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Old May 28, 2008 | 02:37 PM
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How about this testing of various sythetics and synthetic blends:

http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf

Royal Purple seems to have massively out performed all but one other tested oil, based on wear scar tests.
Old May 28, 2008 | 09:20 PM
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Well I just picked up 5 qts of RP that is on closeout at Auto Zone for .99 cents a piece...2 weeks ago it was selling for 7.29 a quart so a nice savings. Honest Blues ran RP in his HHR and loved it

Worth a shot for 5 bucks I guess




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Old May 28, 2008 | 09:25 PM
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I wonder if the Wix mad in South Korea is the same as the 9018 Supertech from Wally World...the ST used to made in Bulgaria, same as the Fram 9018 (twins, same factory it appears) but now the ST9018 is made in Korea and comes with a gasket

btw, how often you guys change that gasket on the oil filter cover ?



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Old May 29, 2008 | 10:20 AM
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This test does not show Amsoil, the inventor and leader in synthetic technology, also didn't see Redline either ( for those that hold Amsoil in contempt for their marketing technique)
Old May 29, 2008 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Lone Ranger
How about this testing of various sythetics and synthetic blends:

http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf

Royal Purple seems to have massively out performed all but one other tested oil, based on wear scar tests.
Definately not an accurate test for testing how an oil performs in a motor.

It is very hard for a test like this to simulate running conditions, you really need to run the oil for 5 to 10,000 klms then carry out ppm for oil condition and Filtergram wear metal analysis. Then change to the next oil and run under the same conditions then you have a real test. If you compare the results of the 3 Filtergrams on page 2 of this post, that is a real indication of wear sustained over a distance. Things like heat and contamination (the biggest killer of any machine) take there toll in real situations that don’t show up in lab tests.
you are right this test has very little to do with oil performance and should never have been published, we also entered the metric system 40 years ago! The primary role of lubrication is to keep parts apart and maintain oil integrity, not see what happens when metal to metal takes place, a symptom of some other problem...

Testing to reveal actual oil performance would have been beneficial, this may involve: testing oil chemical and physical properties , inspection (microscopic particle examination) of oil debris for wear modes/indicators and testing oil cleanliness to established ISO standards. These are the true tests of oil/machine performance.

For our application the best thing you can do is to use the correct viscosity (quality stable oil, may or may not be synth) and change out the oil regularly. We do not change oil out because it has 'broken down', we change it out to remove normal wear debris, the oil chemical and physical properties at this point should still be good.

so long life oils may hold there spec (synth for eg.) but you are still pumping all that wear debris through your bearings!!

BTW oils that 'polish' or chemically etch components when put through studies of MPE and ISO cleanliness can actually initially create a lot of wear debris before the ISO codes settle down.. go figure.
you can read more here:
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=792653

Both the magazine article and this forum are Austrailian. And I never put faith in any "comparision" article a magazine puts out that has sponsors. Anyone remember CR and Toyota?
Old May 29, 2008 | 03:52 PM
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Okay, well I thought it looked interesting though.
Old May 29, 2008 | 06:25 PM
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It was interesting, Lone Ranger. But I also noticed a couple of exclusionary points.

You know, you (generically) can post all the simulated tests and analysis' that are available, but the true test on worthiness of an oil, is the tear-down, measurement and analysis of the engine components. Of course, this is after the engine is driven more than 10 miles.

But regardless, information and data COLLECTIVELY, is useful.
Old Aug 2, 2008 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by solman98
Have a beer.
Thanks for the write-up... but one correction. Shouldn't the above be at the beginning of the procedure as well?
Old Aug 8, 2008 | 05:07 PM
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The only question that comes to mind about the oil change is:
If I have a Factory Warrantee, and I bought an extended warrantee, will changing my oil void them?

Thanks,
Matt
Old Aug 8, 2008 | 06:44 PM
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Just keep receipts, record mileage, don't lose and don't worry about it.

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