China's economy seems to be doing pretty damn good! While still being Communist they changed to a Socialist economic system back in the 1978. Their "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" as they dubbed it has brought millions of people out of poverty, bringing the poverty rate down from 53% of the population in 1981 to 8% by 2001 where it has basically stayed. Here in America we have roughly a 12-15% poverty rate. I guess Socialism can work in certain forms.

 

For the most part yeah....there are exceptions but Health Care is not something that the government needs to be controlling



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Nationalized Healthcare? No thanks, I dont want an ER to remind me of the DMV.

 

Now I need to admit...I am not well versed in socialism. But, I did make those comments to "snag" those who believe in it, knowing that China would be mentioned as a rebuttle. But a simple question...in this supposedly socialist country, where is there health care system??

China is not a good example to compare......

China, according to most economists, while still fundamentally Communist/Socialist has gained their broad world exposure from Capitalist enterprises. China itself, refuses to acknowledge the very capitalism they employ and created new syntax to describe their newly created industries.

Comparing Chinas poverty rate to the US is also not a good example. The US REQUIRES more income just to sustain a theoretical way of life. China does not. For example, in 1998, while visiting there, I recognized I could easily live in that country (if allowed) for about $8.00/day. And, it would have been comparible to my standard here....with the exception of transportation and housing.

As a sidebar to this debate...... comparing the poverty rate of China in 1981 to what it was in 2001 is not an accurate reflection, either. I believe if you check, much of China wealth and attibutes, that contributed to the decrease in poverty, started just about the time that the Brit's passed governing and ownership of Hong Kong back to China. The past 7-10 years....which just about correlates with the start of it's industrial (capitalist) revolution.

And this has nothing to do with healthcare. So I'll stop.

 

Yeah but admittedly they are one of the few functioning models us Socialist have to fall back on. China's health care system is massively F'd up (one of the worst in the world) because they ditched the Socialist health care system in 1994 for a more modern system but they realize their error they are fixing it. They adapted a nation health care policy recently but being Socialist by nature and newly adapted only employed urban residents are allowed to enroll. There plan is to have everyone in the country with basic health coverage by 2010. As far as poverty level goes you also have to factor in that China has 20% of the world’s population living there. 1,321,851,888 compared to the 301,139,947 living here. Sure Capitalist are going to blame China's rising wealth on Capitalism. After all they are the ones sending all of our business there. It was Socialism that brought about China's rise in wealth and power and allows them to keep growing. Our US Capitalist system has us by a strangle hold that keeps declining us further and further down a one way spiral. America continues to be the place where the rich get richer at the poor’s expense while the poor just get poorer. As much as a US Capitalist hates to admit it a Communist/Socialist economy is doing way better than ours. As we decline they grow.

 

Have you looked into how China "controls" it population growth? We did an internation adobption almost 5 years ago. What China's government does with it's abandoned childeren is cruel to say the least. And that is just one aspect of how they handle it. I won't go into details here. But feel free to PM me if you like. And this is from many that have gone through similiar programs. We did not qualify for China's program (wife was too young <30). We ended up going through Guatemala.

So using them as any comparision to the US, is a joke IMO.

 

I'm only comparing the economy because it is a functioning Socialist model. I'm not comparing the rest of their policies being that they are mainly Communist. While Communism, Socialism, and Marxism have common bonds they are different. It gets way more complex from there. If you think our two party system here in America is bad look into a Socialist system. Internal struggle always seems to be our downfall. There are many branches of Socialism and then it breaks down even more from there. For example my views as a Democratic Socialist are very different than that a National Socialist.

 

That's story can be said the same to privately owned and operated hospitals.

 

There are many "exceptions" that have changed in U.S. history. Times are changing and the county needs to evolve with it.

 

Great blind review.