Multiple CEL, car stalls consistently.
02-22-2022, 12:53 AM
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Multiple CEL, car stalls consistently.
Let me start by saying sorry if this is in the wrong section.
I've been using google for the past few months for multiple things on my 2011 HHR, most of which have led me here; So now that I'm registered, thanks for what you guys have helped me with (indirectly) thus far!
Now, on to my current issue -
I have 3 CEL codes that were thrown on my scanner:
P0016
P0017
P0335
2.2 is the engine, by the way.
Based on what I have found through here, at least the 16 and 17 point to timing chain replacement. However I'm not having much luck in terms of finding anyone who is willing to do it in my area, so I'm looking to get my hands dirty.
I did some other random things like cleaning the MAF sensor and checking the air filter today just on the off chance it was as simple as that to get it running, however that was to no avail.
I did however attempt to start it, and recorded a video.
Forgive the lower audio when the screen goes black, but that was when I went to rev the engine. Also, side note, there is no screw or grommet on the left front of the air filter case which is why it seems extremely loose.
Basically, I feel confident in saying the timing chain needs replaced, but based off of that video, is there an underlying issue I am unaware of?
Thanks in advance!
I've been using google for the past few months for multiple things on my 2011 HHR, most of which have led me here; So now that I'm registered, thanks for what you guys have helped me with (indirectly) thus far!
Now, on to my current issue -
I have 3 CEL codes that were thrown on my scanner:
P0016
P0017
P0335
2.2 is the engine, by the way.
Based on what I have found through here, at least the 16 and 17 point to timing chain replacement. However I'm not having much luck in terms of finding anyone who is willing to do it in my area, so I'm looking to get my hands dirty.
I did some other random things like cleaning the MAF sensor and checking the air filter today just on the off chance it was as simple as that to get it running, however that was to no avail.
I did however attempt to start it, and recorded a video.
Forgive the lower audio when the screen goes black, but that was when I went to rev the engine. Also, side note, there is no screw or grommet on the left front of the air filter case which is why it seems extremely loose.
Basically, I feel confident in saying the timing chain needs replaced, but based off of that video, is there an underlying issue I am unaware of?
Thanks in advance!
02-22-2022, 07:59 AM
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Welcome to the site, yes timing chain problem.
https://www.chevyhhr.net/forums/how-...in-kits-60394/
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02-22-2022, 08:05 AM
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Stop driving it. Stop starting it. Do not let anyone else attempt to start it until it proven that the cam timing is correct, which it probably isn’t. If the valves are already bent, new chains won’t fix it. With a lot of luck, the timing chain is only off a link or two. With unbelievable luck, it really is the crank sensor, but it sounds like rattling chains.
You could take a chance and drive it gently to the shop when you find one, but it’s a gamble.
You could take a chance and drive it gently to the shop when you find one, but it’s a gamble.
02-22-2022, 08:33 AM
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Did anyone suggest checking the wires going to the crankshaft sensor or the fuse? P0335 is the crankshaft CIRCUIT problem; if the crankshaft sensor isn't working obviously there will be a correlation problem. CIRCUIT implies either a compromised wire or a bad sensor.
Hard to believe no shop is willing to charge you $1,000 for a 3 hour job.
Hard to believe no shop is willing to charge you $1,000 for a 3 hour job.
02-22-2022, 08:44 AM
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That P0335 could be from the timing chain problem
A P0335 "check engine light" code could be caused by: Damaged CKP sensor connector Damaged reluctor ring (missing teeth or not turning due to sheared-off keyway) Sensor output open Sensor output shorted to ground Sensor output shorted to voltage Failed crank sensor Broken timing chain or belt Failed PCM
Read more at: https://www.obd-codes.com/p0335
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A P0335 "check engine light" code could be caused by: Damaged CKP sensor connector Damaged reluctor ring (missing teeth or not turning due to sheared-off keyway) Sensor output open Sensor output shorted to ground Sensor output shorted to voltage Failed crank sensor Broken timing chain or belt Failed PCM
Read more at: https://www.obd-codes.com/p0335
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02-22-2022, 09:29 AM
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NO, it is the circuit not the data. Both P0016 and P0017 are for "camshaft/crankshaft correlation" Most Autozone guys will sell a Crankshaft sensor instead of the chain; it is very unusual to have the P0335 at the same time for the chain. Not to mention it is rare to have both P0016 and P0017 at the same time without a broken chain, then there would still be no
P0335 since the circuit is not affected by the mechanical problem.
The sensor is a coil of wire, so it is possible the circuit malfunction is internal to the sensor, more likely the wires or fuse.
P0016 usually is a stretched chain. P0017 is usually a skipped link.
The P0335 causes the other 2.
Whoever wrote the obd-codes article is wrong about that. Logic works.
P0335 since the circuit is not affected by the mechanical problem.
The sensor is a coil of wire, so it is possible the circuit malfunction is internal to the sensor, more likely the wires or fuse.
P0016 usually is a stretched chain. P0017 is usually a skipped link.
The P0335 causes the other 2.
Whoever wrote the obd-codes article is wrong about that. Logic works.
02-22-2022, 11:09 AM
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Stop driving it. Stop starting it. Do not let anyone else attempt to start it until it proven that the cam timing is correct, which it probably isn’t. If the valves are already bent, new chains won’t fix it. With a lot of luck, the timing chain is only off a link or two. With unbelievable luck, it really is the crank sensor, but it sounds like rattling chains. You could take a chance and drive it gently to the shop when you find one, but it’s a gamble.
Did anyone suggest checking the wires going to the crankshaft sensor or the fuse? P0335 is the crankshaft CIRCUIT problem; if the crankshaft sensor isn't working obviously there will be a correlation problem. CIRCUIT implies either a compromised wire or a bad sensor. Hard to believe no shop is willing to charge you $1,000 for a 3 hour job.
NO, it is the circuit not the data. Both P0016 and P0017 are for "camshaft/crankshaft correlation" Most Autozone guys will sell a Crankshaft sensor instead of the chain; it is very unusual to have the P0335 at the same time for the chain. Not to mention it is rare to have both P0016 and P0017 at the same time without a broken chain, then there would still be no
P0335 since the circuit is not affected by the mechanical problem.
The sensor is a coil of wire, so it is possible the circuit malfunction is internal to the sensor, more likely the wires or fuse.
P0016 usually is a stretched chain. P0017 is usually a skipped link.
The P0335 causes the other 2.
Whoever wrote the obd-codes article is wrong about that. Logic works.
P0335 since the circuit is not affected by the mechanical problem.
The sensor is a coil of wire, so it is possible the circuit malfunction is internal to the sensor, more likely the wires or fuse.
P0016 usually is a stretched chain. P0017 is usually a skipped link.
The P0335 causes the other 2.
Whoever wrote the obd-codes article is wrong about that. Logic works.
Thanks for the responses so far!