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Joined: 07-05-2008
Posts: 5,464
From: Akron Ohio
THe UAW is already set to give back $500 Million in wage and benifits to GM in 2010. They should be prepared to move it up if needed to save the company.
But what too many people including our idiots in DC think is it is just a few problems here to resolve. Well there are a lot of things to be worked out. The UAW is only on part of a big puzzle.
They keep saying the bail out was for Jobs that is the wrong way to approach this. The British tried to bail out British Leyland for Jobs and it went under. They need the bail out to fix the companies and the jobs will be saved with the repaired companies. IF you don't fix the companies you still going to lose the jobs.
As for the limited Camaro and ZR-1 deal. GM is just now doing a slow ramp up of the Camaro, They do this to make sure they don't have a qualityh issue. They also have over 5,000 dealers who all want cars in Febuary. THey have to spread them out till production can catch up. In time they will be sitting on the lots waiting for buiyers,
As for the ZR-1 it is and was always planned as a limited car. Your only going to sell so many $100,000 Vettes over a period of a few years. To keep demand up over that time you sell only a couple thousand a year. Then the last year or two they sell it look for a jump in power as the engine is good for 730 HP and still meet emissions the last time I heard from some of my GM buddies. Though the money problems may play into this now.
Besides the little money they are making on the ZR-1 is not going to effect GM opne way or the other.
But what too many people including our idiots in DC think is it is just a few problems here to resolve. Well there are a lot of things to be worked out. The UAW is only on part of a big puzzle.
They keep saying the bail out was for Jobs that is the wrong way to approach this. The British tried to bail out British Leyland for Jobs and it went under. They need the bail out to fix the companies and the jobs will be saved with the repaired companies. IF you don't fix the companies you still going to lose the jobs.
As for the limited Camaro and ZR-1 deal. GM is just now doing a slow ramp up of the Camaro, They do this to make sure they don't have a qualityh issue. They also have over 5,000 dealers who all want cars in Febuary. THey have to spread them out till production can catch up. In time they will be sitting on the lots waiting for buiyers,
As for the ZR-1 it is and was always planned as a limited car. Your only going to sell so many $100,000 Vettes over a period of a few years. To keep demand up over that time you sell only a couple thousand a year. Then the last year or two they sell it look for a jump in power as the engine is good for 730 HP and still meet emissions the last time I heard from some of my GM buddies. Though the money problems may play into this now.
Besides the little money they are making on the ZR-1 is not going to effect GM opne way or the other.
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Joined: 05-09-2006
Posts: 6,805
From: "Upland" Mesa, Arizona
Thank you for your response !! It does clear up a few things.
And my example of PATCO was to illustrate how POLITICIANS (as originally stated) get involved in circumstances beyond their grasp and reverse decisions by others, that MAY HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE.
But again, thanks for your explanation.
And my example of PATCO was to illustrate how POLITICIANS (as originally stated) get involved in circumstances beyond their grasp and reverse decisions by others, that MAY HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE.
But again, thanks for your explanation.
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Joined: 04-16-2008
Posts: 230
From: houston TX
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Joined: 10-24-2006
Posts: 1,761
From: The Show-Me State
I guess that makes it less "American" than a Toyota that's painted and bolted together in America from major parts produced in Japan.
For someone who espouses being pro-American, you're doing a great job of being about as anti-American as it gets. Are you honestly for telling people to get out if they don't like America, then turning around and saying it's okay for foreign companies to come here and create a new generation of slavery in the industrialized South?
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Joined: 04-10-2008
Posts: 89
From: Stone Mountain, GA
Mexican pay:
I tried looking around the Internet for this. I found that Mexican factory workers earn $1.25 to $3.00 per hour.
http://www.ueinternational.org/shop/index.php
In the U.S., meet Bill Lally, a skilled factory worker in Jefferson, Ohio.
There, an individual skilled factory worker making parts for presses and secondary equipment and maintaining molds makes around $16.90 an hour (before deductions).*
In Mexico, meet Gilberto Martínez, a skilled factory worker in Aguascalientes.
There, an individual skilled factory worker making parts and repairing machines makes around 31.12 pesos an hour (before deductions), including a year-end bonus.
That total wage equals about $2.79 an hour.*
The average hourly wage for US factory workers is $18 an hour.
I tried looking around the Internet for this. I found that Mexican factory workers earn $1.25 to $3.00 per hour.
http://www.ueinternational.org/shop/index.php
In the U.S., meet Bill Lally, a skilled factory worker in Jefferson, Ohio.
There, an individual skilled factory worker making parts for presses and secondary equipment and maintaining molds makes around $16.90 an hour (before deductions).*
In Mexico, meet Gilberto Martínez, a skilled factory worker in Aguascalientes.
There, an individual skilled factory worker making parts and repairing machines makes around 31.12 pesos an hour (before deductions), including a year-end bonus.
That total wage equals about $2.79 an hour.*
The average hourly wage for US factory workers is $18 an hour.
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Joined: 04-16-2008
Posts: 230
From: houston TX
Engine from New York, transmission from Ontario or Michigan, body stampings from Ohio, and suspension components from Indiana and Michigan. All painted and bolted together in Mexico.
I guess that makes it less "American" than a Toyota that's painted and bolted together in America from major parts produced in Japan.
For someone who espouses being pro-American, you're doing a great job of being about as anti-American as it gets. Are you honestly for telling people to get out if they don't like America, then turning around and saying it's okay for foreign companies to come here and create a new generation of slavery in the industrialized South?
I guess that makes it less "American" than a Toyota that's painted and bolted together in America from major parts produced in Japan.
For someone who espouses being pro-American, you're doing a great job of being about as anti-American as it gets. Are you honestly for telling people to get out if they don't like America, then turning around and saying it's okay for foreign companies to come here and create a new generation of slavery in the industrialized South?
car still shows built in mexico, so was it made in mexico or the us?? IT WAS MADE IN MEXICO! i didnt go car shopping for a mexican car i wanted a car that i could say was made in the US. and yes that make the car less american. i see no slavery in the foregin plants,people are free to come and work there and free to quit when they want. and they dont need to go on strike when some scab leader tells them.
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Joined: 10-04-2007
Posts: 217
From: Yours To Discover
car still shows built in mexico, so was it made in mexico or the us?? IT WAS MADE IN MEXICO! i didnt go car shopping for a mexican car i wanted a car that i could say was made in the US. and yes that make the car less american. i see no slavery in the foregin plants,people are free to come and work there and free to quit when they want. and they dont need to go on strike when some scab leader tells them.
Also keep in mind that GM is a US company, with money coming back into the US instead of heading overseas as it does with the transplants. This is an often forgotten detail...
You may also want to consider the design/engineering aspect of all of this. Although GM has regional engineering centers around the world, a significant portion of the design and engineering is done in the US... even for vehicles built elsewhere.