2.0L Performance Tech 260hp (235hp auto) Turbocharged SS tuner version. 260 lb-ft of torque

What's up with HAHN?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 9, 2009 | 05:29 PM
  #21  
EcoBoost's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: 11-15-2007
Posts: 282
From: Yorkville, IL
Originally Posted by Gmando
You know, this has been the word around town. Folks have been telling me that they seem to be trying to get as much as they can with what they have done and that they seem to be getting out of the game. This is nuts because I know lots of folks that are depending on them and that will back them as long as they are here for us. You see they actioned off that ride, they might be doing the close out sale thing.

HAHN, WHAT IS UP??????? HELLO!!!!!
I think my explanation so far might suffice for this, but if it didn't, please let me know.

We'll be auctioning off more unique cars too, for our current fleet has grown too large. We're in the process of change, and we have some VERY good news regarding our facilities (more news on that when I make the official announcements). I choose to use my own forms of personal auctions, for it helps me get to the best people and the best price...eBay and other sites just don't work as well, as they can be too broad for our niche markets. Don't let it sway you into thinking we're in trouble

Sure, it's not unknown that our new product development halted, and yes...that too can lead to all sorts of nasty rumors. Again, should you be curious, just ask...I'll be happy to give you the straight story, right from the horse's mouth. Rumors be damned!
Old Dec 9, 2009 | 05:33 PM
  #22  
GDZHHR's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 04-30-2006
Posts: 9,149
From: Maryland Heights, MO
Originally Posted by GDZHHR
Hahn is a non-player for new products. He had my HHR for over ten months to get a turbo set-up for the 2.4 and never finished. I finally had to tell him NO MORE! So he still doesn't have a kit because he never really did the tune.

Believe nothing he says.
Originally Posted by GDZHHR
I was at Hahn RaceCraft back in January and the shop was packed with cars, warehouse/shipping/fabrication was busy and the phones were ringing. In October, shop had three cars in it including mine, nothing happening in warehouse/shipping/fabrication and the phones were dead. Down to four employees as near as I could tell and that included Bill and his wife. BTW, they are shutting down and moving to a much smaller shop, likely won't have their own dyno anymore.

Stick a fork in 'em, they're done!
Originally Posted by bartSS
HAHN has lost all credability on css.net. They had one of they guys car for over 4 months and didnt even tune it and managed to blow up the motor as well
Originally Posted by XXL
I've had a 15+ year relationship with him (and Bill, Sr.) that he managed to piss away in less than a year... with failed commitment after failed commitment, and all the phone calls asking me not to discuss problems I experienced with his products in the car forums, and all the excuses that essentially were "I need you to bear the burden of my business problems."

For those of you on his spamlist, you will have gotten his "we're auctioning away this brand new racecar" message, designed to sound like some kind of super-duper promo. Then, a few weeks later, a followup email indicating that they were now "disclosing the reserve," which probably meant that nobody bit the hook the first time. He's clearly jettisoning everything he can get a few bucks out of; as mentioned above, he's bailing out of the shop he's got. He may be only a heartbeat away from locking the doors... one of the Cobalt guys still has his car there (or did the last time I checked in on the discussion). My advice to him and anyone else who has personal property inside of Hahn's facilities... get it out quickly. If he is indeed about to go under, all he has to do is toss a few mechanic's leans on the customer cars he's got and your car will be stuck in hostageland until you pony up $$$... even if he hasn't done what he was commissioned to do, or what you expected to do, or to the level you expected.

Regardless of his current business condition, or what the future may hold, he won't see another dime from me. And if he's the only one with something on the market that I'm looking for, I'll make my own or do without.
Originally Posted by mistermike
Sorry for your losses. Glad to hear things aren't as bad as the internet makes them out to be. Best of luck getting things back up to speed.
When the only good you are hearing is from the same person most others are saying is the problem, I would tend to not right off what the "internet" is saying. I can document all of my issues, as others have.

Just because he comes by here and spouts the same lines he's been feeding people for many konths, does NOT meant that all is well. Maybe he is just covering his rear. He also lectured me before he would finally release my car that I was not allowed to even post pictures of my car without his permission! He is very afraid of people telling the truth. I should have my story documented in great detail soon. Just have to finish my time line and review.

IMHO, Hahn RaceCraft has no credibility.
Old Dec 9, 2009 | 05:38 PM
  #23  
EcoBoost's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: 11-15-2007
Posts: 282
From: Yorkville, IL
Originally Posted by bartSS
HAHN has lost all credability on css.net. They had one of they guys car for over 4 months and didnt even tune it and managed to blow up the motor as well
I'd have to disagree...while you may well be seeing the most vocal people on CSS.net, we still draw a large amount of our sales from there. We'll be working our way over to that forum soon too, as my catching up continues...

The car you speak of was indeed caught in the vortex of this year's challenges. It was, and has always been, wonderfully tuned, making great power and very driveable, just like the other Cobalts we've done this to (starting with our own, of course). It did not ever blow an engine.

What it DID do was break in a fashion that would have been covered by GM, had the owner not already decided to modify his car and void his warranty. In short, it failed a lash adjuster and rocker arm, causing one cylinder to run on a single exhaust valve. It's an odd failure to track down, for depending on the mode the DI runs in, it is more apparent at some times, while at other times the problem can feel almost gone. Needless to say, with one cylinder having only 3 out of 4 valves functional, it seemed to run on 3.5 cylinders.

The gist is this...we did not cause the failure, and it happened while the customer was operating the car. Our labor shortage prevented us from finding this mysterious issue as quickly as I'd have liked. He rather freaked out on being away form his car so long, and who could blame him; thus his venting online. Fortunately, we and the customer are good now, and I've been personally driving the car to assure it is 100% right before he picks it up this weekend.

Last edited by EcoBoost; Dec 9, 2009 at 10:05 PM.
Old Dec 9, 2009 | 05:49 PM
  #24  
EcoBoost's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: 11-15-2007
Posts: 282
From: Yorkville, IL
Originally Posted by XXL
I've had a 15+ year relationship with him (and Bill, Sr.) that he managed to piss away in less than a year... with failed commitment after failed commitment, and all the phone calls asking me not to discuss problems I experienced with his products in the car forums, and all the excuses that essentially were "I need you to bear the burden of my business problems."
I am indeed sorry to have failed you so severely, although I do take exception with some of your comments.

If you would not mind, please share with the people here, just in greater detail, what made you that disappointed...I'd like to address it in open forum. I find the account you present here to be perhaps exaggerated, and I'd like the chance to counterpoint it.
Originally Posted by XXL
For those of you on his spamlist, you will have gotten his "we're auctioning away this brand new racecar" message, designed to sound like some kind of super-duper promo. Then, a few weeks later, a followup email indicating that they were now "disclosing the reserve," which probably meant that nobody bit the hook the first time. He's clearly jettisoning everything he can get a few bucks out of; as mentioned above, he's bailing out of the shop he's got. He may be only a heartbeat away from locking the doors... one of the Cobalt guys still has his car there (or did the last time I checked in on the discussion). My advice to him and anyone else who has personal property inside of Hahn's facilities... get it out quickly. If he is indeed about to go under, all he has to do is toss a few mechanic's leans on the customer cars he's got and your car will be stuck in hostageland until you pony up $$$... even if he hasn't done what he was commissioned to do, or what you expected to do, or to the level you expected.
Wow. Talk about projecting! By the way, it's not a spamlist...most folks on it directly requested to be placed on it.

Our decision to sell a car has never before resulted in such a response as from you here. Under the other circumstances surrounding this year, I can understand some of it, but this...this seems a bit much, even from you! Needless to say, the economy, and the time of year, meant it's the worst time to sell a car this unique, and we had to change up the auction rules a bit midstream to get the ball rolling. You do exaggerate, for it was ONE week later that we sent out the notice of a reserve...not "many weeks" later. More embellishment to drive your "point" home, no doubt. The car did sell, to a business associate of mine, and we will be selling another the same way soon. There will be no need to "sound the alarm" on this next one either.

Should you like to be taken off our mailing list, and I think it would be a good idea if you were, please click the "unsubscribe" in the next mailing.

You need not worry about anyone's personal property here...it has been our only goal to complete it for some months now, and we're just about done. We've taken on but one new project in this time, and much to my delight, the R&D shop is almost empty! I could not say no to the the BullRun Solstice, it's so near and dear to my heart! But we put a moratorium on any other new projects until we got all the old ones done that my absence delayed.
Originally Posted by XXL
Regardless of his current business condition, or what the future may hold, he won't see another dime from me. And if he's the only one with something on the market that I'm looking for, I'll make my own or do without.
Well, we do appear to agree on this, if nothing else. I group you among the customers I define as "inconsolable". I can make my own "projection": the bulk of your posts, in this and other forums, are negative, and you do seem to have a definite hard-on for folks who don't kiss your ass. Please don't ask me to again!

Last edited by EcoBoost; Dec 9, 2009 at 06:24 PM.
Old Dec 9, 2009 | 06:03 PM
  #25  
EcoBoost's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: 11-15-2007
Posts: 282
From: Yorkville, IL
Originally Posted by Gmando
I've called the shop a few times and you use to be able to get a live person, but recently the answering service says to leave a message and they will return your call or to send an email. The only way you can get to talk to someone is if you press "to place an order" then you get a live person ready to snatch that cash out of your hands in a jiffy. I just spent the max for the Halloween special they had and I was willing to spend lots more if they get their ****e together. The funny thing is that as far as our cars, they have the hard parts done; all they need to come up with is a BOV and a CAI.
You have happened upon our new Telephone Model! Thanks for pointing it out. I'll explain:

In this economy, we've been forced to pare our staff down to just the most key positions: telephone sales people were some of the positions eliminated. However, we found that the bulk of the sales calls we were still getting were major time-wasters...mostly folks looking for a few gaskets, or to shoot the breeze about products they had no money for, or milk us for information so they could "build their own" and in actuality, not spend a dime with us. In a down economy, this can be a result. It was a result exacerbated by our saturation into the marketplace...everyone knows about us, and unfortunately, many of them are just not viable customers.

I was pained to have my actual cutomers' orders sit untended while my valuable personnel were being wasted by such callers. I had to make a change. So, we decided that it was the path of least resistance to only return calls, and it's worked well..those who were serious about actully buying something worthy of a detailed sales call with a skilled person would leave messages or email us, and the gasket-purchasers placed their orders online...the tire-kickers and information-stealers would not even leave a message.

I hate to sound harsh, but...this new model works very well for those who don't need a lot of hand-holding, know what they want, and are ready to place their orders. They are actually quite numerous. They get the front of the line during times such as these for us. We've got a good enough reputation that we don't need a lot of "quality time" selling people in our products, and we can thus survive quite well just returning calls. The folks who need some quality time will get it either in a return call, or an email. In time, we may put more salespeople on telephone duty, but only if the business model will support it.
Originally Posted by Gmando
I hope they pull it together, I know that a lot of folks bit off a little more than they could chew a couple of years ago before the economy went down the crapper, but what you will find is that when this is all over with only the true and honest good guys will be left standing and all the fakers will be weeded out. I hope that Hahn will be around since he claims to be “THE MAN” when it comes to our engines. He’s built the name, if I had the reputation he has, I would never let it tarnish.
You, sir, are very correct. We've been here a long time, and our resilience during times of great strife has kept us going, time after time. The double-whammy of the economy and my long, unplanned absences has been immense, and a lesser company might have fallen by now. I have been working "behind the scenes" preparing some great news for all of you, and soon, it will be all out there. It's awesome!
Old Dec 9, 2009 | 06:29 PM
  #26  
EcoBoost's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: 11-15-2007
Posts: 282
From: Yorkville, IL
Originally Posted by Gmando
Funny thing, I just checked out there site and they had a Cyber Monday sale where they mentioned "Closeout" on one of their older kits. I wonder if this is the start of things rolling down hill. They might be trying to bounce back with all of these sales or are they doing the Circuit City thing to disappear?
I hope they get back on track.
I'm also glad you mentioned this! We do close out obsolete and old systems from time to time, but have not done it enough as of late. Perhaps the down economy has made me less willing to shed old, less profitable lines. But now, I am re-firing the boilers...If anything, what you are starting to see is the beginning of us rolling UPHILL! By closing out this old product, we free up our resources, facility, and future accordingly, so as to accomodate new product. There will be more closeouts to come!
Originally Posted by Gmando

Another thing that just came to mind now that the cat seems to be coming out of the bag; when I was installing my Hahn exhaust a weeks ago. I was checking it out and I might be wrong but I don't think I am wrong, on their site they say that they are selling you a stainless steel exhaust. What I noticed is that they seem to have used a mild steel or regular muffler pipe and dipped/chromed the parts. Stainless is hard and doesn't bend easily, but the material they used is malleable and I was able to lightly tap the edge of one of the pipes that arrived bent and with two light taps it moved, stainless does not do this, it’s pretty hard to bend or cut. Also, the pipe was grey on the inside, stainless from what I’ve seen is silver or a sort of brownish tinge if not polished. Like I said, I might be wrong, but I don’t think I am. I put it on and it sounds great and the gains are there, and I didn’t want to believe HAHN would do such a thing, now I have my doubts since hearing all of this. $600 bucks is a lot of money for something that may rust/rot out. I may pull it off and have it checked out.
What you have is definitively stainless steel. You are indeed wrong, and you did let the rumors and speculation get to you. I hold no ill will; we are all but human, and react in human ways. You're no exception
Old Dec 9, 2009 | 06:31 PM
  #27  
EcoBoost's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: 11-15-2007
Posts: 282
From: Yorkville, IL
Originally Posted by bunkie
There are ways to tell if your pipe material is indeed stainless, probably the easiest is with a magnet. Some poor alloys can still be somewhat magnetic they will not be as strong as steel. Normally #316 is used in that application and will not be magnetic. I hope that can be helpful.
We use 304, just as a note.
Old Dec 9, 2009 | 06:31 PM
  #28  
EcoBoost's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: 11-15-2007
Posts: 282
From: Yorkville, IL
Originally Posted by asanti
Holy crap this thread is an eye opener....
You ain't just kidding!
Old Dec 9, 2009 | 06:34 PM
  #29  
EcoBoost's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: 11-15-2007
Posts: 282
From: Yorkville, IL
Originally Posted by Gmando
I emailed and called Hahn 2 days ago and in the e-mail to them I pasted the comments in this thread and expressed my concerns with the HHR SS exhaust system I purchased from them. I mentioned how I didn't believe that it is stainless steel and how it's a sloppy job being that they CHOPPED off/CUT one of the hangers leaving sharp edges. Not having that hanger is causing the system rattle and smack against the sides while driving. I have had it adjusted twice and nothing has stopped it and they told me I need to have a hanger welded in the correct location. It seems as if they took the Cobalt exhaust they sell and hacked it up to make a quick sale. To correct this they would need to weld a hanger to match the existing one already on the HHR so you could use those black rubber muffler fasteners again to stabilize it, but being that they cut the one off and didn’t relocate/add it where it should go I’m screwed and have to pay to have it fixed. I wrote and called Hahn 2 days ago and NO Response from them. It sounds good, but the smacking has to go.
If you've still not received a response, let me know which extension or email addy you used. Of course,we've also transitioned to a new Tech Support system, and questions of this nature would typically be handled by that department. You can't leave a voicemail for Technical Support...perhaps that's the holdup. In any case, you let me know if you need anything else, either on thsi thread or via PM. I am also catching up on PM's here now.
Old Dec 9, 2009 | 06:36 PM
  #30  
EcoBoost's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: 11-15-2007
Posts: 282
From: Yorkville, IL
Folks, you may have noticed that I am not replying to Mike Long's posts. I have been advised by counsel not to do so. I wish it had not come to this, but as I've said...some folks understand what's happened to us this year here, and some do not.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:02 PM.