Problems/Service/Repairs If you have a problem with your HHR, want a tip on repairing or performing a particular service to you HHR here is the place to post!

Gauges and TCM issues.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-09-2019, 01:40 PM
  #31  
Technical Moderator
 
donbrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-23-2009
Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia
Posts: 24,693
it says 2 120 ohm terminators so if one is out of circuit it would read 120 if both are in circuit then 60.

donbrew is offline  
Old 07-09-2019, 07:38 PM
  #32  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Lake Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-08-2008
Location: Lacombe, LA
Posts: 131
I checked the CAN bus resistance with the battery disconnected.
The two resistors are in parallel , therefore you divide the two values and get 60 ohms. If in series, you would add the values.
I did a 10 minute road test this evening and check the battery voltage after 20 minutes and got 12.5 volts.I think this battery is going back this weekend and being replaced with a different brand.
Lake Runner is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 07:35 AM
  #33  
Administrator
 
Oldblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: 10-13-2011
Location: Welland,Ont Canada
Posts: 36,512
Another dead battery, but it’s how old ?
Oldblue is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 09:28 AM
  #34  
Senior Member
 
Cat Man HHR's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-03-2010
Location: Lake Ronkonkoma, N.Y.
Posts: 3,564
Originally Posted by Lake Runner
I checked the CAN bus resistance with the battery disconnected.
The two resistors are in parallel , therefore you divide the two values and get 60 ohms. If in series, you would add the values..
This is interesting.
I get a code U0073 or U0100 when it is hot out and the windows are closed in the car. This is a random thing.
When I get in I have to open the windows that's how hot it can feel inside.
I haven't measured the values of the Can bus at the ODB port when this happens because of the pain to disconnect the battery.
When you originally tested the two wires at the port did you see a resistance value different than when the battery was not disconnected ?
Cat Man HHR is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 12:24 PM
  #35  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Lake Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-08-2008
Location: Lacombe, LA
Posts: 131
Originally Posted by Oldblue
Another dead battery, but it’s how old ?
The battery was purchased on 6/16/19. I saw reviews for all the Sam's Club batteries, but this size 47 had zero, hmm? My previous battery was a Diehard Gold that was 7 1/2 years old.
Not bad life for a Diehard, the one in my Jeep was 9 years old.
Lake Runner is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 12:27 PM
  #36  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Lake Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-08-2008
Location: Lacombe, LA
Posts: 131
Originally Posted by Cat Man HHR
This is interesting.
I get a code U0073 or U0100 when it is hot out and the windows are closed in the car. This is a random thing.
When I get in I have to open the windows that's how hot it can feel inside.
I haven't measured the values of the Can bus at the ODB port when this happens because of the pain to disconnect the battery.
When you originally tested the two wires at the port did you see a resistance value different than when the battery was not disconnected ?
I tested the resistance with the battery disconnected, as there is voltage at these point when it is.
Lake Runner is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 01:14 PM
  #37  
Technical Moderator
 
donbrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-23-2009
Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia
Posts: 24,693
This explains the observed voltages. The actual readable voltage on the wires is not important since it is a digital circuit. The voltage is constantly changing so fast that you can't observe it.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus (guaranteed to make your eyes glaze over)

High speed CAN signaling drives the CAN high wire towards 5 V and the CAN low wire towards 0 V when transmitting a dominant (0), and does not drive either wire when transmitting a recessive (1). Designating "0" as dominant gives the nodes with the lower ID numbers priority on the bus. The dominant differential voltage is a nominal 2 V. The termination resistor passively returns the two wires to a nominal differential voltage of 0 V. The dominant common mode voltage must be within 1.5 to 3.5 V of common and the recessive common mode voltage must be within +/-12 of common.
donbrew is offline  
Old 07-12-2019, 07:53 AM
  #38  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Lake Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-08-2008
Location: Lacombe, LA
Posts: 131
About 35 miles accumulated since I cleaned the front wheel speed sensors and no issues. Drove the car for 16 miles last night with a scanner monitoring OBD2 and ABS functions. All wheel sensors in sync and no abnormal operating conditions. I will do a 40 mile test this weekend after the storm passes..
Lake Runner is offline  
Old 07-15-2019, 07:33 PM
  #39  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Lake Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-08-2008
Location: Lacombe, LA
Posts: 131
Well, I drove the car to and from work today (90 miles of city and highway ) with no issues. I hope cleaning the speed sensor connectors were the answer.
Lake Runner is offline  
Old 07-16-2019, 08:14 AM
  #40  
Administrator
 
Oldblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: 10-13-2011
Location: Welland,Ont Canada
Posts: 36,512
Fingers crossed, enjoy the drive!
Oldblue is offline  


Quick Reply: Gauges and TCM issues.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:44 PM.