Now go to the same site and look at the "ratings" and find Toyota consistently higher. There is no way to honestly positively compare any Toyota with a Chevy on any metric except form. To try to do so would be naive and an insult to any one's intelligence. Especially when going back over a 10 year period.

When tallying complaints you have to realize also people have higher expectations for Toyotas and are more likely to complain about lesser issues. The Toyotas Service Manager has a tougher job than a Chevy Service Manager in as far as Customer expectations.

Now price an Extended Warranty (which I never buy on any car) on a 2 year old Toyota with 50K on it and the same class GM car. Although tgoyota parts are more expensive the EW will cost far less. .......Wonder why?

 

The issue is perpetuated by the left leaning press and the elitist and superficial Consumer Reports / NPR mentality.

When GM recalls a half a million cars, it's front page news. When Toyota does the same thing, it's buried on page 3 of the Business section.

Did Detroit churn out some crap in the 80's. Of course they did, but they got their act together and then some. Unless the difference is overwhelming, I'm buying an American car. I'm willing to even buy "second best" to support American jobs. My job depends on American jobs. People around the world support their own domestic products, even when they're crap. Well, ours aren't crap, and if Consumer Reports gives an extra star for the Kia because the cupholder was more conveniently located, I'm still buying the Chevy.

We didn't win WWII building tanks at converted US Hyundai factories with steel imported from China.

 

I never said GM didn't have issue's. Granted there still dealing with the Dexcool issue, I had this problem on my Grand Am. Rather then Fix the problem they redesigned a new v6.

You complain about how much you dislike Gm and Toyota this and that, Yet you know all the issue's GM had/have and yet you buy a HHR. If you don't like it go buy a Toyota. You sound like a Dam Toyota Saleman anyway.

What Mistermike said it 100% True. If its GM,Ford,Chrysler its on the front page if its Toyota,Nissan your lucky to find it in the paper.

I get so sick of people basically *****ing about how GM is Crap compared to Toyota or any other company. Guess what i don't care go buy what the hell you want and don't complain about it. Yet you complain about GM making Crap. Yet you bought a HHR.

 

By the way if the interest of quality and recalls are so important...why does Toyota only show their reports as only North american. Did you know that the reports released from GM are for Worldwide performance. Toyota never includes reports of the their worldwide instances. They fear for the reports to be less than what mainstream North America wants to hear. And they have been hiding this for years and years. Just ask your magazine editors what kind of info they receive.

 

There is no problem with Dex-Cool (not DEV-cool, genius) if the system is properly maintained. Most of the people who had Dex-Cool issues either mixed in the green coolant or let the coolant level get too low. GM has performed thousands of goodwill repairs on those vehicles and entered into a voluntary settlement with the class-action members. GM set out to reduce maintenance costs for consumers by using long-life coolant and some of those consumers just threw it back in their face with a frivolous lawsuit.

The "jamming ignitions" and "steering column issues" are hardly a popular problem and neither pose an immediate driving safety hazard. The steering shaft noise is just noise. It doesn't mean you're going to lose your steering, you just hear a noise. GM doesn't need to issue a recall if the problem is intermittent and does not affect the safety or reliability of EVERY vehicle in the fleet. I don't think anyone has reported the steering or key issues that haven't been addressed under warranty or goodwill, either.

It's also not surprising that Consumer Reports rated Toyota the highest over 10 years. When that's what most of your surveyed subscribers purchase, I think the pool is going to be a little weighted towards Toyota.

You've already made up your mind about what team you're supporting and arguing with you about it isn't going to change anything. I think you're kind of a crappy American if you don't have the desire to support the home team over people who don't pay taxes and support the communities we live in. I don't think you see the big picture of the disappearance of the middle class or the effect the loss of our heavy industrial base will have on our standing in the global economy. You are a short-sighted, ignorant narcissist just like everyone else in my generation, and I am through debating these subjects with you.

 

I bought the HHR because it was cheap. Eight months old Loaded for $10k off list? The previous owner took a drubbing.Yeah ok I'll bite.......Its not the first mistake I have made. I have since bought a Toyota and my next car will be a Honda. I will never buy American again. WHY? Because I think the CEOS are piss poor managers and the UAW are extortionists. Why would I want to put more money in that money pit?

Its not only Consumer reports its "common knowledge" Metrics are far better, more reliable. Except in Detroit or someone who is close to the US Auto Industry..

They refute that of course. Their livelihoods are at stake. How can they possibly agree. And the whole :they are better today argument went up in smoke when I had my Steering column replaced and the second set of rotors in less than 20K...Perhaps they have got better since 2006? LOL

 

Kingfrog....


Just wondering why you go to almost every thread that concerns foreign vs. domestic (or anything remotely related) to express your redundate opinion. I noticed you even 'dug up" older semi-dead threads to comment on. Isn't writing 3-4 paragraphs (usually well expressed, I will add) in one thread, stating your position enough??

I'm just wondering...not trying to start more debate. But I can't help but wonder what happened in your previous working life. Reviewing your posts gives one the impression you had some episode that made you very bitter.

 

Yea, Except when you Don't buy that car your not Hurting the CEO's all that much there still making there Million's your hurting the Blue Collar working who's actually doing the Work.

 

Well perhaps those workers should catch a clue and take hold of their own futures rather than allow extortionists to speak for them. I have no sympathy for sheeples who bite the hand that feeds them through a third party. They are just as culpable as management.

Pensioners drawing 50K a year plus benefits are doing nothing. I refuse to pay a premium for a car to support retired workers when I can pay a premium for a car where that money is actually put INTO the car while supporting and rewarding self motivated non union American Autoworkers right here at home as well. Win Win.. The whole patriotism thing is old.......I m supporting American workers buying products MADE by them in America. The UAW and American management can take a hike.

Design and engineering HAS to cut corners to build cars that compete with even more expensive cars to pay for all the benefits of unskilled labor. Let the Government take care of them. Thats what they voted for. They don't need my support. They have Washington now.

 

You Realize the Hourly Employee's have no say in what Management does. That goes for the Car companies and all the other Companies. The one's that sit in the office make the decision weather good or bad.