Any body used this yet?
 

Has anybody used this on their car? It sounds like a decent price for an extra 30WHP
I think this may be one of my next high performance mods.


Lowers air temperatures by up to 60 degrees!
We saw an increase of 31 horsepower on a 270 wheel horsepower Neon SRT-4 on the dyno with this kit!
You're NOT running nitrous into the motor, only onto the intercooler!
Straightforward installation!
If you have a turbocharged car, an easy way to increase your cars performance is to lower the incoming air temperature to the motor.
The purpose of your car's intercooler is to reduce the incoming air temperatures. However, when you're driving aggresively, or if it is hot outside, the incoming air temperature will begin to rise.
That's where the Nitrous Express N-Tercooler System can help. This kit takes compressed Nitrous and sprays it directly onto the intercooler. Because the nitrous is typically 0-30 degrees Fahrenheit, it can build up cakes of ice on the intercooler, which substantially lowers the incoming air temps.
This kit uses the newest design of bottle valve called the Lightning 45. This valve quickly and easily opens, allowing fast opening of the bottle.
The N-Tercooler System now uses a remote mount electronic control solenoid (unlike the older version that mounted the solenoid onto the spray bar which was visible from the outside of the car). This new version looks much cleaner.
This kit is very simple. It has a bottle, a line that runs under the car to the solenoid in the front, a simple on/off switch to arm the system, and a push button to spray the nitrous onto the intercooler. This kit is offered with a 10 lb or a 15 lb bottle. The only advantage to using the 15 lb bottle is more storage. Choose which bottle size you want in the pull down menu before purchasing
https://www.modernperformance.com/pr...m/hhrss_engine

Looks like a straight forward install !
As for the extra ponies, it's trial and error.

Maybe I missed something. When using Nitrous which is an oxidizer, it helps in the burning process, you have to add more fuel or else your going to have a lean burn condition and do damage to the engine (a.k.a melt pistons).
Also spark timing has to be adjusted for Nitrous.

ummm... yup .... says it all right in the post
..."You're NOT running nitrous into the motor, only onto the intercooler! "...
..."If you have a turbocharged car, an easy way to increase your cars performance is to lower the incoming air temperature to the motor.
The purpose of your car's intercooler is to reduce the incoming air temperatures. However, when you're driving aggresively, or if it is hot outside, the incoming air temperature will begin to rise.
That's where the Nitrous Express N-Tercooler System can help.This kit takes compressed Nitrous and sprays it directly onto(not into) the intercooler. Because the nitrous is typically 0-30 degrees Fahrenheit, it can build up cakes of ice on the intercooler, which substantially lowers the incoming air temps.

Why not use liquid co2. Its a lot cheeper. You can get it at any welding supply.

is co2 just as cold as the nitrous? and could you set it up the same way?
you got my attention, can you fill up the nitrous bottle with co2?
I know nitrous is about $90 bucks to fill a 10lb bottle, what the cost for co2?

Per my RPD meter, my intake temps are generally no more than 5 degrees higher than the ambient outside temp.
Not seeing that this system would make that much difference on the HHR SS as far as cooling it enough for a HP gain. If dropping the temperature makes that much difference, then I ought to have about 30 more hp in the dead of winter. Don't think so.(again per my RPD torque/hp readings.)

Now if the intake temps were way up there, then maybe this system would help. The GM intercooler design seems to work pretty good on it's own. This system may work for other turbo cars with intake cooling issues. Just don't think it would do much for daily driver SS.

That is why I'm asking for peoples opinion, What you say and what they claim is very suspect/.
I was hoping that some one has done this before? Now I have seen at the dragstrip were they have added ice cubes somehow to cool down the intercooler why? does it really make a difference? I see your point Firemangeorge too!

Years ago.....in the "muscle car" era I quarter miled a 427 Chevy. One of the tricks we used then was ice application to the fuel lines....even migrated to the use of dry ice because it lasted longer and was colder (wrapped the fuel lines in ice wrapped in rags....primitive but somewhat effective). Had some positive effect but I can't tell you how much....I just do not remember.

Now I understand you are speaking of "cooling" the air flow, but again if IIRC, it had some effect to the fuel as well.

But let me offer for discussion.......George mentions he recognizes a 5 degree difference between the ambient and the intake air. What if the ambient is 95, and you are able to chill the air to 65. Isn't that only a 3 hp gain???? My way of thinking, if you use the equipment providers web information.....a 30 hp gain would necessitate an intake air temp drop of 300 degrees (1 hp for every 10 degrees). Do I have that correct???

You may wish to read this. Pay particular attention to the last couple of paragraphs, which essentially sums up the equation.

http://www.buildingspeed.org/blog/20...nd-horsepower/

I agree with some of the questions above, but have another thought with regard to the comparison of having 30hp in the dead of winter.

I know mine DOES feel better in winter, especially on the low end, but I don't know if it's 30hp worth...

This kit is not designed for continuous usage. Your engine parameters are going to be based around the ambient air temps while you're driving around. With this kit, I CAN see getting a substantial "butt-dyno" increase in power short term (one or two acceleration runs), but if you continued to use it, wouldn't the "learn-down" counter-act it?

This is a stock IAT Spark advance correction table.

https://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/fil...ming_table.jpg

That being said the IAT temp does have some influence but not 30 HP worth. I use HPTuners and that tables is zeroed out.

As mentioned the stock learn down feature would negate any increase over time if there was any to be had.

And in the same, after the learn-down, the thing would be a dog the first few times you ran through the gears without it.

If you're not stock and have the learn-down disabled (or reduced...not sure how that works) I'm sure you would get something out of that kit, but short of putting it on a dyno and determining what it does on the SS specifically, I think it would be really hard to put a specific number to.

So what you and Kersh are saying is I used it for,say to race some one say like 3 or 4 times a month, it will probably work with no learn down? but if I like say I use it continuously then the learn down will more or less negate it nonworkable.
Also from what I understand there are always going to be different conditions and the horse power is always going to be different depending on certain conditions. And the actual horse power increase may be so little at times, it may not be even worth it?
But I have had it tuned so did he delete the learn down? most likely? I can call him and check.
PS according to Kersh's web link of only 1.9 it would only increase the horse power by only about 6hp, yuck :(

Sounds like snake oil to me ! Expensive snake oil!

Yes in a way it is, this does work but it really is meant for pro drag strip cars with 2500 to 8,000 HP
To them if they can get a extra 15-30 hp it can make a difference to win instead of a loss.
It really isn't meant for daily driver cars with a few mods on them, when your dealing in such small percentages it doesn't equate that much to a car that has 3-400 HP, and they know that, so in that sense yes their snake oil salesmen. :(