"Smoke" Going In For Service Issues
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Joined: 01-27-2006
Posts: 320
From: Dublin, California
Hey CHB, I am sure you are going to post your results when you get smoke back, but I will be curious if they do anything for the AC Growl!. I recently took mine in for the "Growl" and the did nothing. The service manager even came out and said the noise was normal conditions.
I used all the key words from the TSB so that when they looked it up, it would likely flag it.
In anycase, the service was so bad that I decided to not ever go back there. But I am now going to find a new service dealership and hope to have better luck.
Keep us posted!
I used all the key words from the TSB so that when they looked it up, it would likely flag it.
In anycase, the service was so bad that I decided to not ever go back there. But I am now going to find a new service dealership and hope to have better luck.
Keep us posted!
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Joined: 07-15-2006
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Deb
Did the Dealership charge you for the Nitrogen and if they did how much was it. I never heard of the Dealership asking about the Nitrogen to be put in your tires I know of other places putting it in. Is this a new service that they are now going to do. just asking
Ruzy
Did the Dealership charge you for the Nitrogen and if they did how much was it. I never heard of the Dealership asking about the Nitrogen to be put in your tires I know of other places putting it in. Is this a new service that they are now going to do. just asking
Ruzy
Anyway this Dealer has Nitro in all cars, trucks, van, and SUV on the lot.
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Joined: 03-19-2007
Posts: 670
From: Port Huron, Michigan
Just a little more abaout nitrogen in tires........
Here are a few other benefits of using Nitrogen in tires:
[1] Nitrogen is denser than Oxygen: This means the larger molecules escape less easily from tires resulting in a more gradual loss of pressure over time. According to the Michelin Tire Manual, a tire that is inflated with Nitrogen loses its pressure 3 times slower than if it were inflated with air.
[2] Nitrogen is moisture free: Pure Nitrogen inflated tires experience less steel belt and rubber degradation. Nitrogen use also reduces valve and wheel corrosion.
[3] Nitrogen provides longer tire life: Nitrogen inflated tire run cooler and require less maintenance according to the Goodyear application bulletin.
[4] Nitrogen is non-flammable: Nitrogen technology has been used in aircraft, military and race car technology for over thirty years.
Does Joe Consumer ‘Get It’?
But can we expect ‘Joe Consumer’ to start paying for this new ‘air’ anytime soon? As always, the answer is “it depends.” If enough businesses and corporations get behind the idea and promote it steadily, uniformly and explain the numerous safety and cost savings, then eventually the message should make it through.
However, you do need to be realistic – it’s still considered by Joe Consumer to be ‘new’ and anything ‘new’ is usually avoided until it becomes familiar – it’s called the product adoption process.
It’s Still Weird Science
The other point to consider here is ‘selling Nitrogen’ is still science – and most people are not that comfortable with the whole science thing. And if you recall I mentioned that regular everyday air is 78% nitrogen anyway – so what would they be paying for?
Regular air is approximately 80% nitrogen anyway, are we to believe that an extra 20% makes all the difference… Ironically we now know that the answer is yes.
A Moral Dilemma
You and I both know that if using Nitrogen means your client’s tires last longer they will save money by not having to purchase as many tires. So Nitrogen use could mean less tire sales… And that’s the moral dilemma for you. Do you want to make a few dollars on tire inflation services that might ultimately reduce your tire sales or do you want to keep on doing business the way it is now?
Make Mine A Light Air
One thing’s for sure, with regular air and ‘diet air’ (or is that Air2 with half the carbs…) Nitrogen as a tire inflation option will slowly seep into the main stream (and yes the ‘seep’ pun was intentional).
Now take a deep breath… you just inhaled 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen and a few other lesser gases. Could you tell? Did it taste or smell different? That’s part of the challenge isn’t it. If regular customers are wary about the things they cannot see, what makes you think selling ‘new air’ is going to be any easier.
Here are a few other benefits of using Nitrogen in tires:
[1] Nitrogen is denser than Oxygen: This means the larger molecules escape less easily from tires resulting in a more gradual loss of pressure over time. According to the Michelin Tire Manual, a tire that is inflated with Nitrogen loses its pressure 3 times slower than if it were inflated with air.
[2] Nitrogen is moisture free: Pure Nitrogen inflated tires experience less steel belt and rubber degradation. Nitrogen use also reduces valve and wheel corrosion.
[3] Nitrogen provides longer tire life: Nitrogen inflated tire run cooler and require less maintenance according to the Goodyear application bulletin.
[4] Nitrogen is non-flammable: Nitrogen technology has been used in aircraft, military and race car technology for over thirty years.
Does Joe Consumer ‘Get It’?
But can we expect ‘Joe Consumer’ to start paying for this new ‘air’ anytime soon? As always, the answer is “it depends.” If enough businesses and corporations get behind the idea and promote it steadily, uniformly and explain the numerous safety and cost savings, then eventually the message should make it through.
However, you do need to be realistic – it’s still considered by Joe Consumer to be ‘new’ and anything ‘new’ is usually avoided until it becomes familiar – it’s called the product adoption process.
It’s Still Weird Science
The other point to consider here is ‘selling Nitrogen’ is still science – and most people are not that comfortable with the whole science thing. And if you recall I mentioned that regular everyday air is 78% nitrogen anyway – so what would they be paying for?
Regular air is approximately 80% nitrogen anyway, are we to believe that an extra 20% makes all the difference… Ironically we now know that the answer is yes.
A Moral Dilemma
You and I both know that if using Nitrogen means your client’s tires last longer they will save money by not having to purchase as many tires. So Nitrogen use could mean less tire sales… And that’s the moral dilemma for you. Do you want to make a few dollars on tire inflation services that might ultimately reduce your tire sales or do you want to keep on doing business the way it is now?
Make Mine A Light Air
One thing’s for sure, with regular air and ‘diet air’ (or is that Air2 with half the carbs…) Nitrogen as a tire inflation option will slowly seep into the main stream (and yes the ‘seep’ pun was intentional).
Now take a deep breath… you just inhaled 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen and a few other lesser gases. Could you tell? Did it taste or smell different? That’s part of the challenge isn’t it. If regular customers are wary about the things they cannot see, what makes you think selling ‘new air’ is going to be any easier.
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From: The Show-Me State
Putting "nitrogen" in the tires has got to be the biggest scam I've ever heard of--especially charging you $40 for it! It's an industry marketing gimmick.
The regular air going into your tires is made up of 80% nitrogen to begin with, any reputable shop that actually takes care of its equipment is going to have moisture traps on all the air lines, and fact is, the gas they pumped in there isn't going to be 100% nitrogen anyway! The difference in ride quality is probably just due to the fact that the tires were inflated to proper pressure.
Deb, they sold you bottled air for $40. Don't make the same mistake twice. You don't owe them any favors.
The regular air going into your tires is made up of 80% nitrogen to begin with, any reputable shop that actually takes care of its equipment is going to have moisture traps on all the air lines, and fact is, the gas they pumped in there isn't going to be 100% nitrogen anyway! The difference in ride quality is probably just due to the fact that the tires were inflated to proper pressure.
Deb, they sold you bottled air for $40. Don't make the same mistake twice. You don't owe them any favors.
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Joined: 03-21-2007
Posts: 144
From: Elk Plain, WA
You tell him M DC.
I don't think she made a mistake. It has been proven over and over that there are great benefits of using a lot of nitrogen. Why bash a good thing? Opinions are fine, but to tell someone they made mistake??? PSSSHHHTTT! Get over yourself, dude!
I don't think she made a mistake. It has been proven over and over that there are great benefits of using a lot of nitrogen. Why bash a good thing? Opinions are fine, but to tell someone they made mistake??? PSSSHHHTTT! Get over yourself, dude!
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Joined: 04-19-2006
Posts: 5,065
From: Arvada CO
Putting "nitrogen" in the tires has got to be the biggest scam I've ever heard of--especially charging you $40 for it! It's an industry marketing gimmick.
The regular air going into your tires is made up of 80% nitrogen to begin with, any reputable shop that actually takes care of its equipment is going to have moisture traps on all the air lines, and fact is, the gas they pumped in there isn't going to be 100% nitrogen anyway! The difference in ride quality is probably just due to the fact that the tires were inflated to proper pressure.
Deb, they sold you bottled air for $40. Don't make the same mistake twice. You don't owe them any favors.
The regular air going into your tires is made up of 80% nitrogen to begin with, any reputable shop that actually takes care of its equipment is going to have moisture traps on all the air lines, and fact is, the gas they pumped in there isn't going to be 100% nitrogen anyway! The difference in ride quality is probably just due to the fact that the tires were inflated to proper pressure.
Deb, they sold you bottled air for $40. Don't make the same mistake twice. You don't owe them any favors.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just for the record...I research everything I do on my HHR and don't just jump in on a whim. My boyfriend has been in the automotive industry for 35+ years and knows what is and isn't a scam/marketing gimmick.
I realize that I'm not going to have 100% Nitrogen in there...but it's pretty damn close at 97-98%. And...just for the record, the difference in ride quality was not due to improper inflation or pressure. I just checked them a couple days before I went to the dealer and made sure they were as recommended.
As I stated...we all have our opinions. Have you tried this yourself or ridden in someones vehicle who has or is this just an opinion you have formed based on what you have heard or read online? Bottom line...as long as I'm happy, it doesn't really matter what others think. Just expressing my opinion based on how it feels to me.
Besides, $40 doesn't buy what it used to and it sure beats spending money at the local tavern and having nothing to show for it besides a hangover. Been there and done that too. 
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Joined: 01-13-2006
Posts: 3,000
From: Superior, WI - Over the Hill Warranty Club member
You go Deb.. Glad all your issues are getting resolved.. I bought one of the readers so I can resolve "Small Issues" before I take it to the shop. I would rather replace a filter for 5 - 10 bucks than spend 150 for a shop to replace the same filter. I guess thats the Diesel Mechanic in me.