Consistent P060E & P2135
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Consistent P060E & P2135
The title sums things up. I had the issue and after performing the below steps it disappeared for nearly a year and is now back.
Last year I did the following to address, and temporarily resolve, the issue(s):
Last week we got reduced engine power and the parts store said it was a small vacuums leak and cleared the code. I replaced the gas cap and a few days later the CEL and Reduced Power warning band back on.
Today, I had the codes checked again and had the all too familiar P060E & P2135.
There are 2 pages of search results for this combination of codes. I read a few threads which didn't help much and coil not find the related TSB.
Would someone be so kind as to reply with links to the appropriate fix/troubleshooting steps and the related TSB?
Last year I did the following to address, and temporarily resolve, the issue(s):
- I removed and thoroughly cleaned the throttle body.
- I cleaned the electrical connector at the TB and MAF sensor with electrical parts cleaner, blew it dry with compressed air, found no obviously loose wires, and then filled the connector with dielectric grease before reassembling.
- I also noticed a TSB about wire chafing and mickey-moused a solution. I pulled the relevant portion of the wiring harness away from the engine by using a couple of zip ties. I didn't see any chafing, But, I didn't disassemble the entire wire loom and closely inspect anything either.
Last week we got reduced engine power and the parts store said it was a small vacuums leak and cleared the code. I replaced the gas cap and a few days later the CEL and Reduced Power warning band back on.
Today, I had the codes checked again and had the all too familiar P060E & P2135.
There are 2 pages of search results for this combination of codes. I read a few threads which didn't help much and coil not find the related TSB.
Would someone be so kind as to reply with links to the appropriate fix/troubleshooting steps and the related TSB?
Last edited by mobilebyrd; Mar 7, 2016 at 10:16 AM.
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Maybe this is the one.
Pip4549A
#PIP4549A: Various Intermittent DTCs Or Electrical / Communication Concerns - keywords bare battery bracket CEL chaff circuit class2 connection controls crank data DTC ECM engine ground harness high intermittent - (Jan 5, 2009)
Subject: Various Intermittent DTC's or Electrical/Communication Concerns
Models: 2005-2009 Chevrolet Cobalt SS
2005-2009 Chevrolet Cobalt
2006-2009 Chevrolet HHR
2008-2009 Chevrolet HHR SS
2008-2009 Chevrolet Malibu
2007-2009 Pontiac G5
2008-2009 Pontiac G6
2005-2009 Pontiac Pursuit (Canada Only)
2007-2009 Saturn Aura
2005-2007 Saturn Ion
2004-2007 Saturn Ion Redline
2002-2009 Saturn Vue
With any of the following ECOTEC engines:
2.0L Engine (RPO LSJ/LNF)
2.2L Engine (RPO L61/LAP)
2.4L Engine (RPO LE5/LE9/LAT)
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The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
A technician may comment of intermittent CEL, DTC's or No communication with various modules. This may be caused by a short to ground of the vehicle wiring in the engine harness.
Recommendation/Instructions:
The harness may chaff in the area of the Canister Purge Solenoid attachment bracket, causing an intermittent shorting to ground. The harness routing forces the harness into the edge of the bracket. This bracket is present with any Ecotec engine. The Purge Solenoid bracket may have a sharp edge from the manufacturing/shearing operation. If any DTCs are setting consistently, perform the eSI diagnostics and repair as necessary. If the eSI diagnostics do not isolate the concern, inspect the engine harness for potential shorts to ground at the EVAP purge valve bracket on the side of the cylinder head. Then repair and reposition the circuits/harness as necessary.
Note: To prevent future chaffing remove the sharp edge from the purge solenoid bracket and add conduit to the engine harness at the ECM and Purge Solenoid harness breakout.
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This PI applies to all DTCs Listed below:
P0326 P0335 P060E P0561 P0651 P2120 P2122 P2123 P2125 P2127 P2128 P2135 P2138 U1863 U1886 U1899 U2105 U2106 U2107 U2143
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Last edited by ChevyMgr; 06-03-2009 at 10:35 AM. Reason: added Codes
#PIP4549A: Various Intermittent DTCs Or Electrical / Communication Concerns - keywords bare battery bracket CEL chaff circuit class2 connection controls crank data DTC ECM engine ground harness high intermittent - (Jan 5, 2009)
Subject: Various Intermittent DTC's or Electrical/Communication Concerns
Models: 2005-2009 Chevrolet Cobalt SS
2005-2009 Chevrolet Cobalt
2006-2009 Chevrolet HHR
2008-2009 Chevrolet HHR SS
2008-2009 Chevrolet Malibu
2007-2009 Pontiac G5
2008-2009 Pontiac G6
2005-2009 Pontiac Pursuit (Canada Only)
2007-2009 Saturn Aura
2005-2007 Saturn Ion
2004-2007 Saturn Ion Redline
2002-2009 Saturn Vue
With any of the following ECOTEC engines:
2.0L Engine (RPO LSJ/LNF)
2.2L Engine (RPO L61/LAP)
2.4L Engine (RPO LE5/LE9/LAT)
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The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
A technician may comment of intermittent CEL, DTC's or No communication with various modules. This may be caused by a short to ground of the vehicle wiring in the engine harness.
Recommendation/Instructions:
The harness may chaff in the area of the Canister Purge Solenoid attachment bracket, causing an intermittent shorting to ground. The harness routing forces the harness into the edge of the bracket. This bracket is present with any Ecotec engine. The Purge Solenoid bracket may have a sharp edge from the manufacturing/shearing operation. If any DTCs are setting consistently, perform the eSI diagnostics and repair as necessary. If the eSI diagnostics do not isolate the concern, inspect the engine harness for potential shorts to ground at the EVAP purge valve bracket on the side of the cylinder head. Then repair and reposition the circuits/harness as necessary.
Note: To prevent future chaffing remove the sharp edge from the purge solenoid bracket and add conduit to the engine harness at the ECM and Purge Solenoid harness breakout.
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This PI applies to all DTCs Listed below:
P0326 P0335 P060E P0561 P0651 P2120 P2122 P2123 P2125 P2127 P2128 P2135 P2138 U1863 U1886 U1899 U2105 U2106 U2107 U2143
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Last edited by ChevyMgr; 06-03-2009 at 10:35 AM. Reason: added Codes
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Thanks for the post and link RJ_RS_SS_350.
I'm going to update my original post with the following information.
Should the wires going in or out of a connector have Any slack at all? IE: Is a little wiggle OK or should they be rock solid?
Are there other connectors/pins I should check which aren't directly attached to the throttle body? If so, would someone please provide as much detail as possible so I may, hopefully, be able to find an image or a "how to" article identifying the connector location and how to inspect it.
If the problem persists after recleaning and regreasing I'll order a pin puller (need one for other projects as well) and borrow a friends crimper (two neighbors are mechanics) and simply pull/inspect/recrimp everything I can one weekend.
I'm going to update my original post with the following information.
Last year when troubleshooting the issue I noticed that TSB and mickey-moused a solution. I pulled the wiring running through that area away from the engine by using a couple of zip ties. I didn't see any chafing, but, I didn't disassemble the entire wire loom and closely inspect anything either.
Should the wires going in or out of a connector have Any slack at all? IE: Is a little wiggle OK or should they be rock solid?Are there other connectors/pins I should check which aren't directly attached to the throttle body? If so, would someone please provide as much detail as possible so I may, hopefully, be able to find an image or a "how to" article identifying the connector location and how to inspect it.
If the problem persists after recleaning and regreasing I'll order a pin puller (need one for other projects as well) and borrow a friends crimper (two neighbors are mechanics) and simply pull/inspect/recrimp everything I can one weekend.
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I wanted to add that my wife's radio is also acting up. The display will read gibberish and, upon being whacked, like the Fonz whacks a jukebox, it will read correctly. It will also have as mind if it's own when you press a button to change the station (some times it works, some times it doesn't). This seems like an electrical issue but I'm not sure where to look.
Tonight, I cleaned the connections on the TB and MAF again, scrubbed then with a brass brush, applied electrical grease and reassembled. I also checked the PCV line/valve and it's not clogged. There wasn't any apparent abrasion in the wiring related to Pip4549A, but, it was getting dark and I couldn't see well. I'll recheck tomorrow.
After disassembly, cleaning grading and reassembly, the check engine light stayed on and the automatic transmission started shifting very quickly and abruptly but at the appropriate RPM (like a TCM tuned for a race car...unsubtle).
Any ideas? I'm going to have the codes cleared tomorrow and check the position sensor on the pedal.
Tonight, I cleaned the connections on the TB and MAF again, scrubbed then with a brass brush, applied electrical grease and reassembled. I also checked the PCV line/valve and it's not clogged. There wasn't any apparent abrasion in the wiring related to Pip4549A, but, it was getting dark and I couldn't see well. I'll recheck tomorrow.
After disassembly, cleaning grading and reassembly, the check engine light stayed on and the automatic transmission started shifting very quickly and abruptly but at the appropriate RPM (like a TCM tuned for a race car...unsubtle).
Any ideas? I'm going to have the codes cleared tomorrow and check the position sensor on the pedal.
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The hard shifting is most likely caused by the CEL. It's gone to "limp mode" or whatever you want to call it.
The radio problems. Had the exact same symptoms with mine before. It was checked by the dealer and determined to be a bad internal connection. Got mine replaced under warranty.
The radio problems. Had the exact same symptoms with mine before. It was checked by the dealer and determined to be a bad internal connection. Got mine replaced under warranty.
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Don't clear codes!!!!!!!!
How about the ECM connectors, the fuse box halves?
This is not the same symptoms, but explains:
Also, see:
https://www.chevyhhr.net/forums/how-...cations-56504/
How about the ECM connectors, the fuse box halves?
This is not the same symptoms, but explains:
Also, see:
https://www.chevyhhr.net/forums/how-...cations-56504/
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Morning donbrew,
Thanks for posting the video and a link to the ground locations.
Do you have any general instructions, or links to a video or write-up, on checking the ECM?
I've never checked or removed one before.
The following codes, recorded over the last week, were cleared earlier this morning:The CEL didn't come back on during my whopping 3 mile drive back home, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time.
The transmission still has a short/snappy upshift from 1st-2nd but smooths out for the remaining upshifts.
Next weekend I plan on:
Later in the month I plan on:
Thanks for posting the video and a link to the ground locations.
Do you have any general instructions, or links to a video or write-up, on checking the ECM?
I've never checked or removed one before.
The following codes, recorded over the last week, were cleared earlier this morning:
- P0102
- P060E
- P2135
The transmission still has a short/snappy upshift from 1st-2nd but smooths out for the remaining upshifts.
Next weekend I plan on:
- Pulling, cleaning and reinstalling the fuse box halves
- changing the transmission fluid/filter
Later in the month I plan on:
- replacing the factory speakers
- pulling the radio to verify the connections are secure
- create and install a grounding kit for the vehicle (Engine, Trans, Body, etc).
Don't clear codes!!!!!!!!
How about the ECM connectors, the fuse box halves?
This is not the same symptoms, but explains:
2006 Chevy HHR Dash Gauges and Dash Lights Intermittent Issues - YouTube
Also, see:
https://www.chevyhhr.net/forums/how-...cations-56504/
How about the ECM connectors, the fuse box halves?
This is not the same symptoms, but explains:
2006 Chevy HHR Dash Gauges and Dash Lights Intermittent Issues - YouTube
Also, see:
https://www.chevyhhr.net/forums/how-...cations-56504/
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The ECM is the larger of the 2 modules under the Darth Vader hood. Just figure out the connector lock and unplug it, AFTER YOU DISCONNECT BATTERY NEGATIVE. Then inspect the pins.
P0102 is the MAF circuit which could take us back to wires or you forgot to hook it back up.
The trans problem is a result of whatever is causing the P0102. Fix it and the trans will work right.
Have your battery load tested, there seems to even be a TSB about a bad battery causing exactly those codes.
Google is good! Just input the code and hit enter.
P0102 is the MAF circuit which could take us back to wires or you forgot to hook it back up.
The trans problem is a result of whatever is causing the P0102. Fix it and the trans will work right.
Have your battery load tested, there seems to even be a TSB about a bad battery causing exactly those codes.
Google is good! Just input the code and hit enter.