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Old May 22, 2015 | 04:26 PM
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Big turbo and cams on an automatic

I have an '09 automatic and I plan on installing a .63a/r gt2871r and cams in my hhr. The cams are machined Equinox cams with a larger fuel lobe. First question, since it's an automatic and holds boost during shifts, a VTA blowoff valve wouldn't hurt performance, would it? Second question, the cams are equivalent to ZZP stage 2 cams with the bigger lobe, I need valve springs, right? Third question, I figure I'll be close to 400whp and I have no idea what the torque will be like, will the transmission hold up? I have the TTR motor mount, would a decent trans mount help protect my trans from breaking?
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Old May 22, 2015 | 04:42 PM
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Per GM....

2009 Hydra-Matic 4T45 Transaxle ( MN5 ) Prduced from 3/18/2008 onward.

Type: four speed front-wheel-drive, electronically controlled, automatic overdrive transaxle with electronically controlled torque converter clutch.

Engine range: 2.2L - 3.5L

Maximum engine torque: 221 lb-ft (300 Nm)
Maximum gearbox torque: 325 lb-ft (440 Nm)

Gear ratios:

First: 2.95
Second: 1.62
Third: 1.00
Fourth: 0.68
Reverse: 2.14

They'll take 300+ hp reliably, 400 hp and above may require some beefing up of internal components.

Try a Google search on Performance Hydra-Matic transmission builders.
Old May 22, 2015 | 08:22 PM
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if you email zzp they may give some advise. I know there's company right now that will go through the trans and gears put a bigger torque converter and make it a 3 speed. I read the article and was empressed, it can handle a lot more HP. I would definitely get a good trans cooler, like this one,
Transmission Rebuild Components & Cooling - MAPerformance


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Old May 22, 2015 | 09:31 PM
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I've been pushing 450'lb of torque, thru it, for years...
Stock trans is quite strong.
Proper HP tuning is required, to make it live long & prosper...
Old May 22, 2015 | 10:01 PM
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Those are some amazing horsepower and torque figures for a four banger!
Old May 23, 2015 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Benjiwah
Those are some amazing horsepower and torque figures for a four banger!
Over-boosting, on Ethanol, for massive torque gains...
Walking the fine-line, between massive torque / massive destruction...
Not for the faint of heart...
But the 4t45e, handles it well, just as strong today, as it was 5 years ago...
Old May 27, 2015 | 09:29 PM
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The guy that rebuilt my auto trans (planetary gear blew up) at 66,000 didn't seem to think it was built to handle the tune....When I told him it was tuned and probably close to 300 lbs/ft of tq he was sure that was the cause...I also have no changes to the transmission with my tune....so that could have been my problem?
Old May 28, 2015 | 08:26 AM
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I limit boost in 1st 12 to 15 lbs, then go to 25 to 28lbs. The 60 roll seems like the most abuse mine gets, but ok after 6 months.
Old Jun 23, 2015 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 2005HHRauto
I've been pushing 450'lb of torque, thru it, for years...
Stock trans is quite strong.
Proper HP tuning is required, to make it live long & prosper...
You have the automatic? What turbo are you running? I know a small T3 isn't very easy on the transmission because it's so snappy.
Old Jun 23, 2015 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by badassbowtie
The guy that rebuilt my auto trans (planetary gear blew up) at 66,000 didn't seem to think it was built to handle the tune....When I told him it was tuned and probably close to 300 lbs/ft of tq he was sure that was the cause...I also have no changes to the transmission with my tune....so that could have been my problem?
It must have been a bad tune, the turbo upgrade reflash gives 315ft.lbs I believe. In theory, when properly tuned, they should be stronger and faster than a manual



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