EasyRay

Does anyone know where the EDR or Event Data Recorder is located on the HHR? Is it an independent unit or is it part of the regular computer system? My enquiring mind would like to know.

trey1966

Though I do not know the location of the EDR on the HHR, I know on a previous Saturn I owned that removing it causes the air bag lights to come on. The car will run fine, but there is no telling what else could go wrong. I called the dealer to ask about the HHR and was told not to remove it as it will cause all kinds of problems. They were less than specific on what will go wrong and even less helpful when I asked where it was.
I do not like the idea of a recording device in the car, but there is not a lot you can do if you want it out seeing it is tied into the safety systems. It's just unfortunate that though it is there for safety reasons to help make safer cars, it will really only be used against you if the insurance company gets a hold of it after an accident when you could be at fault.
You might try finding someone at a dealer that can disable it, but good luck on that.

oldschoolfreak

all the edr tells you is
1 which direction you were traveling
2 what speed you were traveling at on impact
3 if brakes were applied
4 if airbags deployed
5 if there were any malfunctioning items prior to impact like brakes engine etc..

so why would you wanna disable it??

trey1966

Well as your insurance company, we feel that since you were traveling 7 miles of the posted speed limit when the accident occurred, we are not going to cover your accident. Since you apparently didn't press the brakes till a split second before the accident, you were not paying close enough attention, and that means we won’t cover you.
There are plenty of people out there that can tell you that the insurance company will crucify you because they would not rather pay out. They don’t make money by writing a bunch of checks.

http://www.gm.com/company/gmability/...ers/index.html

courthousedeb

HERE is a page that tells a great deal about the GM EDR. Oops...same link.

This is what it says at the very beginning of the article.

Event Data Recorders (EDRs) are functions within one or more vehicle electronic modules that capture vehicle and restraint information in the event of a crash in which air bags may or may not deploy. In General Motors vehicles, the EDR function is typically housed in a control module, such as the sensing and diagnostic module, the engine control module or the stability control or 4-wheel steering modules. These modules are located in various places in the vehicle, such as under a front seat, in the center console or under the dash.

trey1966

Einstein told of the great possibilities of clean energy when it came to splitting the atom, yet the "Manhattan" project was created by the military for bombs.

"I don't know how man will fight World War III, but I do know how they will fight World War IV; with sticks and stones." – Albert Einstein

Point is this, information can be used for both good and evil. GM wants safer cars and more customers, this EDR will help them do that. The insurance company will use this same information to screw you.

Harpozep

That's right. Insurance companies are FOR PROFIT entities. They are not there to pay out if they can get out of it.

Think of them as Casinos. A Casino has the right to throw you out if you are winning. They can say whatever they need to to get you to leave.
Would an insurance adjuster actualy be doing their duty if they did not try to find a way to pay you less? They have the investor class to support and quarterly returns to post. Just a fact of life.

I guess EDRs are just part of our new realities. I'm sure they will eventually hold info for longer times and gather much more info as well. It is human nature to push the limits of technology until a backlash occurs.

Look at the emergence of the millions of cameras being placed on our streets for "the greater good". I'm sure they will help in many ways, however, "Who watches the watchmen?"

nfboy

So why disable it? Because the EDR tells you:

2 what speed you were traveling at on impact
3 if brakes were applied

As numerous people have pointed out, this can and will be used against you...have no doubt.

crowbar

i like the way you three think,

on the last year fbodys it was under the console

oldschoolfreak

once you are insured the insurance company cant deny a claim because you were speeding or did not apply the brakes soon enough!! I was doing 70 mph on a 55 mph road and never applied the brakes due to falling asleep on my way home from work when i rolled my first hhr and my insurance company showed right up with the cash!!! if you dont trust your insurance company find another!!! In fact I think the only way they can get out of paying up is if you are using alcohol or illegal drugs while driving!! Just my 2 cents