.S. law. And the differences between "Assembled" vehicles such as custom cycles and hot rods vs. "Mass Produced" vehicles such as HHR's.
I'm sure that when the bikes were assembled into complete vehicles, you had to provide the purchaser or dealer with a Certificate of Origin giving the date of final assembly which then became its "Model Year".
It's much more cut and dried with mass produced vehicles, their VIN numbers are assigned at the time manufacturing commences. That VIN is on the bar coded build sheet that acts as the DNA and Birth Certificate as the unit goes from steel stampings to finished product.
While a bike frame or hot rod frame may sit in inventory for months or years, the plant at Ramos Arizpe could turn the 100,000+ parts required to build an HHR into a finished vehicle in around 20 hours.
I'm sure that when the bikes were assembled into complete vehicles, you had to provide the purchaser or dealer with a Certificate of Origin giving the date of final assembly which then became its "Model Year".
It's much more cut and dried with mass produced vehicles, their VIN numbers are assigned at the time manufacturing commences. That VIN is on the bar coded build sheet that acts as the DNA and Birth Certificate as the unit goes from steel stampings to finished product.
While a bike frame or hot rod frame may sit in inventory for months or years, the plant at Ramos Arizpe could turn the 100,000+ parts required to build an HHR into a finished vehicle in around 20 hours.
03-31-2014, 01:31 PM
#18
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Join Date: 05-09-2006
Location: "Upland" Mesa, Arizona
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Just a thought.....
Wasn't there a previous discussion, and as a result that some countries label the vehicle's model year as the date it was sold. If correct, I believe we may indeed have a few 2012 models.......although not really.
Wasn't there a previous discussion, and as a result that some countries label the vehicle's model year as the date it was sold. If correct, I believe we may indeed have a few 2012 models.......although not really.
03-31-2014, 01:40 PM
#19
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Join Date: 02-19-2014
Location: Montreal
Posts: 36
Aha, well there's the difference, Canadian law vs. U.S. law. And the differences between "Assembled" vehicles such as custom cycles and hot rods vs. "Mass Produced" vehicles such as HHR's.
I'm sure that when the bikes were assembled into complete vehicles, you had to provide the purchaser or dealer with a Certificate of Origin giving the date of final assembly which then became its "Model Year".
It's much more cut and dried with mass produced vehicles, their VIN numbers are assigned at the time manufacturing commences. That VIN is on the bar coded build sheet that acts as the DNA and Birth Certificate as the unit goes from steel stampings to finished product.
While a bike frame or hot rod frame may sit in inventory for months or years, the plant at Ramos Arizpe could turn the 100,000+ parts required to build an HHR into a finished vehicle in around 20 hours.
I'm sure that when the bikes were assembled into complete vehicles, you had to provide the purchaser or dealer with a Certificate of Origin giving the date of final assembly which then became its "Model Year".
It's much more cut and dried with mass produced vehicles, their VIN numbers are assigned at the time manufacturing commences. That VIN is on the bar coded build sheet that acts as the DNA and Birth Certificate as the unit goes from steel stampings to finished product.
While a bike frame or hot rod frame may sit in inventory for months or years, the plant at Ramos Arizpe could turn the 100,000+ parts required to build an HHR into a finished vehicle in around 20 hours.
03-31-2014, 02:06 PM
#20
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Join Date: 06-26-2006
Location: San Bernardino, California
Posts: 1,876
I recall having a similar discussion on the El Camino site. A few guys even posted registrations that showed that the had a 1988 El Camino which, of course, GM never built. Whatever the DMV initially puts on that registration stays with the vehicle for life, right or wrong.