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The problem I really have with most Americans is that everyone was soooo rah-rah-go-USA after 9/11, then when the true cost of war started being played all over the media, all of the sudden we were the bad guys. This happened before we went into Iraq.

The thing that the media and left don't want to admit is that we *did* succeed in victory over Iraq. That was easy. Now it's dealing with the sectarian violence that's pitted neighbor against neighbor, mostly involuntarily.

I have several close friends who have served various roles in O:IF. They tell me that your average Iraqi is so beaten down by years of authoritarian rule that you can't train him to shoot at a silhouette target. Do these honestly sound like the kind of people who are killing our soldiers? It isn't, and the global media does NOT want you to hear that it isn't the Iraqis that are doing most of the killing--it's the extremists coming in from everywhere else.

Was Iraq the right war at the right time? I don't know, and I don't think anyone will ever know for sure. I think there are many issues that many of us will never be privy to observe, and many we would rather not. All I know is that if we really had every American behind this effort just like in WW2, we'd have achieved total victory by now.

Why are Ford and General Motors shutting down plants when there's a shortage of armored vehicles in the war effort? Why are our soldiers rationing food and collecting scrap metal when they should be focused on the fight? Why aren't people motivated to fight an enemy that is hell-bent on complete destruction of liberty?

If malaise takes us down, we deserve it.

 

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Of course with your rational, England won and the Civil war was just the two opposing factions dealing with growing pains.
I`ll bet if you could find a newspaper from England, circa; 1770, they were using the term Revolutionist, in the same way Insurgent is being used today to describe the people who are willing to die in a fight against an INVADING FORCE, in THEIR country.
Something about history eludes AMERICANS...

 

You know, you just can't change some peoples minds. They can twist any rational comment to benefit themselves. You constantly "put down" the American forces and yet claim to be a vet. Yet you can't even get the Gulf War invasion country correct. Then you just comment as "what ever". I remember when the Gulf War started we had those "I never joined the service to fight a war......" I never net one, but I think I have found one. You need to take "your" blinders off. You might want to take a close look at whats around that next corner.

No president can force a company to build refineries. No company is going to. Milk is getting high, guess he should also force cows to reproduce more often.

Another thread that I will never visit.

 

The insurgency in Iraq has very little in common with the militia in the US in response to the British invasion of the colonies. The "insurgents" in Iraq are mostly extremists from other countries that have come to kill Americans and any Iraqis who either support us or just happen to be in the vicinity of a roadside or marketplace bomb. They force Iraqi citizens to leave their homes in the middle of the night so they can set up a bomb factory, or they capture the men of the family and force them into being suicide attackers under the threat of death for the rest of their family. The use of the term "insurgents" is a tactic by the liberal media to spread the idea that these people are "freedom fighters" who are just trying to live in peace in their "own" country outside the influence of the US. This idea couldn't be further from the truth.

The Civil War in the US was two factions in a country experiencing not only growing pains but great internal strife as a result of major cultural upheaval. Despite what modern apologists would say, it was a matter of determining state's rights over national sovereignty, not abolition of slavery. The Union had slave states during the war, and the Confederacy was fighting what it viewed as the aggression and tyranny of the northern States who wanted complete control over all of the States.

 

Thank you.

 

True enough there, but the Confederacy also knew the Union wanted to abolish slavery as a matter of course like Britain did. This alone placed the economic livelihood of any slave holders in jeopardy.
Slave labor can pay off well compared to other traditional labor pools, so economic insecurity was a paramount force in getting the American Civil War going.
It almost always comes down to the money ...........

 

If America was invaded, not a couple planes into buildings, occupied by another country, you would be doing anything you could, including self sacrifice, to fight for the retreat of the invading force.
At least that`s what a real American would do. And if your property was needed for the cause, you would let it be used.
Wouldn`t you?????

 

It's not that simple BB...the society, customs, way of life is far different than in America. Can't even begin to compare American history to anything that has happened in the Middle East...just too different.


As Crafty rightfully noted, most of the attacks on American forces are foreigners who are being drawn like flies to Iraq for the chance to kill Americans. There are other fringe groups and remnants of the former Iraqi military forces(whatever happened to them? They just melted away without a fight remember?) but the people most responsible for the killings and murder of innocent civilians is Bin Ladens band of thugs......not your typical Iraqi fighting for his homeland.

Find some people who have spent some serious time over in the sandbox who actually have had their boots on the ground interacting with the Iraqi people.....you might be suprised on what you hear and how different it might sound from what the talking heads on network TV have been feeding you.


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