Finally got fed up, End links are off!
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Joined: 09-04-2009
Posts: 86
From: Moab, UT
I see and hear all the time how this or that doesn't make sense or doesn't affect so and so. They don't have it or have removed it so what is the big deal? Well nothing really, but I'm really glad I live clear across the country from you. It's really great that you are so much more knowledgeable than the engineers who designed the system that you disconnected. Just stay as far away from me as is humanly possible. When (not if) you get in a wreck it is extremely likely your vehicle will be checked, and when it is determined your sway bar has been intentionally disconnected you will likely be paying for it for the rest of your life, providing you are still alive, there is nothing I want more than to spend the remainder of my life giving every penny to someone else and living in a tent. Do whatever you want, but telling everyone on a publicly viewable website is about the stupidist thing possible. Kind of goes right along with those who post compromising photos. You have no idea what someone else may do, and now all of the incriminating evidence is out there in the cloud. What you do now may seem OK but there will likely be an unforseeable point in the future where it will not, especially in today's society.
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Joined: 09-10-2009
Posts: 170
From: Durham
You are joking right? You might want to peruse the TSBs for the HHR sometime. The same engineers that designed the tab that holds the sunroof deflector on? The same engineers that designed the clunky-ass end-links in the first place? The same engineers that designed the passenger side so it would leak like crazy? Yeah I don't think using the cracker jacks that designed the HHR in your argument is necessarily a good one this time 
Regardless I will follow the advice of a friend of mine.
"Arguing on the internet is stupid. Even if you win you are still a moron".
Good day.
Regardless I will follow the advice of a friend of mine.
"Arguing on the internet is stupid. Even if you win you are still a moron".
Good day.
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Joined: 07-17-2006
Posts: 6,053
From: Dallas, GA
You are joking right? You might want to peruse the TSBs for the HHR sometime. The same engineers that designed the tab that holds the sunroof deflector on? The same engineers that designed the clunky-ass end-links in the first place? The same engineers that designed the passenger side so it would leak like crazy? Yeah I don't think using the cracker jacks that designed the HHR in your argument is necessarily a good one this time
Regardless I will follow the advice of a friend of mine.
"Arguing on the internet is stupid. Even if you win you are still a moron".
Good day.
Regardless I will follow the advice of a friend of mine.
"Arguing on the internet is stupid. Even if you win you are still a moron".
Good day.
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Joined: 04-09-2006
Posts: 7,043
From: Vancouver, BC, Canada
: at low speeds, the bumps we hit are in essence further apart in time - meaning that the suspension pivots are not under load for a longer duration of time than at high speed. Call it "slop time".It is the transitition from being under no-load to a loaded condition that the free-play "slop" becomes apparent and generates the noise. At higher speeds, the "duration" of the no-load is shortened and the "slop time" is also shortened. If the "slop time" duration is shortened, the rattle we hear gets hidden, with the faster and "constant" movement of the sway bar.
Hummmm.......... well maybe that isn't a great explanation but it works for me.
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Joined: 10-21-2008
Posts: 1,831
From: hemet, calif.
Now that is hard to put into words - but will try : at low speeds, the bumps we hit are in essence further apart in time - meaning that the suspension pivots are not under load for a longer duration of time than at high speed. Call it "slop time".
It is the transitition from being under no-load to a loaded condition that the free-play "slop" becomes apparent and generates the noise. At higher speeds, the "duration" of the no-load is shortened and the "slop time" is also shortened. If the "slop time" duration is shortened, the rattle we hear gets hidden, with the faster and "constant" movement of the sway bar.
Hummmm.......... well maybe that isn't a great explanation but it works for me.
: at low speeds, the bumps we hit are in essence further apart in time - meaning that the suspension pivots are not under load for a longer duration of time than at high speed. Call it "slop time".It is the transitition from being under no-load to a loaded condition that the free-play "slop" becomes apparent and generates the noise. At higher speeds, the "duration" of the no-load is shortened and the "slop time" is also shortened. If the "slop time" duration is shortened, the rattle we hear gets hidden, with the faster and "constant" movement of the sway bar.
Hummmm.......... well maybe that isn't a great explanation but it works for me.
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Joined: 10-21-2008
Posts: 1,831
From: hemet, calif.
rubber bushings.
many years ago when I was 16 years old or young I worked one day at truck stop in the lub pit I had the job of spraying the leaf springs and all the rubber bushings with a penetrating oil, how come Chevy doesnt have any mention of doing this with the rubbber link bushings would this extend their life?
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Joined: 01-10-2008
Posts: 681
From: NJ
many years ago when I was 16 years old or young I worked one day at truck stop in the lub pit I had the job of spraying the leaf springs and all the rubber bushings with a penetrating oil, how come Chevy doesnt have any mention of doing this with the rubbber link bushings would this extend their life?
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Joined: 10-21-2008
Posts: 1,831
From: hemet, calif.
I tried the Moog End Link on the driver side, but had a problem with the other one so I just put the old OEM one back on. The noise got progressively worse. I have now fixed the the passenger side Moog, and I have picked up new sway bar bushings but before I went through the hassle of fixing it I decided to just take the end links off entirely.
I know some people said it would handle like crap, etc, but I haven't been able to tell a difference. The one thing I can tell is its dead quiet now, HOORAYYY!!!!.
I live in the city, so there aren't a lot of curves(pretty much none to be exact) but guess what we do have a lot of? Bad Roads and Bumps. I will take some minor body roll to the incessant clunking sound that I was suffering with every day.
Clunking started about 2 months after I bought it. Ahhhh to have a quiet ride again. I haven't felt this good since I bought the car 12 months ago
I will see how it goes I might not ever put them back on. So here is a question, would there be any benefit to adding a rear sway bar? It doesn't have any end links, it bolts right to the frame so there's nothing that can clunk :)
I told my wife that people said the handling might be affected by taking it off...I told her those people had just been spoiled with better cars for too long, lol. For those of you who can tell a difference you have to consider what I use to drive. Pictured below.
I know some people said it would handle like crap, etc, but I haven't been able to tell a difference. The one thing I can tell is its dead quiet now, HOORAYYY!!!!.
I live in the city, so there aren't a lot of curves(pretty much none to be exact) but guess what we do have a lot of? Bad Roads and Bumps. I will take some minor body roll to the incessant clunking sound that I was suffering with every day.
Clunking started about 2 months after I bought it. Ahhhh to have a quiet ride again. I haven't felt this good since I bought the car 12 months ago
I will see how it goes I might not ever put them back on. So here is a question, would there be any benefit to adding a rear sway bar? It doesn't have any end links, it bolts right to the frame so there's nothing that can clunk :)
I told my wife that people said the handling might be affected by taking it off...I told her those people had just been spoiled with better cars for too long, lol. For those of you who can tell a difference you have to consider what I use to drive. Pictured below.