Had a BIG problem this morning....
02-20-2008, 10:47 AM
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Had a BIG problem this morning....
So, I wake up and it was -36˚F outside. As I get ready to leave I start the HHR with the factory remote starter and let it run to warmup. I hit the time limit and the HHR shuts off, no big deal as I was on my way out the door. When I get in the HHR I put the key in the ignition and turn the key, I get a message that says SERVICE AIRBAG and the car will not start. I think that maybe the cold weather has taken its toll on the HHR, but everything else works fine - lights are on, heater fan is running and everything else seems fine.... So I try to start it again, still nothing. Now i am getting a little upset as I am sitting in the HHR that is not very warm because of the -36˚ outside and the HHR is not running. I try the remote start again, lock the doors, hit the started and nothing.... So I unlock the doors with a double push of the remote and set the keys on the dash. I start to take out the manual to see if I can find anything about the SERVICE AIRBAG massage and that when it happens...... The HHR starts on its own 
Now I was not touching the keys and did not have the keys in the ignition.... There is not way the HHR should have started with the doors unlocked and no one operating the remote...
SO, what do you think happened here?? What is the deal with the SERVICE AIRBAG message on the display??
Now I was not touching the keys and did not have the keys in the ignition.... There is not way the HHR should have started with the doors unlocked and no one operating the remote...SO, what do you think happened here?? What is the deal with the SERVICE AIRBAG message on the display??
02-20-2008, 11:35 AM
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Just -36˚ when I was sitting at home, but the HHR will still only read to -22 but on the way to work it read -----˚F. Blanked right out this time.....
02-20-2008, 01:05 PM
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HHRs(as well as almost all current production GM) starters are activated like this.
key in and turn to acc: +12 volts applied to acc curcuits
key to ignition: +12 volts is applied to acc and ign.
key to start: +12 volts is sent to starter as -12volts is sent to ign and acc.
the process of starting BEGINS when the key is moved from acc to ign to start and it ENDS when the vehicle starts...not when you turn back the key like older cars.
The car simply was carrying out the last comand you gave it when it was able to do so. Since you also tried to remote start, the passkey+ system was also bypassed for one startup cycle.
The airbag light was brought about since second ign and second acc were not inergized appropriately and in the correct sequence.
In short... get the car serviced.
key in and turn to acc: +12 volts applied to acc curcuits
key to ignition: +12 volts is applied to acc and ign.
key to start: +12 volts is sent to starter as -12volts is sent to ign and acc.
the process of starting BEGINS when the key is moved from acc to ign to start and it ENDS when the vehicle starts...not when you turn back the key like older cars.
The car simply was carrying out the last comand you gave it when it was able to do so. Since you also tried to remote start, the passkey+ system was also bypassed for one startup cycle.
The airbag light was brought about since second ign and second acc were not inergized appropriately and in the correct sequence.
In short... get the car serviced.
02-20-2008, 03:30 PM
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HHRs(as well as almost all current production GM) starters are activated like this.
key in and turn to acc: +12 volts applied to acc curcuits
key to ignition: +12 volts is applied to acc and ign.
key to start: +12 volts is sent to starter as -12volts is sent to ign and acc.
the process of starting BEGINS when the key is moved from acc to ign to start and it ENDS when the vehicle starts...not when you turn back the key like older cars.
key in and turn to acc: +12 volts applied to acc curcuits
key to ignition: +12 volts is applied to acc and ign.
key to start: +12 volts is sent to starter as -12volts is sent to ign and acc.
the process of starting BEGINS when the key is moved from acc to ign to start and it ENDS when the vehicle starts...not when you turn back the key like older cars.
Couple of dumb questions come to mind.
So in theory you could hold the key in the start position forever once it started without damaging anything?
If ign is not getting voltage (-12) in the start position how does it have ign current to run with, some kind of starter / ign bypass?
Thanks.
02-21-2008, 11:14 AM
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Oh Sh$% moment. Nothing happened 
No starter grind. 