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Old Jun 23, 2014 | 09:15 AM
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Suggestions on what to check for a bit of intermittent rough running

I have a 2008 HHR LS with 130k. For about the last 40k or so, I consistently notice a bit of rough idle at times (maybe 200rpm or so dips), and when really stepping on the pedal up a long hill or such, the car hesitates a bit intermittently. I replaced the plugs at 95k, I replaced the coil packs about 30k ago due to the car losing power and literally jerking going up long hills (no cel- it fixed the problem though), and I replaced the upstream O2 sensor about 15k ago (bank 1 lean cel). I recently ran two tanks of Red line fuel cleaner and several tanks of Lucas through it. I never get a cel. I clean the air filter (k&n), intake, and maf sensor regularly. I can't figure out what else to check.

I'm thinking of replacing the injectors with the thought that one of them isn't spraying quite right. Any other ideas?
Old Jun 23, 2014 | 09:32 AM
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Fuel supply, throttle body dirty.

By bank 1 lean, do you mean "stuck lean", if so then #2 O2 sensor is suspect.
Old Jun 24, 2014 | 09:20 AM
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I forget the exact code, but it was for the upstream O2 sensor, and replacing it fixed the cel. I do need a better understanding of how to read fuel trims though and really understand what they mean. As for the throttle body, I spray it out with TB cleaner regularly.
Old Jun 24, 2014 | 10:00 AM
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Check the fuel pressure. May even relate to that O2 code. I am thinking fuel pump, filter is integral.
Old Jun 24, 2014 | 03:21 PM
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X2 what Don said!
Old Jun 24, 2014 | 09:13 PM
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I'll pick up a gauge tomorrow and see if I can dig up what the correct readings should be in the manual. I don't know what u mean by the "filter is integral" because as u know there is no fuel filter
Old Jun 24, 2014 | 09:44 PM
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There is a filter in the fuel pump.
Old Jun 24, 2014 | 11:44 PM
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There is a filter in the fuel pump.
That's the nice way of saying, clogged filter = fuel pump replacement.

Why GM decided to do away with serviceable fuel filters is a bit of a mystery, but most likely related to unit cost vs. failure rates in the field.
Old Jun 25, 2014 | 09:38 PM
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I didn't realize that there is a filter in with the fuel pump. Real nice GM.

I looked for a while through the service manual (electronic copy), and don't see where it says the fuel pressure should be 50-60psi like I am reading is supposed to be correct.

In reading the procedure, it says to have the engine off, ignition on, and use a scan tool to turn the pump on. I'm in the dark here. The things I read on the web in general say to check the pressure with the engine running. I have no idea what the service manual means when it says to use a scan tool to turn the pump on. Shouldn't there be a relay that you can manually jump to make the pump come on?
Old Jun 25, 2014 | 11:59 PM
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The service manual is referring to a Tech II scanner. I have read that same info in the service manual.
The Tech II is a service controller unit(for lack of a better term). It is not just a code scanner.



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