Not the DI V6 that Caddy is using. We are not talking about the ole 2.8 v6's of yesteryear.....

 

I owned a 95 Camaro v6 before I bought my 98 Z28... that V6 wasn't bad at all, power-wise. It had 200 HP, and was 3.8L. If I stood on the gas from a stop sign, it would burn rubber. So 260 HP for a 2.0L Turbo, other than looking smallish in the engine bay sounds like it wouldn't be too bad. So wouldn't one expect it to get reasonably good mileage compared to a V6?

the 28 mpg the Z28 Camaro gets is right, but only on the freeway in 6th gear going about 50-60 mph. Otherwise, around town I get only 14-15 mpg. Ouch.

 

My wife had a V6 Camaro, and it would move out pretty well (50 to 90 mph passing speed) and it still delivered well over 20 mpg average I am certain it would do an easy 135 mph. I think the 4 would just not have enough low speed (1000 to 2000 rpm) torque to meet the typical Camaro driver's expectations though.

 

well...i doubt the 2.0 liter turbo 4 will be exactly the same horsepower and torque as it is in the hhr ss. Kinda doubt it will be the same as the new cobalt ss..its a camaro, a step up from a cobalt , so it will most likely be much more stronger or even a larger displacement 4 cylinder with twin turbo! The point is, fuel economy ratings will be raised and that will force the auto industry to get creative in meeting those goals. As a side note, it be cool if they dropped this motor in the new chevy malibu. I have a sneaky feeling that GM is going to be doing that sometime this year, which would be good for the hhr. If they were to put the 2.0 liter turbo in the malibu, they would probably offer a 5 or 6 speed automatic....and the same for the hhr.

 

I had a 2000 Camaro (convertible!) with the 3800 V6, good strong reliable engine, only 200HP but that was more than the old TBI 305 V8's from 3rd gens. The LT1/LS1 was alot nicer but no way I could do anything under the hood with them packed in there under the dash. Also had a 4th gen Trans Am at one point with the LT1, best thing I ever did was buy the extended warranty with it because it paid for iteslf several times over.

Here's hoping the engine is more accessible in the 5th Gen... In a few years I hope to be able to afford one used

but yeah any of the V6's before the 3800 sucked.

 

the 3.8L V6 Camaro's torque rating was 225 lb. ft... significantly higher than the 194 (5 spd) or 186 (auto) lb. ft. on the HHR SS. So I would think GM would need to improve bottom end torque if they were to drop in the 2.0L T/C in the new Camaro.

 

Isn't the 5speed 260/260? (sorry don't remember the auto's). But agree, the bottom end is where it will need it.

 

whoops I stand corrected.

I lamely didn't understand this text from the HHR SS FAQ sticky thread:

Horsepower (hp / kW @ rpm): 260 / 194 @ 5300* (manual trans)
250 / 186 @ 5300* (automatic trans)

so i took that as saying 194 lb ft. of torque, not noticing the "kW"...


And I didn't see the text I was looking for which was right below... durrrr...

Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm): 260 / 351 @ 2500-5250*

I'm due for a eye exam next month, too bad I didn't have one already!
So with 260 lb ft of torque with the 2.0L T/C, that seems like plenty of torque for the new Camaro, since my '95 had 225 lb ft.

 

I like turbo cars, I had a Saab 900 T16 for 9 years, but the Camaro is a pretty big vehicle to be moving with so small an engine, and the turbos get good fuel economy if they're running off boost, but in a vehicle where they're working hard, I doubt real world fuel economy would be any better than a bigger engine. My Camaro averages about 26mpg, cruising in 6th gear is only around 1600rpm, a 4 pot would have to be geared significantly shorter to keep it in the range where there's sufficient boost available for response.

 

I'm not sure how much I can post. Don't look for the Turbo 4 unless things get really really bad. Won't happen the first year. The base 6 that I know of was dropped which leaves a pretty darn big six in it's place.

For the first year you will see 2 engines, a 6 & an 8. The first ones off the line will be 8's. The 6's will blow away Mustang GT's.