View Poll Results: Do you support the war in Iraq?
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120
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From: Rochester,N.Y.
This is very simple....just where do you want to fight this war? Yes we, and the rest of the world, are in a war. Do you want to take it to them where they live, or, would you rather them take it to where we live? They started it...I only hope we have the courage to finish it!! THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. GOOD BYE!!!
Pat
Pat
I highly doubt we have to fear them "taking it to where we live". 
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Joined: 07-17-2006
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From: Dallas, GA
You think they can't "bring it to us"? You need to wake up.
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Joined: 03-10-2007
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From: Ottawa, Ontario
CH - I really think that people have a skewed view on the whole war on terror. Iraq had NO PART of 9/11. Iraq did not harbour terrorists. The reason for the Iraq war (and I'll give the Coalition of the Willing the benefit of the doubt) was the fear of WMDs and their use. Would these WMDs be sold to groups like Al-Qaeda? Would they be used against Saudi Arabia and Israel? That was the question - and the fear.
Where do I want to fight terrorists? Where there ARE terrorists! That would be Operation Enduring Freedom, with operations in Afghanistan and Africa. Terrorism must be fought, but Iraq was not, and is not, a terrorist threat. Only now does Al-Qaeda operate in Iraq because it is in such a chaotic state. Groups like Hamas and Al-Qaeda are fanatical "religious groups", Iraq was a secular nation run by a self-aggrandizing dictator. These groups don't mix.
Now that the thing is a mess, the troops must stay. An unstable Iraq could lead to disaster in the Middle East. It is just that it didn't have to happen.
Where do I want to fight terrorists? Where there ARE terrorists! That would be Operation Enduring Freedom, with operations in Afghanistan and Africa. Terrorism must be fought, but Iraq was not, and is not, a terrorist threat. Only now does Al-Qaeda operate in Iraq because it is in such a chaotic state. Groups like Hamas and Al-Qaeda are fanatical "religious groups", Iraq was a secular nation run by a self-aggrandizing dictator. These groups don't mix.
Now that the thing is a mess, the troops must stay. An unstable Iraq could lead to disaster in the Middle East. It is just that it didn't have to happen.
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Joined: 02-20-2007
Posts: 47
From: Virginia
Well I support the war and our troops no matter what, my husband is on the USS Cole right now and I could not be prouder of him and the men and women who are on that ship along with the many others that serve to keep my children safe at home playing on playgrounds. I respect everyones thoughts on the war, that is what makes us free is it not? Well thats just my 2 cents on this topic.
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From: Dallas, GA
On October 12, 2000, USS Cole, under the command of Commander Kirk Lippold, set in to Aden harbor for a routine fuel stop. Cole completed mooring at 09:30. Refueling started at 10:30. At 11:18 local time (08:18 UTC), a small craft approached the port side of the destroyer, and an explosion occurred, putting a 35-by-36-foot gash in the ship's port side. The blast hit the ship's galley, where crew were lining up for lunch.[1] The crew fought flooding in the engineering spaces and had the damage under control by the evening. Divers inspected the hull and determined the keel was not damaged.
Seventeen sailors were killed and 39 others were injured in the blast. The injured sailors were taken to the United States Army's Landstuhl Regional Medical Center near Ramstein, Germany, and later to the U.S. The attack was the deadliest against a US Naval vessel since the Iraqi attack on the USS Stark (FFG-31) on May 17th, 1987.
The attack, organized and directed by Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist organization, was carried out by suicide bombers Ibrahim al-Thawr and Abdullah al-Misawa.
Seventeen sailors were killed and 39 others were injured in the blast. The injured sailors were taken to the United States Army's Landstuhl Regional Medical Center near Ramstein, Germany, and later to the U.S. The attack was the deadliest against a US Naval vessel since the Iraqi attack on the USS Stark (FFG-31) on May 17th, 1987.
The attack, organized and directed by Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist organization, was carried out by suicide bombers Ibrahim al-Thawr and Abdullah al-Misawa.
Again, al-Qaeda and OBL.
But the point was an attack can happen with little resources. You think Iraq had/has no terrorists?
I support our troops. I stood in the sand where they are. I proudly wore that uniform. Since my retirement, I still see the men and women I worked with before and after their deployments. I could care less what your political views are. Those men and women are giving you that right.
I'm done with the thread. These make you see who truly support you and who doesn't.
Ya'll have fun with it.
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Well I support the war and our troops no matter what, my husband is on the USS Cole right now and I could not be prouder of him and the men and women who are on that ship along with the many others that serve to keep my children safe at home playing on playgrounds. I respect everyones thoughts on the war, that is what makes us free is it not? Well thats just my 2 cents on this topic.
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From: Rochester,N.Y.
Even if we drop a nuclear bomb on Iraq and decimate the entire land killing ever person there it wouldn't stop terrorism. The war on terror is complete government propaganda BS to rally our people to side with a pointless war and keep people living in fear. The current Bush administration uses the 9/11 attacks for their own gain which is definitely not right. The Bush administration and the media have spun this thing so out of control that most Americans have lost objectivity. 
Let's face it, with the current state of America al-Qaeda has won! We are just wasting resources and lives now for what?
Let's face it, with the current state of America al-Qaeda has won! We are just wasting resources and lives now for what?
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From: Ottawa, Ontario
I fully support Operation Enduring Freedom - the real war on terror - and I fully support the troops as I too served in the Forces (the Canadian forces, that is).
The war in Iraq can still be successful, but it should never have happened. The USS Stark? Iraqi President Saddam Hussein apologized for it! He said that the Mirage pilot had mistaken the Stark for an Iranian tanker. Then, Iraq promised to pay compensation to the families of the 37 killed seamen, and pay for the damages to the ship. The missile attack on the Stark was not much different from the bombing of Canadian troops in Afghanistan. The "attack" on the USS Stark was during the Iran-Iraq war. When Iraq was still viewed as an ally to stand against post-revolutionary Iran.
I just wish that those who disagree with the war wouldn't immediately be labelled as pansies who don't know who won our freedom.
The war in Iraq can still be successful, but it should never have happened. The USS Stark? Iraqi President Saddam Hussein apologized for it! He said that the Mirage pilot had mistaken the Stark for an Iranian tanker. Then, Iraq promised to pay compensation to the families of the 37 killed seamen, and pay for the damages to the ship. The missile attack on the Stark was not much different from the bombing of Canadian troops in Afghanistan. The "attack" on the USS Stark was during the Iran-Iraq war. When Iraq was still viewed as an ally to stand against post-revolutionary Iran.
I just wish that those who disagree with the war wouldn't immediately be labelled as pansies who don't know who won our freedom.
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Joined: 02-21-2007
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From: Atlanta
The Iraq War may seem a mess now... but in truth every War is a mess. But the Iraq War has had some of the fewest (American) casualties in all the War's America has ever fought in. Has the cost been great? Yes, it has... but then so has the cost of every other War ever fought...
So should we pull out; leave Iraq and leave it to the Iraqi's?
Sure, we should...
But only when they can show us, that they know how to protect themselves; their own country... and their own region. Otherwise, America and the rest of the co called "coalition forces" pulls out too early; or announces a "time table" for withdrawl... well then forces such as Al Qaeda will simply back off, go into hiding, and wait for us to leave.... sure they'll still throw some insurgents at us, put up the impression they're still fighting...
But then we leave, and while they've sat back and waited for us to leave, they've themselves back up, and they'll then come out in greater numbers; while we're not there...and they'll take the place over, because its own government and its own people weren't ready to stand on their own. Are we ready for that? An entire country and its resources, under the control of the likes of Al Qaeda; it's leaders holding political offices, controlling a military and building an army? How much more costly, and fatal... would another War be to root them out then?
Yes, we should pull out... but AFTER we've cleaned up our own mess.
The whole point of Iraq was not to look for WMD's or topple Saddam, thats what everyone believes, because thats what everyone was told... but the point was, to create a buffer, a battle field... on our terms, where Al Qaeda and others of like mind, would have to come to us to fight... not the other way around.
Should we have gone into Iraq in the first place? Should we have stayed in Afganistan, fight in the same terrain where the Russian Military failed horribly years prior? Should we have just stayed home? In which scneario would forces like Al Qaeda have the upper hand, and where would more of their attention and efforts be directed? Where would their resources be spent or put towards, how many more attacks on our own soil; would our own beloved country have seen?
These individuals... these radicals... won't stop. It doesn't matter who is funding who to do what; it doesn't matter which "branch" or which "country" is responsible... they will not stop; until people like us, are forced into their submission... or until everyone is dead... they will not stop... until the entire world belongs to them once more, and until then the entire world will forever stand against them; and they against the world. True, they're divided now... but God have Mercy on the World, should a single leader ever rise amongst them capable of uniting them all under a single banner... when every Islamic Nation stands united under a single leader... the war machine they'll be capable of rising then would be almost unstoppable.
So what should we do? Sit back and watch them slowly grow in numbers and slowly, gradually overthrow other nations, like they're doing in France right now; by... breeding, the French population out, and slowly stepping into their political system as they grew in numbers and gain the majority... as well as in other European Nations, where things they find offensive to their religion, are forcing governments to bow, bend over and change their laws to favor them and their religious laws?
How many freedoms must we sit back and watch be given away because of what they find offensive?
Or should we take the fight to them; force them to fight us on a battlefield of our choice rather then one of theirs?
They will not stop... until the entire world belongs to them once more, and until then, every hand in the world will be against them; and their hand will be against the world... and before the eyes of the rest of the world, they will forever dwell in the east and remain hostile towards all others...
Genesis 16: 11-12
It does'nt matter what your political views are on this... because sure they may have failed to break us through our Economy... but American arrogance has allowed them to break us on another front... Through our own political system, they've turned us all against each other... we chose the battlefield but they're using it, and our own arrogant pride to turn us against each other...
What will it take for every American to stand United once more? United we Stand, Divided we Fall... and right now, we're divided. ...so our fall is imminent, and they're pushing us there, and we're letting it happen.
What will it take to wake the sleeping giant once more?
9/11 sure didn't do it... just stirred the sleeping giant, but it did not awaken it... so what will it take?
So should we pull out; leave Iraq and leave it to the Iraqi's?
Sure, we should...
But only when they can show us, that they know how to protect themselves; their own country... and their own region. Otherwise, America and the rest of the co called "coalition forces" pulls out too early; or announces a "time table" for withdrawl... well then forces such as Al Qaeda will simply back off, go into hiding, and wait for us to leave.... sure they'll still throw some insurgents at us, put up the impression they're still fighting...
But then we leave, and while they've sat back and waited for us to leave, they've themselves back up, and they'll then come out in greater numbers; while we're not there...and they'll take the place over, because its own government and its own people weren't ready to stand on their own. Are we ready for that? An entire country and its resources, under the control of the likes of Al Qaeda; it's leaders holding political offices, controlling a military and building an army? How much more costly, and fatal... would another War be to root them out then?
Yes, we should pull out... but AFTER we've cleaned up our own mess.
The whole point of Iraq was not to look for WMD's or topple Saddam, thats what everyone believes, because thats what everyone was told... but the point was, to create a buffer, a battle field... on our terms, where Al Qaeda and others of like mind, would have to come to us to fight... not the other way around.
Should we have gone into Iraq in the first place? Should we have stayed in Afganistan, fight in the same terrain where the Russian Military failed horribly years prior? Should we have just stayed home? In which scneario would forces like Al Qaeda have the upper hand, and where would more of their attention and efforts be directed? Where would their resources be spent or put towards, how many more attacks on our own soil; would our own beloved country have seen?
These individuals... these radicals... won't stop. It doesn't matter who is funding who to do what; it doesn't matter which "branch" or which "country" is responsible... they will not stop; until people like us, are forced into their submission... or until everyone is dead... they will not stop... until the entire world belongs to them once more, and until then the entire world will forever stand against them; and they against the world. True, they're divided now... but God have Mercy on the World, should a single leader ever rise amongst them capable of uniting them all under a single banner... when every Islamic Nation stands united under a single leader... the war machine they'll be capable of rising then would be almost unstoppable.
So what should we do? Sit back and watch them slowly grow in numbers and slowly, gradually overthrow other nations, like they're doing in France right now; by... breeding, the French population out, and slowly stepping into their political system as they grew in numbers and gain the majority... as well as in other European Nations, where things they find offensive to their religion, are forcing governments to bow, bend over and change their laws to favor them and their religious laws?
How many freedoms must we sit back and watch be given away because of what they find offensive?
Or should we take the fight to them; force them to fight us on a battlefield of our choice rather then one of theirs?
They will not stop... until the entire world belongs to them once more, and until then, every hand in the world will be against them; and their hand will be against the world... and before the eyes of the rest of the world, they will forever dwell in the east and remain hostile towards all others...
Genesis 16: 11-12
It does'nt matter what your political views are on this... because sure they may have failed to break us through our Economy... but American arrogance has allowed them to break us on another front... Through our own political system, they've turned us all against each other... we chose the battlefield but they're using it, and our own arrogant pride to turn us against each other...
What will it take for every American to stand United once more? United we Stand, Divided we Fall... and right now, we're divided. ...so our fall is imminent, and they're pushing us there, and we're letting it happen.
What will it take to wake the sleeping giant once more?
9/11 sure didn't do it... just stirred the sleeping giant, but it did not awaken it... so what will it take?
