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Jay23 12-14-2018 12:09 PM

Can't start. Changed the battery - some clicking and whistle - what could be?
 
Came home. Shut off the engine - after 10 minutes wanted to drive to a store and it couldn't start.
Bought a new battery, used jump starter - nothing. Replaced relay - nothing - just some clicking and noise(like a whistle) on the trunk and under the hood. And some clicking under the hood.
Now will try to remove the starter and inspect it. How to check it - just put 12V and see what going to happen? I'm afraid something serious(like valves) - but drove home without any problems...
Some advice?
What can I check?
Will clean contacts next to fuses box - but it shouldn't clicking and make some noise if the contacts are bad - right?

Oldblue 12-14-2018 01:15 PM

Which lug did you connect to to jump start it! That rear lug on the left side of the fuse box under the hood is for the EPS , so inspect the fuse panel and relays

Jay23 12-14-2018 02:43 PM

what do u mean - could u explain, please? I connected right to the main battery terminals. But now I took out the starter, tried to connect 12V and it doesn't spin.

Oldblue 12-14-2018 02:52 PM

Take it to your local parts palace, they can bench test it.

sometimes people use the wrong lug to put the jumper cables


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.che...4ec4e9e49.jpeg
Under here at the fuse box
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.che...c50bf2346.jpeg
Not this rear lug by the master cylinder
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.che...a762df427.jpeg
Just pop the cover and check to ensure these two cables are secure

Jay23 12-14-2018 02:59 PM

Just checked the starter - looks like solenoidmakes that whistle noise - what it could be?
May I disassemble it and see some broken part inside - like ball bearing or something? Is it possible to replace just the solenoid?

Before I cleaned all those connectors that u showed on the pictures. But it's obviously starter...

Oldblue 12-14-2018 03:13 PM

Then simply buy a new or rebuilt starter, if you order from RockAuto, we have a discount code.

donbrew 12-14-2018 03:25 PM

Applying 12V to the starter does not prove anything. That big red wire is 12V already. Applying 12V to the small terminal on the solenoid should make a click and turn the motor. If it does not you may replace the starter-solenoid assembly.

If it is not obvious you can just place a jumper between the 2 posts. The B+ is hot at all times (be careful). The S is a 12V signal from the computer to activate the solenoid.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.che...3f1f77270f.jpg

Jay23 12-14-2018 04:03 PM

Just finished to disassemble - inside was a lot of grease and part of ring that holds brushes on the starter's back lid was brocken and coper wires was deattached. Thath's the main reason.
How does the grease(oil+dust?) went inside the starter???
Could I bought somewhere just the back lid with brushes? Or better to buy whole used starter(anyway - wil not know the condition inside).
http://i.piccy.info/i9/3b85b8a6e9535...01/111_800.jpg
http://i.piccy.info/a3/2018-12-14-22...01x609-r/i.gif

Is the starter the same in all the models(mean the years)?

Oldblue 12-14-2018 04:15 PM

Tell your parts counter guy, what year and engine size you have.
dont mess around with a used possibly just as bad as this, they are not that expensive
under $150.00

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...ter+motor,4152

donbrew 12-14-2018 04:21 PM

On eBay they start new at $31.00 free shipping. Used start at $28.00.

The oil/grease is probably from a leaking oil pressure switch or a long list of slpoppy oil changes.

Jay23 12-14-2018 04:23 PM

fly wheel looks dry, can't figure out from where too much grease inside...

So does it mean each year and even engine have their own starter model??? I thought it should be the same - isn't it?

Jay23 12-14-2018 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by donbrew (Post 857316)
The oil/grease is probably from a leaking oil pressure switch or a long list of slpoppy oil changes.

does it mean that I should replace the oil pressure switch? Cz all the engine underneath is dirty with oil. How does it look and where is it located? Is it expensive?


donbrew 12-14-2018 04:29 PM

They probably are the same. Why not get a new/rebuilt one from a store that can tell? On eBay you only save $3 used.

donbrew 12-14-2018 04:31 PM

If it is leaking change it about $10, just above the starter.

Jay23 12-14-2018 04:37 PM

on eBay the new starter is $31, on a junk yard next to me is $27 but not the same year - nobody knows will it fit or won't. Brushes on eBay is $15.

Refurbished starter next to me is $60 smth.

Probably will take off on the junk yard. I hope it should be the same.

firemangeorge 12-14-2018 04:39 PM

Jay23 quote: "I'm a heavy duty diesel truck tech. Have some experience, also fixing my motorcycles since 10 y.o."

Really not getting all these basic mechanical questions from a guy whose supposed to be mechanic.

Jay23 12-14-2018 04:49 PM

It means I used 2 stroke motocross motorcycles with no starters. Was working with trucks as an entry level tech. I didn't tell I'm extra class mechanic - right?

Oldblue 12-14-2018 04:51 PM

OK, yes the starters will fit from year to year, however there might be slight differences.
try the $27.00 one , if that works, great! Money saved.

about the oil sending unit

https://www.chevyhhr.net/forums/how-...ng-unit-57962/

donbrew 12-14-2018 05:12 PM

Used motors are used. Your old one was used. See anything in common?
Changing brushes went out in 1960, this is the 21st century.

Jay23 12-14-2018 05:41 PM

the reason - I cleaned whole starter and at the end started to clean that lid with brushes - to replace new brushes now for me - just 1 minute(just 2 small bolts).
I believe almost all those refurbished starters have replaced brushes. But probably nobody will sell just the brushes.

Oldblue 12-14-2018 06:47 PM

No, I’ve not seen replacement brushes in years.But doggone it EBay has tgem

https://www.ebay.com/b/Starter-Parts...700/bn_1350234

donbrew 12-14-2018 06:48 PM

Have fun.

hurst2001 12-14-2018 06:54 PM

Anything with electric I would replace new if your holding on the car for awhile because why would you want to do the job twice ? Specially alternator and batteries and be done with it ..

sleeper 12-14-2018 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by hurst2001 (Post 857339)
anything with electric i would replace new if your holding on the car for awhile because why would you want to do the job twice ? Specially alternator and batteries and be done with it ..

x 2 !!

Jay23 12-16-2018 06:09 PM

replaced the starter yesterday. Pull it out from 2011 HHR. There are a little different connectors, but I did it. So better to use from 2007 if u can find it.

Oldblue 12-16-2018 06:16 PM

Is it fixed , the starter is hooked up and working?

Jay23 12-16-2018 06:39 PM

sure, works awesome

Oldblue 12-16-2018 07:07 PM

Great thank you for the follow up.


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