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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 01:00 PM
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But if we allow the government to take away Constitutional rights then we lose everything America stands for! That's more than just some stupid pieces of paper with outdated laws on them. That is the very meaning of this country! If we allow the loss of our Constitution rights then what’s next? The loss of the 13th amendment so there's a return to slavery, the loss of our 1st amendment so we all have to be Christian and can't speak our minds or the loss, of our 4th amendment so police and military could just bust into your house whenever they felt for whatever reason they feel like saying with no cause or evidence? Do you see where I'm going with this? And who is to choose what rights to take away and what ones we should keep? I guess you have to be a true born American to understand and appreciate your Constitutional rights. I don’t own a gun nor do I want to but I’ll be damned if someone is going to take away my Constitutional rights in any form!
Do you know why they call them Amendments? Because the AMEND! They fix errors and omissions, and they themselves can be changed as the needs change.

The 2nd Amendment states quite clearly that the right to bear arms is based upon the need for a standing army (which the we did NOT have when we declared independence). Last time I checked, we now have and Army (and Navy, and AirForce and Marines) to protect us from foreign invaders... AND and National Guard for domestic operations.

Ironically the same people who have a problem with any infringement on the 2nd Amendment seem to have no problem with the "Warrantless Wire taps" the President authorized, and how it violates the 4th Amendment.
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by alien_sporez
Do you know why they call them Amendments? Because the AMEND! They make changes to errors and omissions, and they themselves can be changed as the needs change.

The 2nd Amendment states quite clearly that the right to bear arms is based upon the need for a standing army (which the we did NOT have when we declared independence). Last time I checked, we now have and Army (and Navy, and AirForce and Marines) to protect us from foreign invaders... AND and National Guard for domestic operations.

Ironically you probably don't have a problem with the "Warrantless Wire taps" the President authorized, and how it violates the 4th Amendment.
Yes they amended it and it is now part of law so they can't take it away. If foreign enemies did invade (which I don't think will happen in our lifetimes) wouldn't you feel safer if you did have a gun to protect your family and yourself? Don't make assumptions because I definitely don't agree with the government invading anyone’s privacy and I'm no friend of the Bush administration. I'm a Constitutionalist. Like I said it is something you will never understand. Those laws mean everything to me. I do think there are too many guns plus too many crazy people and criminals with guns but I refuse to let anyone take away my Constitutional rights. All the people that died for our country's Constitution would be in vain if we started giving up those rights. I don't expect you to be able to comprehend that though.
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 01:29 PM
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good ol texas justice....

the texas leg. passed and i believe the govnuh approved the texas lethal force law....gives us citizens the right to shoot and kill

gotta love texas

last time anything like ther virg tech thing happened here was in the 60s when charles whitman was on top of UT tower...

maybe something works in texas
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by alien_sporez
Do you know why they call them Amendments? Because the AMEND! They fix errors and omissions, and they themselves can be changed as the needs change.
Close, An amendment is a change to the constitution of a nation or a state. Nothing to do with errors or omissions.

Originally Posted by alien_sporez
The 2nd Amendment states quite clearly that the right to bear arms is based upon the need for a standing army (which the we did NOT have when we declared independence). Last time I checked, we now have and Army (and Navy, and AirForce and Marines) to protect us from foreign invaders... AND and National Guard for domestic operations.
Again, close, but incomplete.

Amendment II (the Second Amendment) of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, declares the necessity for "a well regulated militia", and prohibits infringement of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms."

That "and" makes it totally different.

Originally Posted by alien_sporez
Ironically the same people who have a problem with any infringement on the 2nd Amendment seem to have no problem with the "Warrantless Wire taps" the President authorized, and how it violates the 4th Amendment.
Personally, considering the reason this went in effect, I have absolutly no problem with it. If you think the government is listening to you talk on the phone, then you must have something to hide. Hince the reason I have no problems with it.


You cut off one "right", where does it end? Killed speeding or DUI, ban cars/alcohol? Dies of a heart attack due to being over weight? Do you ban McDonalds or sue Golds Gym (one got him fat the other did take it back off)? Think rap music causes violence, ban it? At what point does it end? You want to have it changed, submit it. Convince the boys on the hill to change it. Then you can at least complain about it. I have raised arms to defend this country. I also enjoy the fact that I have arms at home. Would I defend it? You bet. You break in, I won't have to worry about being sued by you......
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 02:28 PM
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hmm well thats what makes me American I have an opinion and I can speek it thats why my husband surves my country everyday, so that I can speek my mind on this issue, ugly American maybe but then again thats your opinion
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by alien_sporez
Do you know why they call them Amendments? Because the AMEND! They fix errors and omissions, and they themselves can be changed as the needs change.

The 2nd Amendment states quite clearly that the right to bear arms is based upon the need for a standing army (which the we did NOT have when we declared independence). Last time I checked, we now have and Army (and Navy, and AirForce and Marines) to protect us from foreign invaders... AND and National Guard for domestic operations.

Ironically the same people who have a problem with any infringement on the 2nd Amendment seem to have no problem with the "Warrantless Wire taps" the President authorized, and how it violates the 4th Amendment.
Well, as we all have heard time and time again,it is somehow Bush's fault. If everybody believes they use wire taps to find out what kind of pizza you just ordered, you are a little paranoid. If you are concerned about somebody listening in to your conversation, then don't talk so loud on your cell phone. There are stipulations to the wire taping as that they tap calls into and out of the US, not your darn pizza order. Do you not understand how much can be discovered using this? What about the banks that were handling money for terrorists and others that might want to do Americans harm. Well, a wonderfull liberal blew the whistle on that one and they keep making it harding to protect this country.

Again, we all know it is Bush's fault...global warming, terrorism, gas prices, hurricanes, earthquakes, polar bear problems, my bad back, and if it wasn't for DNA, probably Anna Nicoles baby's daddy.

Imagine if there was a conceal and carry law in VA. First of all, only law abiding citizens go for these, second, I would love the story to read:"VA Tech shooter, kills 1 and then is killed by conceal and carry individual" I am guessing those of you with the gun control reasons would want the person who killed the guy brought up on murder charges. If I have my weapon, and something like this goes down, maybe I should wait and be shot so I don't offend anyone.

Wait, I could blame Bush and the media and liberal left would back to the death.
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TeverHHR
Well, as we all have heard time and time again,it is somehow Bush's fault. If everybody believes they use wire taps to find out what kind of pizza you just ordered, you are a little paranoid. If you are concerned about somebody listening in to your conversation, then don't talk so loud on your cell phone. There are stipulations to the wire taping as that they tap calls into and out of the US, not your darn pizza order. Do you not understand how much can be discovered using this? What about the banks that were handling money for terrorists and others that might want to do Americans harm. Well, a wonderfull liberal blew the whistle on that one and they keep making it harding to protect this country.

Again, we all know it is Bush's fault...global warming, terrorism, gas prices, hurricanes, earthquakes, polar bear problems, my bad back, and if it wasn't for DNA, probably Anna Nicoles baby's daddy.

Imagine if there was a conceal and carry law in VA. First of all, only law abiding citizens go for these, second, I would love the story to read:"VA Tech shooter, kills 1 and then is killed by conceal and carry individual" I am guessing those of you with the gun control reasons would want the person who killed the guy brought up on murder charges. If I have my weapon, and something like this goes down, maybe I should wait and be shot so I don't offend anyone.

Wait, I could blame Bush and the media and liberal left would back to the death.


Very well said!


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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:36 PM
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Personally, considering the reason this went in effect, I have absolutly no problem with it. If you think the government is listening to you talk on the phone, then you must have something to hide. Hince the reason I have no problems with it.
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Ok. Post up your address. If you have nothing to hide, then you'll agree to allow me, or anyone on this board, to come over to your house and search your things. My brother-in-law is a cop in Greenville, SC. I'll ask him swing by.

If you say no, then you must have something to hide.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TeverHHR
Imagine if there was a conceal and carry law in VA. First of all, only law abiding citizens go for these, second, I would love the story to read:"VA Tech shooter, kills 1 and then is killed by conceal and carry individual" I am guessing those of you with the gun control reasons would want the person who killed the guy brought up on murder charges. If I have my weapon, and something like this goes down, maybe I should wait and be shot so I don't offend anyone.

Wait, I could blame Bush and the media and liberal left would back to the death.
There is a conceal and carry law in VA. The University of Virginia Tech does not allow those who have concealed weapons permits (Except Law Enforcement) to have weapons on the campus. I bet some due anyway. Would it have helped? I guess we will never know!
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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There is a conceal and carry law in VA. The University of Virginia Tech does not allow those who have concealed weapons permits (Except Law Enforcement) to have weapons on the campus. I bet some due anyway. Would it have helped? I guess we will never know!

I glad to hear they do have one. But unfortunatley, like here in Ohio, you actually can't carry it anywhere since every business has signs saying you can't have them there.

If it were me, I would much rather have a fighting chance than sitting under a desk waiting to get shot.



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