I've traded the HHR
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I usually put about 35K a year on my car.....I used Galves which will give you a truer trade in value for your vehicle in most cases than KBB or Edmunds etc.....I was totally blown away that my 05 Matrix with 62K on it was worth more than an 06 LT with 35K on it (was just doing a comparison if I had bought an HHR and was gonna trade) I think the trade on the Matrix was 8500 and on a one year old HHR it was something like 7600
I almost fell over..the # was quite a bit less than what KBB listed.....
Crafty...maybe you know..is Galves a more realistic number that dealers value their trade ins by? I'm sure a dealer can assign any number to a trade but just wondered if the Galves was an industry standard.
I had one dealer offer me 10k on the trade and another 8300 so there is a pretty wide range I guess
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I usually put about 35K a year on my car.....I used Galves which will give you a truer trade in value for your vehicle in most cases than KBB or Edmunds etc.....I was totally blown away that my 05 Matrix with 62K on it was worth more than an 06 LT with 35K on it (was just doing a comparison if I had bought an HHR and was gonna trade) I think the trade on the Matrix was 8500 and on a one year old HHR it was something like 7600
I almost fell over..the # was quite a bit less than what KBB listed.....Crafty...maybe you know..is Galves a more realistic number that dealers value their trade ins by? I'm sure a dealer can assign any number to a trade but just wondered if the Galves was an industry standard.
I had one dealer offer me 10k on the trade and another 8300 so there is a pretty wide range I guess
Goose
If you really want to trade, CarMax really does use the local auction reports in real time to help determine the value of the car. But they run a very low margin on the cars and kick 90% out to auction, so they don't dicker much from the auction value when it comes to appraisals. That's why they say they give you their best price the first time--they can't afford to do better! A local dealer may be willing to give you more for the car and simply make it up via ADP, doc fees, prep fees, freight charges, undercoating, etc. KMX doesn't offer that stuff, other than the $150 doc fee, so they can't make it up on the back end.
On the new Civic, though, I was thinking that it looks an awful lot like a '99 Saturn coupe. Seems like the Japanese are rehashing a lot of the jellybean shapes from the '90s, although since they've recruited a lot of former GM and Ford engineers, it's not surprising.
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have you aven driven any late model Domestic cars because from what I've seen there are many new domestic interiors that far outclass many Japanese products
name them...
Lets take the new tundra for example The new Silverado interior
dont blame the consumers for trying to get the best for their money. Instead of accusing people of being "unamerican" you should look deeper into the american businesses flooding our market with cheap stuff. They are the culprits. I know you've purchased from Walmart before...
Since you like comparing trucks so much go check out the Nissan Titan and tell me how that compares to your Silverado. And by the way imports are not known for their trucks but they do cover almost everything else in the market.
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As much as I hate imports and when an American chooses to buy an import over a domestic it's PerryHallHHR's choice to make. It's not my decision to live with so if he's happy cool. I'll bash imports and the market but not an individual buyer. It makes me a little sad inside but I'll live. 
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Lets keep it in the 4 and 6 cylinder class.
name them...
I thought you were comparing domestic and import cars?
dont blame the consumers for trying to get the best for their money. Instead of accusing people of being "unamerican" you should look deeper into the american businesses flooding our market with cheap stuff. They are the culprits. I know you've purchased from Walmart before...
Since you like comparing trucks so much go check out the Nissan Titan and tell me how that compares to your Silverado. And by the way imports are not known for their trucks but they do cover almost everything else in the market.
name them...
I thought you were comparing domestic and import cars?
dont blame the consumers for trying to get the best for their money. Instead of accusing people of being "unamerican" you should look deeper into the american businesses flooding our market with cheap stuff. They are the culprits. I know you've purchased from Walmart before...
Since you like comparing trucks so much go check out the Nissan Titan and tell me how that compares to your Silverado. And by the way imports are not known for their trucks but they do cover almost everything else in the market.
Now onto interiors
Toyota Camry
Saturn Aura http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_sh...ring_Wheel.jpg
And I know its not out yet but
2008 Chevy Malibu http://images.motortrend.com/feature...u+interior.jpg
Honda accord http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos....19_346x270.jpg
None of them are bad but I know which ones look better to me.
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None of them are bad but I know which ones look better to me.
Honda Accord 2.4EX w/nav, leather - $23800 3.0L V-6 244 HP (26 city, 34 hwy)
Saturn Aura w/leather (no nav) - $23400 3.6L V-6 252 HP (20 city, 28 hwy)
Toyota Camry XLE w/nav, leather and everything else thrown at it - $30200 3.5L V-6 268 HP (22 city, 31 hwy)
2007 Chevrolet Malibu LTZ 4dr Sedan with everything including front plate brackets (no nav) - $23500 3.5L V-6 217 HP (22 city , 32 hwy)
For the sake of making fair comparisons I decided to look up a 2007 Malibu instead of the 2008. I'm pretty sure Toyota and Honda will be coming out with better styling for the 2008 versions of their sedans.
For giggles I added this car into the mix.
2007 Nissan Altima 3.5 SL 4dr Sedan w/ leather and tech package - $29000 3.5L V-6 270 HP (20 city, 29 hwy)
Now back to our regular scheduled thread.
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Honestly, it really depends more on how the cars are doing in the local auctions for your area. I've never used Galves, but KBB, Edmunds, and NADA all look at the top dollar for a similar car in the region. If you're in the midwest, that's from Chicago down to Houston. Cars are going to have wildly different values between those two metro areas and it's really a seasonal thing, too, which most websites are about 60 days off from anyway.
If you really want to trade, CarMax really does use the local auction reports in real time to help determine the value of the car. But they run a very low margin on the cars and kick 90% out to auction, so they don't dicker much from the auction value when it comes to appraisals. That's why they say they give you their best price the first time--they can't afford to do better! A local dealer may be willing to give you more for the car and simply make it up via ADP, doc fees, prep fees, freight charges, undercoating, etc. KMX doesn't offer that stuff, other than the $150 doc fee, so they can't make it up on the back end.
On the new Civic, though, I was thinking that it looks an awful lot like a '99 Saturn coupe. Seems like the Japanese are rehashing a lot of the jellybean shapes from the '90s, although since they've recruited a lot of former GM and Ford engineers, it's not surprising.
If you really want to trade, CarMax really does use the local auction reports in real time to help determine the value of the car. But they run a very low margin on the cars and kick 90% out to auction, so they don't dicker much from the auction value when it comes to appraisals. That's why they say they give you their best price the first time--they can't afford to do better! A local dealer may be willing to give you more for the car and simply make it up via ADP, doc fees, prep fees, freight charges, undercoating, etc. KMX doesn't offer that stuff, other than the $150 doc fee, so they can't make it up on the back end.
On the new Civic, though, I was thinking that it looks an awful lot like a '99 Saturn coupe. Seems like the Japanese are rehashing a lot of the jellybean shapes from the '90s, although since they've recruited a lot of former GM and Ford engineers, it's not surprising.
Again consumers only think they are getting more for their money because some magazine told them they are which is the only thing that predicts resale values is how much people want to pay and because people THINK their imports are better they over pay for them its that simple.
Now onto interiors
Toyota Camry
Saturn Aura http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_sh...ring_Wheel.jpg
And I know its not out yet but
2008 Chevy Malibu http://images.motortrend.com/feature...u+interior.jpg
Honda accord http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos....19_346x270.jpg
None of them are bad but I know which ones look better to me.
Now onto interiors
Toyota Camry
Saturn Aura http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_sh...ring_Wheel.jpg
And I know its not out yet but
2008 Chevy Malibu http://images.motortrend.com/feature...u+interior.jpg
Honda accord http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos....19_346x270.jpg
None of them are bad but I know which ones look better to me.
As far as MPG goes, my HHR 2.2 auto was rated at 23/30, and my Civic is rated at 30/40. I've driven about 250 miles since I picked it up, and am down to about a quarter tank. I was getting about 24 MPG average on the HHR in almost 90% highway driving, so even in my break-in period with the Civic, I'm still doing - at worst - the same.
I still really like the HHR as a car, and mine served me well for the year and half that I had it, but it was time for me to move on.
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dont blame the consumers for trying to get the best for their money. Instead of accusing people of being "unamerican" you should look deeper into the american businesses flooding our market with cheap stuff. They are the culprits. I know you've purchased from Walmart before...
Since you like comparing trucks so much go check out the Nissan Titan and tell me how that compares to your Silverado. And by the way imports are not known for their trucks but they do cover almost everything else in the market.
Since you like comparing trucks so much go check out the Nissan Titan and tell me how that compares to your Silverado. And by the way imports are not known for their trucks but they do cover almost everything else in the market.
There is no comparison between the Titan and the Silverado. The Titan, like the Ram, is an outdated design that hasn't had a very good history in its short lifespan. In fact, it's actually the first full-size truck that's actually had a worse service and reliability record than the Dodge Ram. I'm sure once Nissan and Toyota have a few years to figure out how to make luxury car transmissions strong enough for stump pulling they'll have a good truck, but for now at least the Big 3 still own that market. It's the only thing keeping them going.