My "hypermiling" techniques
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From: CLEVELAND
Hypermilling is not drafting..lol
It's not breaking laws...at least anymore than those that don't hypermile.
Hypermiling is not a game.
It's driving.
Most people do not have the skill, attention span or ar too busy doing something else other than driving to hypermile.
I am amazed how many people feel that driving a manual is to taxing, or inconvienient. When you are forced to "drive" your car, not just "ride" in it, you be safer on the road. Your right hand should be driving the car, not eating, drinking, changing CD's, smoking, applying makeup or cell phoning!
I notice people driving 80 or more, thats a game. If you crash you'll probably be seriously injured or die. They dont put crash dummies into cars and crash them at over 75 because the dummies cost too much...lol J/K but you get my drift.
Driving like you late or in a general hurry makes you dangerous to yourself and others around you.
Most don't really get all of this until they get into an serious accident. I bet the next day they pay a little more attention to their speed, and others (doing dangeros things) around them.
It's not breaking laws...at least anymore than those that don't hypermile.
Hypermiling is not a game.
It's driving.
Most people do not have the skill, attention span or ar too busy doing something else other than driving to hypermile.
I am amazed how many people feel that driving a manual is to taxing, or inconvienient. When you are forced to "drive" your car, not just "ride" in it, you be safer on the road. Your right hand should be driving the car, not eating, drinking, changing CD's, smoking, applying makeup or cell phoning!
I notice people driving 80 or more, thats a game. If you crash you'll probably be seriously injured or die. They dont put crash dummies into cars and crash them at over 75 because the dummies cost too much...lol J/K but you get my drift.
Driving like you late or in a general hurry makes you dangerous to yourself and others around you.
Most don't really get all of this until they get into an serious accident. I bet the next day they pay a little more attention to their speed, and others (doing dangeros things) around them.
Last edited by Clevelandhhrss; Jul 12, 2008 at 10:01 PM.
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My statement was not based on your description of how you hypermile. I have no doubt that an intelligent person can do it just fine. My statement was based on what I have read on the internet about the lengths people are going to to try to gain 1 mpg. I am mainly concerned with the people who have the most need to stretch every penny out of a gallon of fuel - kids. Not because there is anything wrong with kids. Mostly because they generally work minimum wage jobs and are struggling with today's fuel prices.
And the reason I have a problem with that is that they are the same ones who made drifting a past time. And the ones who not invented, but got out of hand with street racing, etc. They are the ones who already weave in and out of traffic on the interstate barely missing the corner of your car, usually while having their seat laid so far back you can't even see them and their music so loud it drowns out my own radio.
I mentioned talking on a cell phone before. There are a lot of people who can do it successfully behind the wheel of a car. As I'm sure there are hypermilers. But the distraction is the same, and the amount of discussion about the subject on the internet shows that people are going to extraordinary (read as dangerous) lengths to make the mpg average go up.
And the reason I have a problem with that is that they are the same ones who made drifting a past time. And the ones who not invented, but got out of hand with street racing, etc. They are the ones who already weave in and out of traffic on the interstate barely missing the corner of your car, usually while having their seat laid so far back you can't even see them and their music so loud it drowns out my own radio.
I mentioned talking on a cell phone before. There are a lot of people who can do it successfully behind the wheel of a car. As I'm sure there are hypermilers. But the distraction is the same, and the amount of discussion about the subject on the internet shows that people are going to extraordinary (read as dangerous) lengths to make the mpg average go up.
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the one aspect that is the MOST DRAMATIC on mpg is not mentioned and it is the formula that the EPA just changed in the MPG calculation for cars when the ESTIMATED MPG by manufacturers took a hit last year by about 10-15%....
the RATE OF ACCELERATION was calculated so DRASTICALLY LOW or more accurately IMPRACTICABLE that no person on earth could get a car to accelerate so slowly......
BUT with practice you can achieve a consistantly slow accerleration combined with a slower overall speed of say 60-65 and arrive at your destination 10 minutes later, BUT one 1000lb gorrilla lighter (in terms of frustration) and with a few extra bucks in your pocket.....i was employing these techniques with the '04 sebring i replaced with an '08 LS 2.2L and will continue to employ them.....i find it more amusing to look for the "ROAD RAGE" incidents in the making as the WORLD FLIES by here in the DFW area.....i swear every single driver here is illiterate because the posted limits seem to read 80+/WOT, whatever is greater.....
the RATE OF ACCELERATION was calculated so DRASTICALLY LOW or more accurately IMPRACTICABLE that no person on earth could get a car to accelerate so slowly......
BUT with practice you can achieve a consistantly slow accerleration combined with a slower overall speed of say 60-65 and arrive at your destination 10 minutes later, BUT one 1000lb gorrilla lighter (in terms of frustration) and with a few extra bucks in your pocket.....i was employing these techniques with the '04 sebring i replaced with an '08 LS 2.2L and will continue to employ them.....i find it more amusing to look for the "ROAD RAGE" incidents in the making as the WORLD FLIES by here in the DFW area.....i swear every single driver here is illiterate because the posted limits seem to read 80+/WOT, whatever is greater.....
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And the reason I have a problem with that is that they are the same ones who made drifting a past time. And the ones who not invented, but got out of hand with street racing, etc. They are the ones who already weave in and out of traffic on the interstate barely missing the corner of your car, usually while having their seat laid so far back you can't even see them and their music so loud it drowns out my own radio.
FYI- I'm 50+ and we would do what is now called drifting in the 60's & 70's. We called it dirt tracking. Heck we would even do it on motorcycles. I still have my 8mm movies of a group of us doing it. Video cameras were not invented yet.
I ran radials in front and bias ply tires with a huge sway bar in the rear on my autocross VW and could hang it out big time.. It was a blast.As far as street racing. Ya gotta go back to the 40's & 50's. Street racing is what started NHRA.And you're in B'field. Home of one of the oldest NHRA drag strip in the nation! Heck, I belonged to a club that even had a portable Xmas tree for our nightly events. Oh and we didn't just go straight line. So.Cal. Canyon races were well attended too!
Loud music is not a current thing either..Rolling Stones at max volume was cool in the 60's as well
You must have lead a very sheltered life. There is really nothing new in the car culture, just new names and different cars.Drifting, street racing and seeking MPG are totally unrelated...Can't we all just get a long
Last edited by Hotrodbob; Jul 12, 2008 at 07:40 PM. Reason: mo info
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My statement was not based on your description of how you hypermile. I have no doubt that an intelligent person can do it just fine. My statement was based on what I have read on the internet about the lengths people are going to to try to gain 1 mpg. I am mainly concerned with the people who have the most need to stretch every penny out of a gallon of fuel - kids. Not because there is anything wrong with kids. Mostly because they generally work minimum wage jobs and are struggling with today's fuel prices.
And the reason I have a problem with that is that they are the same ones who made drifting a past time. And the ones who not invented, but got out of hand with street racing, etc. They are the ones who already weave in and out of traffic on the interstate barely missing the corner of your car, usually while having their seat laid so far back you can't even see them and their music so loud it drowns out my own radio.
I mentioned talking on a cell phone before. There are a lot of people who can do it successfully behind the wheel of a car. As I'm sure there are hypermilers. But the distraction is the same, and the amount of discussion about the subject on the internet shows that people are going to extraordinary (read as dangerous) lengths to make the mpg average go up.
And the reason I have a problem with that is that they are the same ones who made drifting a past time. And the ones who not invented, but got out of hand with street racing, etc. They are the ones who already weave in and out of traffic on the interstate barely missing the corner of your car, usually while having their seat laid so far back you can't even see them and their music so loud it drowns out my own radio.
I mentioned talking on a cell phone before. There are a lot of people who can do it successfully behind the wheel of a car. As I'm sure there are hypermilers. But the distraction is the same, and the amount of discussion about the subject on the internet shows that people are going to extraordinary (read as dangerous) lengths to make the mpg average go up.
I hear ya, and agree. However I doubt that kids care about hypermiling...the "demographic" of hypermilers are not street drift racing, snot nosed, Ludakris listening, laid back seat types. These kids care about image. Hypermiling is not sexy...lol I would guess (but just a guess) that I am much closer to the age of these "kids" than you are. I also think that using a cell phone in a car while driving impairs people as much as the .08 limit here in ohio.
I just don't want people to get the idea that hypermiling is all these dangerous things. Just because dateline wants a "sensational" story and depicts hypermiling as turning your car off 10 times in a 30 minute highway commute, or drafting/slipstreaming big rigs, does not mean that is the definition. My definition is efficient and legal driving. i think most that do would agree.
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the one aspect that is the MOST DRAMATIC on mpg is not mentioned and it is the formula that the EPA just changed in the MPG calculation for cars when the ESTIMATED MPG by manufacturers took a hit last year by about 10-15%....
the RATE OF ACCELERATION was calculated so DRASTICALLY LOW or more accurately IMPRACTICABLE that no person on earth could get a car to accelerate so slowly......
BUT with practice you can achieve a consistantly slow accerleration combined with a slower overall speed of say 60-65 and arrive at your destination 10 minutes later, BUT one 1000lb gorrilla lighter (in terms of frustration) and with a few extra bucks in your pocket.....i was employing these techniques with the '04 sebring i replaced with an '08 LS 2.2L and will continue to employ them.....i find it more amusing to look for the "ROAD RAGE" incidents in the making as the WORLD FLIES by here in the DFW area.....i swear every single driver here is illiterate because the posted limits seem to read 80+/WOT, whatever is greater.....
the RATE OF ACCELERATION was calculated so DRASTICALLY LOW or more accurately IMPRACTICABLE that no person on earth could get a car to accelerate so slowly......
BUT with practice you can achieve a consistantly slow accerleration combined with a slower overall speed of say 60-65 and arrive at your destination 10 minutes later, BUT one 1000lb gorrilla lighter (in terms of frustration) and with a few extra bucks in your pocket.....i was employing these techniques with the '04 sebring i replaced with an '08 LS 2.2L and will continue to employ them.....i find it more amusing to look for the "ROAD RAGE" incidents in the making as the WORLD FLIES by here in the DFW area.....i swear every single driver here is illiterate because the posted limits seem to read 80+/WOT, whatever is greater.....
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Wow I'm sure glad people here don't generalize.
FYI- I'm 50+ and we would do what is now called drifting in the 60's & 70's. We called it dirt tracking. Heck we would even do it on motorcycles. I still have my 8mm movies of a group of us doing it. Video cameras were not invented yet. I ran radials in front and bias ply tires with a huge sway bar in the rear on my autocross VW and could hang it out big time.. It was a blast.
As far as street racing. Ya gotta go back to the 40's & 50's. Street racing is what started NHRA.And you're in B'field. Home of one of the oldest NHRA drag strip in the nation! Heck, I belonged to a club that even had a portable Xmas tree for our nightly events. Oh and we didn't just go straight line. So.Cal. Canyon races were well attended too!
Loud music is not a current thing either..Rolling Stones at max volume was cool in the 60's as well You must have lead a very sheltered life. There is really nothing new in the car culture, just new names and different cars.
Drifting, street racing and seeking MPG are totally unrelated...Can't we all just get a long
FYI- I'm 50+ and we would do what is now called drifting in the 60's & 70's. We called it dirt tracking. Heck we would even do it on motorcycles. I still have my 8mm movies of a group of us doing it. Video cameras were not invented yet.
I ran radials in front and bias ply tires with a huge sway bar in the rear on my autocross VW and could hang it out big time.. It was a blast.As far as street racing. Ya gotta go back to the 40's & 50's. Street racing is what started NHRA.And you're in B'field. Home of one of the oldest NHRA drag strip in the nation! Heck, I belonged to a club that even had a portable Xmas tree for our nightly events. Oh and we didn't just go straight line. So.Cal. Canyon races were well attended too!
Loud music is not a current thing either..Rolling Stones at max volume was cool in the 60's as well
You must have lead a very sheltered life. There is really nothing new in the car culture, just new names and different cars.Drifting, street racing and seeking MPG are totally unrelated...Can't we all just get a long
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What I did was talk about a particular group of people. Not general at all. Actually very specific.
Do people make up there mind much before reading posts?
I also didn't say any of the things were new. I just commented on the fact that hypermiling sites tell you to weave in and out of traffic to keep from having to slow down or stop, and that these are the same things that these 'mostly kids' do.
And while I have lived in Bakersfield for a few years, I am from the Georgia. You know, rednecks and all that. I understand racing heritage. Owned quite a few hot rods in my day. Even raced them and drove them fast. But was still always courteous when in traffic. That is what is missing today.
And although my musical tastes have mostly always been country, I know about our loud music back in the day as well. Played in rock bands before I could find anyone my age to play country with me. And you know as well as I do that we didn't rattle our cars apart back then because the music was so loud. There is loud music, and then there is just a bunch or rattle noise as you mostly find today.
I guess if you take both of my posts together you understand more what I am saying. Quoting just the one makes it easy to misinterpret it and pick it apart.
And Yes, we can all get along. I get along with everyone. I thought we were just having a discussion here.
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NOW YOU HAVE MY FULL ATTENTION.....
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Not trying to argue and not get a long... Just poking at some of the generalizations about drifters, etc. A little levity.
That's why I add the smiley faces etc.
The posts were just getting to serious.By the way, Coasting & weaving in and out of lanes can get you a ticket here in California. They term coasting as not having full control of the car and weaving means you are running faster then the flow of traffic..
