..... after I got busted shoplifting as a kid..... I never stole again after that. One time in trouble learnt me good.
I had to answer up to my folks if I did. That alone was a deterrent!

 

I thought these kids were just playing on the roof, who`s doing serious stuff here?
Shoplifting is a different thing, I was concerned about these kids maybe becoming victims, what a turnaround.
Sorta like speeding, 5mph over the same as 45-50mph over... wtf

 

paint ball the speeders too!

 

Okay, apprently i need to clarify my position a little. No problem.

Shooting a spark plug through someone’s window is a whole different scenario than paintballing some kids for goofing around on a roof.

I understand that, the paintball thing was a joke.

I would be pissed if my kid got paintballed for goofing around on a roof, or cutting through a yard, or anything that a kid normally does that us parents no longer do.

Yes, thats the joke part. As long as there has been no property damage, and as long as the kid is polite when i say something to the effect of (making up random scenario here) "please dont ride your bike across the yard, i have a water leak and its making ruts" no problems. Then you have my dads case. He had tried to warn some kids not to ride their four wheeler across is back acreage becasue the mud they were having so much fun churning and rutting up was septic runoff from is full septic tank. They were a beligerant and ran away. The self-righteous, indignant father came over and attempted to be the same way. Unfortunately reasoning in this case doesnt work.



Firstly I would hope that I would raise kids not to do something as extremely bad as firing a spark plug through someone’s window because I try to raise them to respect others property as their own.


Happened to me when i was 17. A fifteen year old slung a sparkplug through my mustangs windshield. I caught him, he wouldnt tell me anything, started fighting with me, so i slung him over my kne and striped him like his parents should have.


But secondly it is my job as the parent to discipline my child. Nothing would infuriate me more than someone physically laying there hands on or harming my child in any way. It's discipline if it's coming from a parent but child abuse and reason to be arrested when its coming from a person other than the child’s parent or guardian. I'm more the type to not involve the police or lawyers and take matters into my own hands which usually gets me in trouble but what can I say other than I'm old school like that.

His father also saw that as his responsibility. When asked if he was going to replace the windshield he replied that his son didnt do it, i must have been mistaken. He also was old-school, as am i. He also didnt have a problem with being over 40, and tryin to whoop a 17 year old. He greatly misjudged his abilities.


What type of example are you setting for that child? You’re not teaching them anything! You are just satisfying yourself in the wrong manner. You're also saying its okay to carryout their actions if not worse as an adult because obviously even though an adult should know better than to harm a child they don't. Even if you’re not that child’s parent you are supposed to be a grown up responsible adult that knows right from wrong. Even strangers actions can have massive impact on a developing child.

The example would be that there are consequences for every action. That would also be the lesson. It would have been much more satisfying to have a new windshield. Strangers can have an impact on a child, if i was playing at some kids house when i was little and any of us mis-behaved, all of us were whooped. Then we were probably gonna get it again when we got home depending on what we had done.

The proper thing to do in a situation where the child won't reveal their parent is to involve the police. See how quick that changes their attitude.

Lol, turns out the kid was the nephew of one of the town cops. not a big help there. I know, odds are that wont be the case but in mine, lol

A lot of children rebel because adult don't know how to properly handle kids and treat them with the same anger they would an adult. Everyone remembers that A-hole in the neighborhood that all the kids hated so they would F with them all the time. The neighborhood A-hole would bring it all on themselves by being a dick to the kids and handling things the wrong way. I take it you don't have kids or know what it's like to be a parent?

No i do not have kids. My ex-gf had two kids though. Also lots of my friends have children and I have a little sister and brother. I undertsand the parental thing, just not the way that peole go about it these days. From what I have seen, time outs do not work. Grounding sometimes works, the main problem with grounding being that the child gets bored, which lead to them acting up, which lead to more items being taken away, so on and so forth. but i have yet so see a hand on the butt fail to stop bad behavior. There is a major exception to this rule... Any child that wears a diaper is exempt!! lol, if you swat a kid with a full pamper, look out!!



Edit: I guess I should add my personal thoughts on parents disciplining their children and share my tale. I am guilty of spanking my older daughter once. About a year ago she was acting really bad and wasn't listening to me I decided that maybe it was time I went my moms route and give her the first spanking. I gave her a little tap on the butt and immediately after I was crushed when she looked at me with her innocent teary big blue eyes with a look that I had just broke a sacred trust. I'm there to protect and care for my kids not hurt them. I had never felt so low or so bad in my life! I started crying and apologized immediately to her and told her I would never hit her again. I had fell victim to my anger which manifested itself in a form of aggression toward my own flesh and blood. I was truly the scum of the earth at that moment. I vowed to myself to never raise a hand to my children again. I always need to remember they are just children no matter how angry they may make me at the time. When my mom would spank me it wouldn't teach me a damn thing but it made her feel better. By hitting my children I would also be teaching them that it is okay to solve your problems with violence which is a fault in me and a lot of my generation and previous generations. It is far more effective and less damaging on the child to sit them down and explain what's wrong with their actions and give them a punishment that they'll actually think and care about like not letting them go outside for a day. It's just not in me to hit my kids.

If that works for you, and for your family then I wish you all the best, and hope that your family continues to be healthy and happy. When the time comes for me to have children i will have to decide what works best for us. Spankings were the only thing that really worked on me. My sister never got spanked, because being grounded or just the "disappointment lecture" is what worked on her. my brother was like me, whoopings it was lol.

And again i am not advocating rounding up children and beating them all within an inch of their lives. Thats not the message that i was trying to convey. Unfortunately when one types a message on the net, it looses the voice inflection which makes it known, o a joke, or sarcasm or whatever. Also when i say kids, i pretty well mean everyone younger than a few years under me (29). I think i covered everything, and i think that this is quit possibly the longest post in history, i know its the longest one by me.

 

lol like i just mention in the worlds longest post, a whack upside the head is the only thing that worked for me. lmao, im 29, and my mother still likes to whack me upside the head when i get smart

 

That one of the many areas we'll agree to disagree on my friend. My take is that all of the stuff blame on modern society and the younger generations isn't their fault, or the medias fault, or video games fault, or heavy metals fault, or any of the many things people pick to blame. It's all the parents fault! I'm raising a little person that has the power to change the world and right the shortcomings of mine and previous generations. I'm not going to repeat the same mistakes. I take an active roll in teaching them right, wrong, and equality. Thats what little bit I can do to change this world with my life. As you know one of my biggest things in life is that everyone is equal regardless of race, color, or sexual preference. I try to raise my daughters the same way and maybe if all parents would do the same we could actually change America for the better. Off my soapbox now........

 

Right on FF


CH I hear ya bro...you have to do what you think is the right thing to do and is best for your family and I'll do the same


Goose

 

now this i can agree with 100%

 

A right wing sailor friend of mine beats his boys regularly. Just does it when he feels they are out of line. Dunno what to make of it. His boys live in fear of him and one son showed how in fear he is when he hung out with my daughter. I was just doing regular things with them, ( My daughter and her friend ) and the boy could not believe I was not going to punish him for opening a door too quick and hard and some such. The boy is always sad eyed and nervous.

My friend says his daddy beat him and his daddy';s daddy beat him, so it is what the Bible says to do . His dad's a preacher.
They have moved back to the south where that stuff sits better , so I do not see them regularly any more.

Not my place to interfere, but I would likely have to if I were in contact regularly and the same aura surrounded the boys.The beatings seem to be taking an emotional toll. I find it hard to be friends with the dad since it all just sits a bit wrong with me.

He just had a baby daughter and was in a quandary as to how to deal with it. He only knew boys, but not girls. Time for him to grow up a little I hope.

 

What`s a "Right wing Sailor"?
You said he beats them when he feels they`re out of line, sounds like a bad situation which probably will go on into the next generation, when this 'kid' becomes a dad and he wants to exact his revenge.