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P2101 with K&N Air Filter

Old Mar 8, 2010 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by labtec6
They were a dealership approximately 1700kms away. I just want the oil to stop entering my throttle body (and hopefully get my fuel economy back). Maybe I'll put one in again in the future, but not right now.
Glad they are not your primary one. I'm thinking you had a vacume line or something freeze somehow.
Old Mar 8, 2010 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by labtec6
You are right. The oil wasn't comming from the filter. It was engine oil. The oil was gumming up the throttle or sensor inside the throttle, but only briefly. GM said as long as I can stop and wait for a few minutes, I should be fine. But they suggested I stop using the K&N filter and just use a FRAM or other quality air filter. One of the mechanics I spoke to told me that, while they will fix a car that has a K&N air filter in it, they will cause problems, and absolutely hate them. If you fix your own car, pretty much, do whatever you want, but he wished that K&N and other oil-based filters would void warantees.

I didn't feel oil when touching the filter in my case. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to put in an oil-based filter again. I just want to find out what is going on with the oil in my throttle body. There is still a little bit of oil, but not like it was.
Take the filter and bang it against your hand. Did you get any oil on it? I've done that to new ones and got oil. GM's hate for the K&N is not unfounded. They don't filter as well as the paper filters (and once they are clogged up enough to filter as well they don't flow any better) and they mess up the mass. GM's had enough of it.

As for the oil messing up the position sensors, that's kinda weird. I didn't think any of that was exposed in the TB tract. GM actually said that they are or was it a dealer?
Old Mar 8, 2010 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by solman98
Glad they are not your primary one. I'm thinking you had a vacume line or something freeze somehow.
Saw them on my trip. My dealer is usually pretty good at fixing the problem at hand and skipping over any problem I don't tell them about. Pretty unfortunate.
Old Mar 8, 2010 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by terryk
Take the filter and bang it against your hand. Did you get any oil on it? I've done that to new ones and got oil. GM's hate for the K&N is not unfounded. They don't filter as well as the paper filters (and once they are clogged up enough to filter as well they don't flow any better) and they mess up the mass. GM's had enough of it.

As for the oil messing up the position sensors, that's kinda weird. I didn't think any of that was exposed in the TB tract. GM actually said that they are or was it a dealer?
I did bang it, rubbed the filter with a clean white cloth, and didn't get any oil on it. My MAF is still clean. No problems with it that I can tell.

More than one dealer has told me that oil getting into the throttle body can cause this problem. Probably causing the trottle to stick or drawing more power to move it, which is probably where the error is comming from. After it's "unstuck" the error code clears.
Old Mar 8, 2010 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by labtec6
I did bang it, rubbed the filter with a clean white cloth, and didn't get any oil on it. My MAF is still clean. No problems with it that I can tell.

More than one dealer has told me that oil getting into the throttle body can cause this problem. Probably causing the trottle to stick or drawing more power to move it, which is probably where the error is comming from. After it's "unstuck" the error code clears.
I'll have to remember that. On my LSx engines I didn't see how oil could get to the sensors. I learn something new every day! Thanks for the follow up.
Old Mar 8, 2010 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by labtec6
I did bang it, rubbed the filter with a clean white cloth, and didn't get any oil on it. My MAF is still clean. No problems with it that I can tell.

More than one dealer has told me that oil getting into the throttle body can cause this problem. Probably causing the trottle to stick or drawing more power to move it, which is probably where the error is comming from. After it's "unstuck" the error code clears.
too much blowby in the crankcase, oil is getting Past the piston rings and being sucked thru the hose, nothing to do with k&n WIERD STILL!!! good luck does not sound good tho!!!!
Old Mar 12, 2010 | 12:49 PM
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I'm not sure how to route one since I'm new to the Ecotec and LNF engines, but a catch can or an "air/oil separator" would help keep the oil out of the intake tract. I used one in my old car and that did wonders.

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