I have read GM is working on the kits and they will be similar to the old Cobalt kits.

Note I think it will address the 5 speed more than the Auto.

There is not much you can do the Auto transaxle since it was just never designed for the power we are seeing today. The computer tricks are all that keep them alive.

I suspect if the kit is offered for the Auto it may still limit the power in the lower gears.

This transaxle is just not a bullit proof TH400.

I woulds suspect if the HHR is carried over on the Delta II platform a future SS may see AWD and or the 6 speed. This new platform is able to accept this drive line but we are talking a few years out if GM's money troubles don't kill any kind of programs like this in the works.

I suspect the 5 speed also has limits not much higher as the no lift shift not only protects the clutch but the tranny while never letting the boost drop for better performance.

Computers have made lighter trannys of today live when they would have never lasted years ago.

 

Being a tech at a dealer, I would not worry about the programming. Here's some advise. Creat a good relationship with a service advisor or manager. Spend some money at the dealer. Get your oil changed at the dealer. I hear about people going to pepboys and such for an oil change. For what? To save a few dollars? Hell, you get your oil changed everytime at the dealer adn get routine maint. done at the dealr, drink their coffee and eat their donuts. Then when the time comes when there is a problem, some things can be overlooked. You know what I mean? Any mgr's here chime in. A great working relationship with "your" dealer will pay off $$$$$ in the long run. I've seen it many times. A guy wants something taken care of and we find a non GM problem. If he's our customer, it's handled, no questions. If he's *****in that "we" biult a POS, and never been in before, he gets the door. Try it. It will work. IMO.

 

Here's the bullitin on finding NON GM programs.

08-06-04-033: Identifying Aftermarket Engine Calibrations 2.0L, 2.2L, 2.4L, 2.8L, 2.9L, 3.0L, 3.1L, 3.2L, 3.4L, 3.5L, 3.6L, 3.8L, 3.9L, 4.2L, 4.3L, 4.4L, 4.6L, 4.8L, 5.0L, 5.3L, 5.7L, 6.0L 6.2L 7.0L, 7.4L, 8.1L Gas - (May 30, 2008)


Subject: Identifying Aftermarket Engine Calibrations 2.0L, 2.2L, 2.4L, 2.8L, 2.9L, 3.0L, 3.1L, 3.2L, 3.4L, 3.5L, 3.6L, 3.8L, 3.9L, 4.2L, 4.3L, 4.4L, 4.6L, 4.8L, 5.0L, 5.3L, 5.7L, 6.0L, 6.2L, 7.0L, 7.4L, 8.1L Gas Powered Engines Only


Models: 2006-2009 GM Passenger Cars and Light Duty Trucks

2006-2009 HUMMER H2, H3

Excluding Pontiac Vibe, G8, Chevrolet Aveo, All Saturn and Saab Models




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Important: This bulletin applies to Gas Powered Engines ONLY. For Diesel Powered Engines, refer to Service Bulletin #08-06-04-006A.

If a suspicious hard part failure is observed in the engine, transmission, transfer case or driveline, perform the calibration verification described to determine if a non-GM issued engine calibration is installed. Non-GM issued engine calibrations subject driveline components to stresses different than the calibrations which these components were validated to. Repairs to engine, transmission, transfer case and/or other driveline components where a non-GM engine calibration has been verified are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty.

Instructions for Confirming Calibration Verification Number (CVN):


Go to TIS2WEB
Select "Calibration Information (SPS Info)"
Enter VIN
Select "Get Cal ID"
Select "ECM Engine Control Module"
Select "Next"
Select "Complete History"
Print
Take the printout to the vehicle along with the Tech 2®
Plug in the Tech 2®
Go to diagnostics and build the vehicle
Select "Powertrain"
Select "Engine"
*Select "Engine Control Module" or "PCM"
*Select "Module ID Information" or "I/M Information System" if module ID information selection is not available.
*If "I/M information System" was selected in step 15, it may be necessary to select "Vehicle Information" in order to display the calibration information.
Compare the calibration ID and Calibration Verification Numbers (CVN) to the Calibration Verification Numbers (CVN) on the printout.
* Steps may vary by controller.

Although the part numbers will be the same for each, it's the CVN that will determine if the calibration is GM issued. If ALL of the CVN's are EXACTLY the same, the calibration is GM issued.

If the part numbers match and ANY CVN's DO NOT match the printout, it is likely that a non-GM certified calibration has been installed.

If the CVN information is displayed as "N/A", it will be necessary to contact the TCSC to obtain the CVN information.

If a non-GM calibration is found to be in the ECM (CVN's on the Tech 2 do not match TIS printout) - In order to document the case -- a CLEAR digital picture should be taken of the Tech 2® screen showing the VIN and the CVN's that do not match the TIS2WEB printout. The picture, VIN and reason the vehicle is currently in for service should be emailed to JAY.DANKOVICH@GM.COM and STEVEN.R.BRIDSON@GM.COM for verification. Please copy your GM District Service Manager (DVM) on the e-mail. GM will verify if the CVN's are not GM issued and respond via e-mail within 72 hours.

GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See your GM dealer for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.

 

One inporetant note on programs is there are a lot of them out there but only a few that are any good.

On the GP forum they had a lot of programs for the new Gen III 3800SC engines. Some worked some did not. Then they had a few that broke pistons that were not covered by warranty.

Keep in mind as long as this is under warranty you are at your own risk. You thing dealers hate KNN filters just see what they do when they see the programing has been changes to a non GM program.

Some areas of the engine are detuned for a reason and many tuners don't take that into account. If they don't you will break parts not covered.

In this day and age just because you can flash a computer does not mean the programiing is fool proof. It take time and money to test them and only a few programers and tuners will take that time.

With the boost levels, compression and fuel pressure this engine hs you had better get it right our your going to hole a piston or eat a tranny.

This deal is a little more complex than the old GN Buicks.

 

It is not worth even messing with the programming on an auto until someone offers a stronger shaft on the input side, if that is possible. I know that the output shaft is rated to 325 lbs. WTF. Heck I would pay for it if it was only around 1200 and GM would certify it.

 

I have been at the same Dealership for 30 years, that being said, I think I've "heard it all". Quite often decisions concerning warranty are left to the discretion of the Service Manager and are based on a "good business case".

You have a problem.......are one of my customers......have a good relationship, I'll bust my a** to help you. I'm very performance orientated and I really like people in general so I will do everything I can.

You stomp into my office, slam my door and start telling me in a loud threatening tone how you expect us to fix the problem with "my" lousy product.........I'll go "by the book" and won't give you the time of day, or else I'll run you out and tell you to find someone else to abuse. I don't need it.

 

Thanks for the input guys.

 

Retrorod, Thank you, nough said.

 

I think that I will order the tuner for the auto....
considering all of the info and giving it some serious thought, I just may go for it.

1- the warranty....already have 8500 miles on the SS, my feeling is that if something major is going to happen, most likely it would have happen now, as it did to some other members.

2- I don't intend to beat on the SS, so my foot will not be in it at all times seriously though, there are only few places left to where you can let it go other than the track. I assume you would really have to abuse the SS to where the input shaft would cause failure, such as; WOT at every stop or light, just beating the b***s off of it at every chance you get. I don't think that hitting passing gear at any speed is going to have the same effect on the input shaft that a constant WOT would on a daily basis.

3- just like all of the other auto owners, I would like more power and better response from part throttle and passing gear at any speed, not just the response I get from passing gear @ 65-70.

4- the GM stage kit is on hold, from what I read on the Sol Froum, they cut the funding on testing, so it will not be available this year, from what they are saying.

5- although the PPC is $$$, it seems that BSR and Hahn have a good solid grip on this tune for our engines. although I have had sucess with Super Chips on my GTO and with SCT for the SSR, I think it will be awhile before any of them come out with a tune, and it may not come up to the standards of what is being offered now...and although I've heard that HP TUners has made some progress on their tunes and boost tables for the LNF, I have no knowledge on even how to use their product.

6- along with the tune and exhaust and maybe the ram air, I could and would be very happy

7- so looks lkike Monday will be the day to call in the order

 

You stomp into my office, slam my door and start telling me in a loud threatening tone how you expect us to fix the problem with "my" lousy product.........I'll go "by the book" and won't give you the time of day, or else I'll run you out and tell you to find someone else to abuse. I don't need it.
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retrorod

just an example how would or should one get satisfaction if there vehicle has been in there over 13 documented times with the same issue and one takes it back in again........ pretty hard to keep from being upset......understand where you are coming from and when i was a cop had kinda the same attitude but seriously its really hard to keep taking a vehicle back for the same issue and not get upset..........