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dlwilson54 08-23-2010 01:20 PM

2006 HHR starting problem
 
My check engine light came on at 135,000. Scan showed code P0171, lean condition. Replaced gas cap,front O2 sensor, reset computer, after 60-80 miles light comes back on. Since light first came on engine has been hard to start. Always cranks on second or third try. Mileage also dropped to 19-20mpg. Is mass air flow next?

ChevyMgr 08-23-2010 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by dlwilson54 (Post 487806)
Is mass air flow next?

No, unless you want to keep throwing money at this problem. Could be dirty/clogged fuel injectors, an injector balance test would tell you for sure. Could be ECM programming. I would get the injectors flushed first.

Greybeard999 08-23-2010 01:30 PM

Injectors may be partially clogged would be my thinking..... especially with that high a mileage.

dlwilson54 08-23-2010 03:58 PM

Will it run ok once started and on the highway with dirty/clogged injectors?

Lucky 08-24-2010 12:46 AM

Just had this problem with my fathers 07 hhr. it was a bad fuel pressure regulator (part of the fuel pump) not holding fuel rail presure with the engine off. If the fuel pressure bleeds off to 0 with the engine off the next time you try to start the car it will have a realy long crank time. you can check this with a fuel pressure gauge. sometimes these fail and cause problems when running other times it just give you starting problems. On my fathers car it also set a lean code be cause the running fuel pressure was low. The car still ran ok down the road but he did have a big inprovment it drivabilty after the full pump was replaced. hope this helps good luck.

dlwilson54 08-24-2010 08:51 AM

When the switch is turned on and the fuel pump runs and cuts off, would that pressure the injector rails?

dlwilson54 08-24-2010 12:50 PM

Just checked the fuel rail pressure, 35 to 40 psi, but when the engine is turned off, pressure drops to zero immediately.

Lucky 08-25-2010 12:33 AM


Originally Posted by dlwilson54 (Post 488120)
Just checked the fuel rail pressure, 35 to 40 psi, but when the engine is turned off, pressure drops to zero immediately.

yep thats the same problem, you need to replace the fuel pump in the tank. if you turn the key on and off quickly about three time then start the car it may start better in the mean time until you replace the fuel pump. turning it on and off a few times charges the fuel rail. To anser the question from your post before the power used by starting the engine robs some power to the fuel pump making it crank a long time the engine will start when the rail pressure finaly comes up.:thumb:

sleeper 08-25-2010 10:46 AM

How about, turn key on & let pump, pump up.. then start vehicle.

dlwilson54 08-25-2010 12:52 PM

With the gauge on the rail, when you turn the key on the first time, no pressure. Second time pressure goes up to 38psi until the pump cuts off and the pressure drops to zero, third time pressure comes up and engine starts. If you try to start while the pressure is up it cranks fine.

Lucky 08-25-2010 08:07 PM

you will still need to replace the fuel pump to fix the lean code.

meistromichael 12-05-2010 07:06 PM

Just had this exact same problem on my 07 LT w/105,xxx miles. Replaced the fuel pump myself with one out of a salvage with 38,xxx (I know, probably not the best move, but only cost me $40). Not a hard process if you're a little mechanically inclined and have a jack and some stands and basic tools (15 mm socket, flathead screwdriver, hammer). Only took me about 1 1/2 hrs.

Not the ideal solution, but will work.

Don06 12-05-2010 07:56 PM

At 135K, your fuel pump is likely on borrowed time. A leaking fuel injector could also cause the pressure drop and decreased mileage but it should show up as a rich condition. Isn't there also a relief valve on the injector rail to return to the tank?

If you're planning on running the car to 200K, you might want to change pump and injectors.

Lucky 12-05-2010 11:05 PM


Originally Posted by Don06 (Post 509260)
At 135K, your fuel pump is likely on borrowed time. A leaking fuel injector could also cause the pressure drop and decreased mileage but it should show up as a rich condition. Isn't there also a relief valve on the injector rail to return to the tank?

If you're planning on running the car to 200K, you might want to change pump and injectors.

The fuel psi regulator (relief valve) is built into the fuel pump assembly. The hhr uses a returnless fuel system. And yes if it had a leaky injector it would probabiliy have a rich code and cyl. misfire.

Don06 12-06-2010 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by Lucky (Post 509282)
The fuel psi regulator (relief valve) is built into the fuel pump assembly. The hhr uses a returnless fuel system. And yes if it had a leaky injector it would probabiliy have a rich code and cyl. misfire.

It was easy to change on the fuel rail. A little harder in the tank. Wish they would have access panels so you don't need to drop the tank.

Lucky 12-06-2010 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by Don06 (Post 509565)
It was easy to change on the fuel rail. A little harder in the tank. Wish they would have access panels so you don't need to drop the tank.

That would be great. but in the end its all about the cost.:roll:


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