Oil Filters K&N and Mobil One
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Originally Posted by captain howdy
Yup, the oil filter is cast into the block with a removable cover and replaceable element. The factory element is paper I believe.
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Originally Posted by Snoopy
Maybe, I missed something here.....
Why would you want an oil filter other than OEM?
If the reason is economics, it really does not make sense. The GM dealer's here in AZ. sell them for just under $10.00. I've seen them in secondary markets for just over $8.00.
"Aftermarket" filters sell for about the same or more, depending on the brand. And you have no assurance of correct filtration other than the filter distributors CLAIMS......I mean how can they really test a filter for a vehicle that is only 1 year old (rhetorical).
Oh, and MOST filters are produced by the same companies, in different packaging....with slight ineffectual changes....so says Consumers Reports.
Why would you want an oil filter other than OEM?
If the reason is economics, it really does not make sense. The GM dealer's here in AZ. sell them for just under $10.00. I've seen them in secondary markets for just over $8.00.
"Aftermarket" filters sell for about the same or more, depending on the brand. And you have no assurance of correct filtration other than the filter distributors CLAIMS......I mean how can they really test a filter for a vehicle that is only 1 year old (rhetorical).
Oh, and MOST filters are produced by the same companies, in different packaging....with slight ineffectual changes....so says Consumers Reports.
maybe the filter are repaged by the same mfg... not sure about that. K&N... mobil and some other mfgs might disagree about the diffeance in the various filters. there has to be some differnce between a 2$ and 10$ filter.
because i plan on using the DICs recommended oil change recommendations... and because I will be using synoil... I want a filter that equal to the lubricant..
my experiance with orginal mfg equip is that your paying for walking into the dealership. what insureance is there in buying another brand... reputation... STP... K&N... A/CDelco... and others have spent years built business base on the quality of their products. all filters are not equal. you just ahave to read the specs... read and listen... then deside what meets your needs. people looking for performance may look at it quit differentantly that a soccer mom or a fleet operator. Look a Summit Racing Cat... they advertise products under the Summit name for fraction of the cost for an apparently equal product. They may appear to be equal but my experiance says that even though there Summit products are very good and good bargins... they aren't up to quite the same standards as the name brand products. YOU GETS WHAT YOU PAYS FOR.
By the way I only use ACDelco on out Malibu... but it has lived an easy life... 1970 with 37000 miles. my 55 only gets the high price spread... the HHr... I will use the best parts at the most reasonable price. That's why I am trying to see if there is a MOBIL1 filter available... I use their lubricants... would perfer to use their filters. I am using a K&N air filter for many of the reasons mentioned above...
If original equipment were the best... there would be no aftermarket performance industry.
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Redflyr....
You missed the point.......I was speaking ONLY about the oil filters. I KNOW that several you mentioned, do not manufacturer their own filters and they charge more. Why buy, and pay more for their filter, when you are buying a GM filter. Or in some instances, WIX or Fram. Sometimes suppliers price their product extremely high, just because their name and highly regarded reputation is attached to the product (ala GM, Sharper Image, etc) but, that does not mean that the product is any better than a competitor. It just means we consumers have a "comfort" level that we will pay for.
My Mobile 1 container specifically states that no special oil filter is necessary. But, because Mobile 1 produces a GREAT synethic oil does not mean they sell a GREAT oil filter. For example, what is their filteration rate, particle removal rate, flow rate VERSUS a GM filter. MORE or LESS...bet you can't answer that !!! And, if you can, then you obviously have done your research. The same applies to K & N....who build GREAT air filters, but that doesn't mean their oil filters comply with the necessary requirments. I'm not taking issue with either of these manufacturers. I'm just using them as an example.
And to use your analogy regarding ccompany name and reputation.... I would think that GM (as a 300-400 billion dollar company)has more than their name and reputation at risk if they provide an oil filter that does not perform accurately or properly. The entire engine, a costly recall, and loss of customer base.....which is much more than a warranty that replaces a filter for a filter.
Besides, if a vehicle is still in warranty, why give GM and/or the dealer another reason for DEBATE not to pay for the repair. After warranty...do what you wish...you will pay for the repair, anyhow.
Obviously, I still fail to see the logic.....maybe because, at one time, I was envolved, in a little way, with GM's warranty remediation and witnessed "things" that were unbelieveable (from both sides).
You missed the point.......I was speaking ONLY about the oil filters. I KNOW that several you mentioned, do not manufacturer their own filters and they charge more. Why buy, and pay more for their filter, when you are buying a GM filter. Or in some instances, WIX or Fram. Sometimes suppliers price their product extremely high, just because their name and highly regarded reputation is attached to the product (ala GM, Sharper Image, etc) but, that does not mean that the product is any better than a competitor. It just means we consumers have a "comfort" level that we will pay for.
My Mobile 1 container specifically states that no special oil filter is necessary. But, because Mobile 1 produces a GREAT synethic oil does not mean they sell a GREAT oil filter. For example, what is their filteration rate, particle removal rate, flow rate VERSUS a GM filter. MORE or LESS...bet you can't answer that !!! And, if you can, then you obviously have done your research. The same applies to K & N....who build GREAT air filters, but that doesn't mean their oil filters comply with the necessary requirments. I'm not taking issue with either of these manufacturers. I'm just using them as an example.
And to use your analogy regarding ccompany name and reputation.... I would think that GM (as a 300-400 billion dollar company)has more than their name and reputation at risk if they provide an oil filter that does not perform accurately or properly. The entire engine, a costly recall, and loss of customer base.....which is much more than a warranty that replaces a filter for a filter.
Besides, if a vehicle is still in warranty, why give GM and/or the dealer another reason for DEBATE not to pay for the repair. After warranty...do what you wish...you will pay for the repair, anyhow.
Obviously, I still fail to see the logic.....maybe because, at one time, I was envolved, in a little way, with GM's warranty remediation and witnessed "things" that were unbelieveable (from both sides).
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Originally Posted by captain howdy
You realize that is useless and can't be used on the HHR right? 
We don't have a canister style filter so there is nowhere to put an oil filter cover.
We don't have a canister style filter so there is nowhere to put an oil filter cover. 
I don't profess to be an expert on the HHR and the only oil change so far was done at the dealer. Thanks to the others for the part numbers for other brands. It's just about time to change the oil again, so this information is very helpful. Thank you.
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SUMMARY OF INFORMATION YOU HAVE ALL SUPPLIED ON OIL FILTERS SO FAR...
OIL FILTERS
K&N… HP-7000
MOBIL1… S9018R AUTOZONE
FRAM… CH9018
STP… S9018R
NAPA-GOLD… FIL 7082
WIX… 57082
PUROATOR… L15436 OR PL15436
Sent an email to K&N... waiting for a reply
also noticed that MOBIL1 and STP numbers appear to be the same... which is posible... checking on that too.
RESPONCE TO SNOOPY's
1. I think as long as the part is SAE then the warranty should ok...
2. Warranty Concerns
THE TRUTH
Most vehicle owners are not aware they are protected by federal law: the Magnuson-Moss Warranty – Federal Trade Commission Improvement Act of 1975. Under the Magnuson-Moss Act, aftermarket equipment which improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer’s original warranty, unless the warranty clearly and conspicuously states that aftermarket equipment voids the warranty. Most states have warranty statutes, as well. Which provide further protections for vehicle owners...
below is a link to the other hhr site... again don't know if you can get to his link without being a member...
http://www.hhrclub.org/gforum.cgi?po...0warranty;#401
here is a link to K&Ns view on warranties
http://knfilters.com/warrantyletter.htm
3. truth in advertising... mfgs can not make claims about their products that are not true... unlike poloticians who can say anything.
4... I am gathering specs for the various oil filters... it will take me a couple of more days to finish this part... but it appears that not all oil filters are made the same... more latters.
this is off topic... K&N and other airfilters that are lifetime filters that can be cleaned and recharged... problem not discussed on the K&N site. the individual said that over recharging this filter may cause the MAS to be damage voiding the warranty on that componet... if you want to discuss this I will take it out of this thread.
I know about warranties... I had a 1972 VEGA wagon
EDUCATION IS THE BEST WEPON...
OIL FILTERS
K&N… HP-7000
MOBIL1… S9018R AUTOZONE
FRAM… CH9018
STP… S9018R
NAPA-GOLD… FIL 7082
WIX… 57082
PUROATOR… L15436 OR PL15436
Sent an email to K&N... waiting for a reply
also noticed that MOBIL1 and STP numbers appear to be the same... which is posible... checking on that too.
RESPONCE TO SNOOPY's
1. I think as long as the part is SAE then the warranty should ok...
2. Warranty Concerns
THE TRUTH
Most vehicle owners are not aware they are protected by federal law: the Magnuson-Moss Warranty – Federal Trade Commission Improvement Act of 1975. Under the Magnuson-Moss Act, aftermarket equipment which improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer’s original warranty, unless the warranty clearly and conspicuously states that aftermarket equipment voids the warranty. Most states have warranty statutes, as well. Which provide further protections for vehicle owners...
below is a link to the other hhr site... again don't know if you can get to his link without being a member...
http://www.hhrclub.org/gforum.cgi?po...0warranty;#401
here is a link to K&Ns view on warranties
http://knfilters.com/warrantyletter.htm
3. truth in advertising... mfgs can not make claims about their products that are not true... unlike poloticians who can say anything.
4... I am gathering specs for the various oil filters... it will take me a couple of more days to finish this part... but it appears that not all oil filters are made the same... more latters.
this is off topic... K&N and other airfilters that are lifetime filters that can be cleaned and recharged... problem not discussed on the K&N site. the individual said that over recharging this filter may cause the MAS to be damage voiding the warranty on that componet... if you want to discuss this I will take it out of this thread.
I know about warranties... I had a 1972 VEGA wagon
EDUCATION IS THE BEST WEPON...
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Redflyr....thanks for you response and posting (forums are for discussion of topics).
I see one of my goals in debating this, is working......to get legitimate information supported by documentation (testimonials don't count).
But, in my previous posting, I inserted the word DEBATE regarding GM dealer denial with purpose. I knew that the M-M Act would be mentioned as support, thus the word "debate".
The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is a worthy credential to provide. Do not think however, that using this act in a complaint with a dealer, will get you immediate results. The dealer and the manufacturer will argue and can "jack you around" for weeks, or months, unless you hire an attorney. Yeah, THEY must prove the failure was due to the aftermarket part. But during that process, what kind of time elapses for that to evolve. You can contact various supporting groups also, but that still takes time. And, based on what I have witnessed on this and other forums, vehicle owners "cry" if they leave a vehicle in the dealer overnight (not the same, but for a good illustration of time element, review the posts regarding vehicle buy-backs).
I wrote the above with experience in 3 different cases envolving the M-M Act. The consumers finally won, but it DID take 1 week to several weeks to settle the claims.
And, yes the Consumer Protection Act provides some protection in regard to advertising. But, in most cases, you need to review the advertisement very carefully to understand what they are professing. Some say their product is better than "normal" or "traditional" filters (in this case). What really is a traditional filter....the OEM, the aftermarket house brand, other aftermarket replacements? Do you see my point? Advertising, is a very carefully constructed liturature regarding the support of their product. Now if they said, "Our filter protects against 99.9% of the particles 1 micron and larger at a pressure of 2X OEM, where the OEM filter protects against 95% of the particles 3 micron and larger at an oil pressure of 55 PSI".....you now have some value for a comparison.
Now understand, I am not against using aftermarket parts...especially filters and such. But, I don't understand people rushing to buy a particular item, because they THINK IT IS BETTER. Or it has a name that they might recognize from another type of product. Our HHR is a good example....Most of the members believe the car is a great vehicle, but that does not mean that GM provides or produces, all great vehicles (I would like to think so, BUT).
Actually, I am waiting for your research results. Because it can provide valuable info to the members of this forum.
Several months back, someone on this forum (Harpozep ?) requested I write some inside stories about GM. I am considering writing about a situation with the M-M Act, regarding an oil filter, and posting it to the Dungeon.
I see one of my goals in debating this, is working......to get legitimate information supported by documentation (testimonials don't count).
But, in my previous posting, I inserted the word DEBATE regarding GM dealer denial with purpose. I knew that the M-M Act would be mentioned as support, thus the word "debate".
The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is a worthy credential to provide. Do not think however, that using this act in a complaint with a dealer, will get you immediate results. The dealer and the manufacturer will argue and can "jack you around" for weeks, or months, unless you hire an attorney. Yeah, THEY must prove the failure was due to the aftermarket part. But during that process, what kind of time elapses for that to evolve. You can contact various supporting groups also, but that still takes time. And, based on what I have witnessed on this and other forums, vehicle owners "cry" if they leave a vehicle in the dealer overnight (not the same, but for a good illustration of time element, review the posts regarding vehicle buy-backs).
I wrote the above with experience in 3 different cases envolving the M-M Act. The consumers finally won, but it DID take 1 week to several weeks to settle the claims.
And, yes the Consumer Protection Act provides some protection in regard to advertising. But, in most cases, you need to review the advertisement very carefully to understand what they are professing. Some say their product is better than "normal" or "traditional" filters (in this case). What really is a traditional filter....the OEM, the aftermarket house brand, other aftermarket replacements? Do you see my point? Advertising, is a very carefully constructed liturature regarding the support of their product. Now if they said, "Our filter protects against 99.9% of the particles 1 micron and larger at a pressure of 2X OEM, where the OEM filter protects against 95% of the particles 3 micron and larger at an oil pressure of 55 PSI".....you now have some value for a comparison.
Now understand, I am not against using aftermarket parts...especially filters and such. But, I don't understand people rushing to buy a particular item, because they THINK IT IS BETTER. Or it has a name that they might recognize from another type of product. Our HHR is a good example....Most of the members believe the car is a great vehicle, but that does not mean that GM provides or produces, all great vehicles (I would like to think so, BUT).
Actually, I am waiting for your research results. Because it can provide valuable info to the members of this forum.
Several months back, someone on this forum (Harpozep ?) requested I write some inside stories about GM. I am considering writing about a situation with the M-M Act, regarding an oil filter, and posting it to the Dungeon.
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REDFLYR, I emailed Mobile1 and asked if they will be making a cartridge (Extended Performance) oil filter for the HHR. They said No, at this time, but if there is allot of interest in one, they might start making one.
Here's the contact where people can write. http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...ontact_Us.aspx
I've used Mobil 1 filters for a couple of years, and the new Extended Performance oil filter has a 99.2% multi-pass efficiency, because of the Synthetic Fiber Blend Filter Element. It's the Best oil filter on the market. K&N oil filters are made by the same company, but on the K&N website, it doesn't mention their oil filters having Synthetic fibers in the element, so it doesn't trap the smaller particles. I use Synthetic oil in all my rigs, and Mobil 1 Extended Performance oil filters is the only way to go.
Here's the contact where people can write. http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...ontact_Us.aspx
I've used Mobil 1 filters for a couple of years, and the new Extended Performance oil filter has a 99.2% multi-pass efficiency, because of the Synthetic Fiber Blend Filter Element. It's the Best oil filter on the market. K&N oil filters are made by the same company, but on the K&N website, it doesn't mention their oil filters having Synthetic fibers in the element, so it doesn't trap the smaller particles. I use Synthetic oil in all my rigs, and Mobil 1 Extended Performance oil filters is the only way to go.
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Originally Posted by richter01
REDFLYR, I emailed Mobile1 and asked if they will be making a cartridge (Extended Performance) oil filter for the HHR. They said No, at this time
FRAM EXTRA GUARD... 22.75/12.99 might be available at Schucks... glass and cellulose...
FRAM standard 9.89
STP 7.19
Motorcraft not available
ACDelco... w/cap pf2259g
ACDelco... w/o cap pf456g
now I am looking for Bosch
