View Poll Results: Do you support the war in Iraq?
Yes
120
50.85%
No
116
49.15%
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War in Iraq
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Joined: 01-31-2007
Posts: 2,479
From: New Hampsha
I meant the dolts in Congress..for the record it really doesn't matter if people are protesting in Europe. They protest anything the US does, good or bad in their eues and 99% of the time they think it's bad. How soon they forget
You gotta be kidding me
False patriotism? Sort of painting everyone with a pretty broad brush aren't you?
Hey I'm not a cheerleader with blinders on..I recognize there are problems but cut and run isn't the answer. You are right...the sheep may follow which ever way the wind blows....now the "popular" theme is to pull out the stops and throw out the baby with the bath water...whatever. Good thing popular opinion doesn't set US policy
Goose
You gotta be kidding me
False patriotism? Sort of painting everyone with a pretty broad brush aren't you? Hey I'm not a cheerleader with blinders on..I recognize there are problems but cut and run isn't the answer. You are right...the sheep may follow which ever way the wind blows....now the "popular" theme is to pull out the stops and throw out the baby with the bath water...whatever. Good thing popular opinion doesn't set US policy
Goose
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Joined: 07-16-2006
Posts: 16
From: Oregon
So how many more have to die to support a moronic policy?
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Joined: 06-03-2006
Posts: 122
From: Tennessee
I voted no. I might have supported the war IF it had been for the reasons we were told but instead it is all about OIL. I don't believe there is anything short of blowing that part of the world completely off the map that will create peace there. I think it is time for us to concentrate on solving our own problems rather than trying to shove our beliefs and way of life down everyone's throats.
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Joined: 06-03-2006
Posts: 122
From: Tennessee
I agree with you on this one, I do support our troops and always will. I also feel qualified to speak as the widow of a Viet Nam vet who lived for 29 years in a wheelchair as a paraplegic, 100% service connected disability. I am happy to see that this country is NOT treating Iraq vets the way they did the Viet Nam vets.
I honestly believe there is no solution. 
No matter what we do to end terrorism it will always exist. I personally think we should change our foreign policy. We should stop interfering in countries with known terrorist activity and definitely stop backing military actions and taking sides in said countries. The whole Middle East is too much of a mess for us to waste our time, resources, and lives on. No matter how much we interfere nothing changes but the US doesn't seem to realize that. I feel that most of our dabbling in the Middle East is for economic reasons and personal interest that are beyond what the media reports.
No matter what we do to end terrorism it will always exist. I personally think we should change our foreign policy. We should stop interfering in countries with known terrorist activity and definitely stop backing military actions and taking sides in said countries. The whole Middle East is too much of a mess for us to waste our time, resources, and lives on. No matter how much we interfere nothing changes but the US doesn't seem to realize that. I feel that most of our dabbling in the Middle East is for economic reasons and personal interest that are beyond what the media reports.
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Joined: 06-03-2006
Posts: 122
From: Tennessee
This is a great post and really does sum up many of my own feelings. I believe he needed to be dealt with too, but we needed to finish what we started in Afghanistan first. The way this was done it really looks like the whole thing was a ploy to go after Sadam (or however you spell it), get the people to ok a war and then move it to where we really wanted it in the first place. We have been lied to so many times by this administration that I can't believe anything they say and that is a sad sad thing to say about your own government.
I also still believe that if that part of the world didn't have oil that our oil companies wanted we would have never lifted a finger. Our troops are doing their job, they are doing what they are told to do and what they have to do to make a living.
I also still believe that if that part of the world didn't have oil that our oil companies wanted we would have never lifted a finger. Our troops are doing their job, they are doing what they are told to do and what they have to do to make a living.
I wish there was an option of maybe I support it, or sometimes 
I did vote no. Guess comming from a vet that sounds funny. At the start I was behind everything that had to do with taking that SOB out of power. Over time after the truth about did he have WMD came out and still nothing has ever been found I started thingking maybe we jumped the gun. I was very happy to see him out of power and sitting in jail. As the death toll has climed I felt it was time to get the troops out. On the same thought I know since we started something we need to do are best to finish it and do it right. So sometime I think we need to stay and get the place back on track.
I do think that he had the will and means to get the WMD's at some time and may have used them agaisnt us. IF he didnt her would have sold them to someone who would have used them. So he did need to leave.
I think we took on to much at one time. We should have first put everything into finding the other SOB in the caves since that is what this war was based on, and how it all started. Once we found him then move into getting Saddam taken care of, if he kept(and I know he would have) acting up.
As far as the men and women over their doing their job you have to stand behind them. Many of them did not ask to go over and do this, they do so because it is their job and they are told to do this. Just like the first gulf war. I did not want to go over there, but I knew that at some time I could be sent over to fight in some war. Many of the people serving may feel the same way. Just because they are fighting in what may be an unpopular war doe not mean you should turn your back on the troops. Just remember that those you turn your back on because you dont like the war could the same ones who will have your back if the USA was ever attacked, or invaded.
Sorry off the soap box on that, back the the topic, No I no longer support the idea of us being over the fighting but know we need to finish it.
See why I needed other choices.
I did vote no. Guess comming from a vet that sounds funny. At the start I was behind everything that had to do with taking that SOB out of power. Over time after the truth about did he have WMD came out and still nothing has ever been found I started thingking maybe we jumped the gun. I was very happy to see him out of power and sitting in jail. As the death toll has climed I felt it was time to get the troops out. On the same thought I know since we started something we need to do are best to finish it and do it right. So sometime I think we need to stay and get the place back on track.
I do think that he had the will and means to get the WMD's at some time and may have used them agaisnt us. IF he didnt her would have sold them to someone who would have used them. So he did need to leave.
I think we took on to much at one time. We should have first put everything into finding the other SOB in the caves since that is what this war was based on, and how it all started. Once we found him then move into getting Saddam taken care of, if he kept(and I know he would have) acting up.
As far as the men and women over their doing their job you have to stand behind them. Many of them did not ask to go over and do this, they do so because it is their job and they are told to do this. Just like the first gulf war. I did not want to go over there, but I knew that at some time I could be sent over to fight in some war. Many of the people serving may feel the same way. Just because they are fighting in what may be an unpopular war doe not mean you should turn your back on the troops. Just remember that those you turn your back on because you dont like the war could the same ones who will have your back if the USA was ever attacked, or invaded.
Sorry off the soap box on that, back the the topic, No I no longer support the idea of us being over the fighting but know we need to finish it.
See why I needed other choices.
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Joined: 03-10-2007
Posts: 211
From: Ottawa, Ontario
Perhaps I am alone in this, but while I am against the war I realize that the US and Britain must stay. The invasion of Iraq was ill-conceived and done for - what turned out to be - the wrong reasons. Did CSIS know something that the CIA and MI5 didn't? If the reasons for war were so clear wouldn't Canada have participated just like we have in Desert Storm, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and countless other missions?
If you can't convince your closest Allies as to the importance of a mission, it shouldn't be carried out. That was something Robert McNamara (Secretary of Defence for JFK and LBJ) said in relation to the Vietnam War in the documentary Fog of War. Can this be applied to the Iraq War?
In a few years the US will only be part of the mission in Iraq. I'm sure there will come a point in time where it will become a UN mission and peacekeepers from around the globe will step in and be part of the solution in Iraq. A solution that will, in no doubt, take many years and many lives to accomplish.
The price paid...will it be worth it? I sure hope so.
If you can't convince your closest Allies as to the importance of a mission, it shouldn't be carried out. That was something Robert McNamara (Secretary of Defence for JFK and LBJ) said in relation to the Vietnam War in the documentary Fog of War. Can this be applied to the Iraq War?
In a few years the US will only be part of the mission in Iraq. I'm sure there will come a point in time where it will become a UN mission and peacekeepers from around the globe will step in and be part of the solution in Iraq. A solution that will, in no doubt, take many years and many lives to accomplish.
The price paid...will it be worth it? I sure hope so.
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Joined: 06-03-2006
Posts: 122
From: Tennessee
Iraq was never a threat to the US on it's own, it should have been dealt with the first time we were there instead of us slapping hands and saying no no must not do this. There are other countries that CAN bring the war to US soil and who just might if we don't start paying attention. Too many people are following blindly and believing everything they are told instead of looking at everything and making up their own minds, too many people on all sides.
I didn't mean to make fun of you but I see "bring it to them before they bring it to us" as illogical. I'm rational enough to realize that 9/11 or other terrorist attacks over recent years has nothing to do with the current war in Iraq, that Iraq is no eminent threat to the US, that Iraq can't "bring it to us", that there are many ulterior motives behind this war that the public is unaware of, that we are just wasting lives and resources on a pointless idiotic war, and that history is repeating itself to the point of this current war becoming a second Vietnam. Like I said before we can nuke Iraq along with the whole Middle East and it won't end terrorism. There is no end or solution to terrorism. As long as there are opposing thoughts and extremest willing to kill and die for their cause there will always be terrorism. You can't blame the Middle East for terrorism. Everyone seems to forget the deadliest terrorist attack on US soil before 9/11 was committed by fellow American Timothy McVeigh. What about all the other American terrorist? I can count at least 30 major terrorist that were breed right here in the good old US of A and several organizations that were also breed here. Does that mean someone should invade us over some stupid war on terror? I'll say it until the end......OUR CURRENT WAR ON TERROR IS COMPLETE PROPAGANDA BS! I really wanted to see what the other side that support the wars responses in a hope for better understanding but now they are getting too Rambo or just plain ridiculous. It's like I'm listening to Rush Limbaugh or having a discussion with my hardcore right wing republican buddy Scott that backs every single decision Bush makes like it's the word of god. 
Once again like I said before Americans have lost objectivity of the war in Iraq. 
Once again like I said before Americans have lost objectivity of the war in Iraq.
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Joined: 06-03-2006
Posts: 122
From: Tennessee
No you're not alone, of course we have to stay for now and try to clean up as much of our mess as we can. The problem now is that our presence is causing more problems than it is helping, there is nothing we can do in a civil war. We have to figure out a way to get out without creating a bigger problem but still let the Iraqi people work out their own internal problems. I don't pretend to know the answers I just know something different needs to be done than what is being done right now. We all need to try to put ourselves in their shoes from time to time and think about how we would react if they were here trying to force us to change OUR ways. There is always more than one side to everything and rarely if ever only one right and one wrong.
Perhaps I am alone in this, but while I am against the war I realize that the US and Britain must stay. The invasion of Iraq was ill-conceived and done for - what turned out to be - the wrong reasons. Did CSIS know something that the CIA and MI5 didn't? If the reasons for war were so clear wouldn't Canada have participated just like we have in Desert Storm, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and countless other missions?
If you can't convince your closest Allies as to the importance of a mission, it shouldn't be carried out. That was something Robert McNamara (Secretary of Defence for JFK and LBJ) said in relation to the Vietnam War in the documentary Fog of War. Can this be applied to the Iraq War?
In a few years the US will only be part of the mission in Iraq. I'm sure there will come a point in time where it will become a UN mission and peacekeepers from around the globe will step in and be part of the solution in Iraq. A solution that will, in no doubt, take many years and many lives to accomplish.
The price paid...will it be worth it? I sure hope so.
If you can't convince your closest Allies as to the importance of a mission, it shouldn't be carried out. That was something Robert McNamara (Secretary of Defence for JFK and LBJ) said in relation to the Vietnam War in the documentary Fog of War. Can this be applied to the Iraq War?
In a few years the US will only be part of the mission in Iraq. I'm sure there will come a point in time where it will become a UN mission and peacekeepers from around the globe will step in and be part of the solution in Iraq. A solution that will, in no doubt, take many years and many lives to accomplish.
The price paid...will it be worth it? I sure hope so.
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Joined: 03-15-2007
Posts: 125
From: Homer Glen
You need to do some WW2 research. There is a huge difference between WW2 and this BS in Iraq. The difference is like night and day and it has nothing to do with times changing. Our entering WW2 had nothing to do with Hitler’s treatment of the Jews. If you look back at all the reasons for WW2 Hitler’s treatment of the Jews isn't even on the list. 
We didn't fight WW2 to save Germany's people from themselves. Really bad comparison. 
Saddam and Hitler are nowhere near the same league. Saddam committed genocide but he doesn't even hold a candle to Hitler. How much of Europe did Saddam conquer? 
I don't think you'll change anyone’s mind giving illogical comparisons like that.
If you look back at all the reasons for WW2 Hitler’s treatment of the Jews isn't even on the list. We didn't fight WW2 to save Germany's people from themselves. Really bad comparison. Saddam and Hitler are nowhere near the same league. Saddam committed genocide but he doesn't even hold a candle to Hitler. How much of Europe did Saddam conquer? I don't think you'll change anyone’s mind giving illogical comparisons like that. 
