Yeah...the unions are really obsolete now.

Sure, they were needed in the 1930's when working conditions were terrible and pay stunk..but come on! Times have changed!!! So many people are out of jobs now and would LOVE to work for what they're being paid!!!

 

When you think of it a recession or depression is the time to have a union back you. Think of it with so much labor force available the manufacturer could say your going to take a $15 an hour reduction or we're going to fire you and hire someone that will.

 

I might tend to agree......But personally i dont think one can blame union totally, There other factors in that equation.

I believe you take away the CEO that dont due anything and get one heck of a going away money package just dont seem right. All that money that those guys got wow, how much would have help companies, Payless Cashways, Sprint, just to name a couple.

And those who started sending things out the country so they CEO can get a fat cat, GM included... they sold the blue collar worker down the river.

So my question is how then if those guys can get that, who protects the blue collar worker.......I HAVE SEEN IT TIME AND TIME big boys take the money and run and the one who has worked on the line or the mill, and those who work with their hands to make it get stuck with nothing. Because some ceo didnt know how to run the thing and ran a company to the ground it had nothing to do with a union........Look around you open your eyes.

One can say it all started there, not just union......You cant blame the union with out pointing the finger at those fat cats CEO.... both are just to blame !!!

I was taking out some electric devices out of an office of the VP of a major company that went belly up, when i overhear a CEO over a speaker phone tell the plant manager, " I dont give a damn what they are going to do, and i dont care, I got my Seven Million dollars, and thats all that matters to me.

JMHO

 

how can anyone talk bad about unions? ever been in one? know people who are in one?corporations love to hear people talk bad about them. what about corporate greed? what about mistreating workers for bonuses?i work at a place that has both union and non-union workers. i see both sides of the coin. americas economy did not falter because of unions.if you read your history unions were formed because of un-fair working conditions.form your own opinion like unions or not but dont pass judgement on a labor practice untill you work in it, im sure alot of people could look over anyones shoulders and say that what any joe american is doing or working for is wrong and we need to get into the 21 century. well look at china, russia, europe. look at their economy. it all sucks but their wages are lower, most are controlled by a government who take controll and leave the workers with little. just a thought for those who want to blame a worker for making a decent living in a world were the price of goods go up and the workers pay go down

 

I Personally have not been in a union, however my father was in a union for 10yrs until they closed there door's. I don't put 100% of the blame on the union's. A lot of it is Corporate greed, CEO making sure they get there bonus for driving the company into the ground. Only thing i was trying to get across is the Union's do not help by always wanting more and more regardless if the company was falling on bad time's or not.

You would think UAW would be more willing to cut back on alot of what they wanted. For Example there was no reason in Hell UAW needed basically a class room full of people that were getting paid $25hr plus to just sit there incase someone didn't show up extra. Crap like that is Bull.Obviously is GM goes bankrupt what the hell does UAW think there going to do?

I for one do think the Car industry and other industries should be controlled more by the Gov't. I'm sure alot of people don't like that view either. Apparently its needed though. Someone has to babysit all of these lazy ass CEO's,Banker's etc.

 

Comrade Obama will ensure the STATE will properly manage the unions. IMHO you will see unions become a lot less able to work wages into the equation (The STATE will determine what is necessary for salaries and wages as we move along), however the STATE will use the unions as a pressure point for socialized medicine. The unions will become another tool of the STATE that knows what is best for individual. The individual will no longer have the right of determination.

 

The bottom line is the UAW is not 100% at fault.

I have been in a Union and hate unions. They are as greedy as many companies.

The bottom line is GM's problerms stem from the lack of GM to adapt over the years to a changing market. Wasteful management. GM had many internal problems in everything from purcahsing to designing. Things are changing and improving today but the lack of money has slowed the change.

The UAW does share in some of this too as they are far from blaimeless. GM should have hard lined them years ago but at the time it was easier to cave in.

Also bad timing that was beyond GM's control also hurt them. That part is just pure bad luck and not much you can do about that.

Read the book Why GM Matters and you will see all that has brought this on. It was not a single thing that caused this nor did it happen in just the last 8 years.

The problem is the press seldom explains all that is in play and the majority of the public have no idea what is really going on. The public in general are clueless as they are on most business and world affairs.

 

you have to think this. we live in a society were you have to have one heck of an income to make ends meet or have two incomes. regardless, if 25 dollars an hour is too much for a union member to make then where is the cut off line for the middleclass? $15 dollars an hour wont get you far in todays world. Henry Ford said he had to pay his workers a decent wage inorder for his employees to buy his products. in todays world is $15, or even $18 an hour going to provide a nice car, a nice house, and all the wants or should i say needs for a typical family? compared to Mexico, China , Japan do we really want to live like they do? copare wages, lifestyles. when we as a country started to open more and more free trade, mor jobs left here because they could pay those workers next to nothing and not lower the price of goods (or maybe a little). all im saying is look were this country is heading. im sure alot of people grew up under parents who were union. provided a good livng for their families and sent some of their kids to colledge.unfortunaley we want to pay our labor force wal-mart wages and expect them to live the american dream

 

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In the end, what kind of society do we want to live in?

Do we aim to live in america, like americans? Or do we aim to bring down the standard of living, and end up living like the chinese?

If you cut the salaries, you cut the buying power as well. You cut your neighbour's salary, and he's likely to cut his spendings, and he probably wont be able to buy the products YOUR company makes.. And you'll be the next one to get a huge pay cut, because ''the company makes no money anymore''.

Rick Wagoner's was let go from GM with a $23 million check in his pocket. That's a nice pension me thinks.

How about GM retirees pensions? Will they be as lucky as Rick Wagoner? How many retirees would GM be able to support with $23 millions?

I call that, executive fleecing.

A few individuals can suck a company's blood dry. That's OK... We're in america, and we pay our executives well.

Buy in america (Canada), and WE will get richer.

Buy in china, and the chinese will get richer....

 

Where have you been? Our country has been socialist/authoritarian for quite some time now...they just don't want to call it that...

On a side note, I think part of it in fact too contributes to why the middle class is shrinking... The rich get rich, and the poor get poorer... Unfortunately, most all of us are the poor. The corporate hotshots and CEOs are the rich...